Pet vaccinations

[QuiteTheChin]

Vets do that to make money. They also advise you to put poison in the back of an animals neck every month and to vaccinate every year. All of this is to make money, Wake up!

What a ridiculous comment. Vets give pets those things to avoid preventable parasites, it’s not poison Do you really think every vet in the world has so little regard for animal’s welfare that they happily “poison” them to make money? Take your tinfoil hat off.

 

[Rosiex4]

If you want to vax, then do one round after 10 weeks. But not Leptospirosis 2 or 4. It’s too dangerous, and this country does not have a problem with Lepto, and it is treatable with antibiotics. Ask your vet how many actual cases of Lepto he or she has personally treated. Go to Novibac Lepto 4 Our Experiences FB Group for stories of how much damage this vax does. Maternal antibodies are usually present in puppies until approximately 16 weeks, possibly later. It’s best to titer first to see. Boosters are not needed, just titer. Titers can be low, which on,y means that the dog has not co e into contact with that particular disease recently.


Once a year vax is not and has never been needed. You’ve drunk the vet kool aid.. Titer your dog instead. Same with rabies, yearly or three yearly vax for that is not needed. Do you think vets vax themselves every year against rabies in the United States or other countries where it is present?

I'm grateful for the ignore button

 

[GlasgowGirl72]

Vets do that to make money. They also advise you to put poison in the back of an animals neck every month and to vaccinate every year. All of this is to make money, Wake up!

I hope that you never see an unvaccinated Puppy/Dog that’s ill & near death from Parvovirus/Distemper. Once a year Vaccination stops this suffering and so many needless deaths.
I really hope you have no if that’s your way of thinking a responsible Owner should be

 

[Ohnonotagain]

why wouldn't anyone want to vaccinate their pets if not just for peace of mind?? They are family and loved. The cost is worth it just for that reason alone

 

[GlasgowGirl72]

If you want to vax, then do one round after 10 weeks. But not Leptospirosis 2 or 4. It’s too dangerous, and this country does not have a problem with Lepto, and it is treatable with antibiotics. Ask your vet how many actual cases of Lepto he or she has personally treated. Go to Novibac Lepto 4 Our Experiences FB Group for stories of how much damage this vax does. Maternal antibodies are usually present in puppies until approximately 16 weeks, possibly later. It’s best to titer first to see. Boosters are not needed, just titer. Titers can be low, which on,y means that the dog has not co e into contact with that particular disease recently.


Once a year vax is not and has never been needed. You’ve drunk the vet kool aid.. Titer your dog instead. Same with rabies, yearly or three yearly vax for that is not needed. Do you think vets vax themselves every year against rabies in the United States or other countries where it is present?

It seems my years at University studying Veterinary Medicine then 19yrs as a Veterinary Nurse count for nothing!! Can I ask what qualifications you have in the Animal field? Is it the University of Life you received your Doctorate

I’m not ignoring you, that was someone else. I am a human immunologist. The above is not wrong, I agree that tests to show antibody titres are fine to prove immunity. That is not what I am referring to. You stated that you cannot boost immunity with vaccines which is not true. And now you have stated that you think animals should be exposed to the pathogens rather than be vaccinated against them, is that correct? I presume therefore you would be happy to be exposed to Ebola rather than receive the vaccine?

We have vaccines so we can become immune to diseases without the risk of illness and death. As it is an artificial process, some vaccines need to be repeated to ensure adequate immunity. Sure you can test titres first and if they are adequate there is no need for vaccination. You however seem to be saying there is no need to vaccinate, deworm or deflea animals at all which is absolutely incorrect and also extremely negligent.

And the goes to QuiteTheChin!!!!!!!

 

[QuiteTheChin]

I’m not ignoring you, that was someone else. I am a human immunologist. The above is not wrong, I agree that tests to show antibody titres are fine to prove immunity. That is not what I am referring to. You stated that you cannot boost immunity with vaccines which is not true. And now you have stated that you think animals should be exposed to the pathogens rather than be vaccinated against them, is that correct? I presume therefore you would be happy to be exposed to Ebola rather than receive the vaccine?

