Not saying she's a bad looking girl but....hard pass. Too many of these celeb/model spawns have a "modeling career" that should go to more worthy candidates. All of these kids are attractive people (Georgia May Jagger, Kaia Gerber, Hadids, Kendall, Devon Aoki, Cara D., etc.) but imho, most of them would have no modeling career to speak of without their famous parents.
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Her body looks more like a dancer's than a model's (which makes sense, looking at her IG). She definitely has an interesting point of view, which is cool, but yeah, it's a pass for me too.
With a lot of these celeb spawns, I can see why they turn to modeling. Like, what else they can do with their careers? None of them have to work, but if they do, they're not going to be like, a mid-level manager at an insurance company. They're left with a few options: 1) follow in their parents' footsteps but be under intense scrutiny and constant comparison, 2) strike out on their own and do something completely different but that requires much discipline and talent, 3) do something media/entertainment-adjacent that's not too in the limelight, like modeling or "fashion design". Obviously, nepotism plays a big role in all three options, but the third allows them to feed their massive egos without needing to try too hard, and apart from the biggest names, no one will care if they crash and burn.
With a lot of these celeb spawns, I can see why they turn to modeling. Like, what else they can do with their careers? None of them have to work, but if they do, they're not going to be like, a mid-level manager at an insurance company. They're left with a few options: 1) follow in their parents' footsteps but be under intense scrutiny and constant comparison, 2) strike out on their own and do something completely different but that requires much discipline and talent, 3) do something media/entertainment-adjacent that's not too in the limelight, like modeling or "fashion design". Obviously, nepotism plays a big role in all three options, but the third allows them to feed their massive egos without needing to try too hard, and apart from the biggest names, no one will care if they crash and burn.
Her walk is terrible