We have vaccines so we can become immune to diseases without the risk of illness and death. As it is an artificial process, some vaccines need to be repeated to ensure adequate immunity. Sure you can test titres first and if they are adequate there is no need for vaccination. You however seem to be saying there is no need to vaccinate, deworm or deflea animals at all which is absolutely incorrect and also extremely negligent.

 

[QuiteTheChin]

You should ask the vaccine manufacturers. They *only* recommend vax every three years, yet lots if vets say once a year, to make money. You cannot boost immunity. You either are or aren’t. Educate yourself.

It is absolute rubbish to say “you can’t boost immunity” with vaccines and laughable that you then say “educate yourself” You are clearly completely ignorant of how vaccination and the immune system works. Many vaccines require boosters to ensure the memory immune response is adequate. The number of boosters required is dependent on the vaccine formulation, they are all different. Exposure to infectious organisms also does not always guarantee lifelong immunity.

 

[motherofdonkeys]

@Mustard sometimes people have no choice but to vaccinate, if they need to use kennels or a cattery when they go away. They won't take pets without proof the animal has been vaccinated. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

 

[GiggleBee]

Our old cat we never vaccintated (bar kitten jabs!) and he lived to 17. We now have 3 others and theyre vaccintated yearly as we lost a kitten at 9 weeks old to cat flu/pneumonia, ill take an precortion I can now to protect my furbabies.

 

[spiderpig]

My dogs are both vaccinated and will be throughout their lives. My parents however had the puppy ones done and never had a jab since, both dogs are 13+ and healthy!
Just do what suits you.

 

[QuiteTheChin]

I know a girl that has a dog, its a few years old now, I think he's 8. She told me he has never had any vaccinations. Not even the ones that they have when they are newborns. And she's taking him for walks most days n everything. Blows my mind!

How irresponsible. The fact he hasn’t caught anything shows he is very lucky to be surrounded by dogs owned by decent owners who vaccinate and therefore don’t pass on the bugs.

 

[Coconutshy]

My grandparents dog lived to be 15. He never had any vaccinations. My cat is 17 and is doing very well, again without vaccinations. Not saying I’m against them completely, and if you want to get them for peace of mind it’s up to you. Maybe we have just been lucky. I hope when I have more pets, they will live just as long

ETA- I was a child when I had these pets so it wasn’t up to me whether they would get vaccines. The cat has only been to the vet to get neutered.

 

[Mustard]

Hi
Reviving an old thread here as my pup had his second vaccinations on Monday. I ended up taking him back to the vet this morning as he was very lethargic and had severe pain when opening his mouth and we have a provisional diagnosis of MMM - Masticatory Muscle Myositis. He’s had an injection of Prednisone and we have to go back tomorrow morning to see if there’s any improvement and to take bloods. I was just wondering if anyone here has any actual experience of this as at the moment I’m scaring myself silly reading all sorts of horror stories on dog forums and anti vaxxer sites but I’m hoping someone here might be more knowledgeable on what I should expect to hear or questions I should ask the vet in the morning? Many thanks

So sorry to hear this. How old is your dog? If you are on FB then join the Raw & Holistic Cat & Dog Support Group. Personally I would only now use a vet who had further qualified as a homeopathic vet. Where do you live? The bahvs.com can help you find one. The British Association of Homeopathic Veterinary Surgeons. Do not allow any vet to give any further vaccinations. Thus reaction also needs to be reported to the vaccination manufacturer. If you do vaccinate, which you obviously did, then one shot after 10 weeks (but no lepto) is the manufacturers recommendation which your vet did not follow. Did your dog get a lepto shot?

 

[Mustard]

Please say your not anti vaxx?

How would you explain those stray animals in countries where this type of treatment is generally not offered? They are dying in such a cruel nature when it could have been preventable. Sorry but I wont agree. Mang thanks for your input


I know people on here praise MP but I cant stand her. Very smug and thinks shes better than anyone, but to me shes trying to be clever and make out shes different when really shes all the same

If you want to vax, then do one round after 10 weeks. But not Leptospirosis 2 or 4. It’s too dangerous, and this country does not have a problem with Lepto, and it is treatable with antibiotics. Ask your vet how many actual cases of Lepto he or she has personally treated. Go to Novibac Lepto 4 Our Experiences FB Group for stories of how much damage this vax does. Maternal antibodies are usually present in puppies until approximately 16 weeks, possibly later. It’s best to titer first to see. Boosters are not needed, just titer. Titers can be low, which on,y means that the dog has not co e into contact with that particular disease recently.

I hope that you never see an unvaccinated Puppy/Dog that’s ill & near death from Parvovirus/Distemper. Once a year Vaccination stops this suffering and so many needless deaths.
I really hope you have no if that’s your way of thinking a responsible Owner should be

Once a year vax is not and has never been needed. You’ve drunk the vet kool aid.. Titer your dog instead. Same with rabies, yearly or three yearly vax for that is not needed. Do you think vets vax themselves every year against rabies in the United States or other countries where it is present?

 

[Mustard]

Our old cat we never vaccintated (bar kitten jabs!) and he lived to 17. We now have 3 others and theyre vaccintated yearly as we lost a kitten at 9 weeks old to cat flu/pneumonia, ill take an precortion I can now to protect my furbabies.

Why would you vaccinate yearly? You said you had a cat who lived to 17 after only having kitten jabs. I know many vet nurses and that is all they do for their cats. Kitten jabs only. Annual vaccinations are a money making scheme by many veterinarians.

Our old cat we never vaccintated (bar kitten jabs!) and he lived to 17. We now have 3 others and theyre vaccintated yearly as we lost a kitten at 9 weeks old to cat flu/pneumonia, ill take an precortion I can now to protect my furbabies.

Why would you vaccinate yearly? You said you had a cat who lived to 17 after only having kitten jabs. I know many vet nurses and that is all they do for their cats. Kitten jabs only. Annual vaccinations are a money making scheme by many veterinarians.

I had a cat die after a *booster*. Until then I believed in boosters, however the vet told me that bad reactions can happen yet they don’t tell owners. She only told me this after my cat died.

why wouldn't anyone want to vaccinate their pets if not just for peace of mind?? They are family and loved. The cost is worth it just for that reason alone

If you are talking about *boosters* because it’s necessary and you are putting poison into your animal for no reason. Do you or your family get annual vaccinations?

 

[Mustard]

From Dr. Ronald Schultz, leading veterinary immunologist on vaccines and titers.

@Mustard sometimes people have no choice but to vaccinate, if they need to use kennels or a cattery when they go away. They won't take pets without proof the animal has been vaccinated. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

Many kennels and catteries now accept titers. You can always get someone to care for the animal in your home.

 

[Mustard]

Ours come as part of our care package so its included

That’s how they make money. Why do you need a care package? They aren’t doing you a favour. Does the care package include monthly spot on flea meds? Vets have marketing companies working for them and this is how they are told to make money. Don’t give your cat or dog wormers, use a fecal test a few times a year to ascertain if they have worms. They probably don’t. But if they do then you can address the problem.

 

[Mustard]

This is such a random thread but one that I actually need right now! I have a cat that I usually vaccinate every year and give regular worming/flea treatment to. My circumstances have changed and I now live very remotely without access to a car so I’m not able to get to a vets easily.

I am more worried about the worming treatment though, she loves munching mice so I’m worried she might catch something!

Join the Raw & Holistic Cat & Dog Support Group. Your cat does not need any more vaccinations. If you are worried about worms then use wormcount.com to test for worms. It's done by post.

I know a girl that has a dog, its a few years old now, I think he's 8. She told me he has never had any vaccinations. Not even the ones that they have when they are newborns. And she's taking him for walks most days n everything. Blows my mind!

Thus shows that animals can build natural immunity.

 

[GobShyte64]

I know a girl that has a dog, its a few years old now, I think he's 8. She told me he has never had any vaccinations. Not even the ones that they have when they are newborns. And she's taking him for walks most days n everything. Blows my mind!

 

[Mustard]

Yes it was the second round of the Nobivac L4 vaccine. He had the first at 7 weeks with the breeder so isn’t due any more. Thank you for the reply, I’ll have a look at the bahvs site

Please join the Novibac Lepto4 FB group for support and help. I think it might be prefaced with Does Novibac Lepto4 kill Dogs - sorry to be so blunt. It’s a terrible drug. And join the other group I mentioned. Also join Canine Health Concern - Natural Healthcare. There are a few vets in that group.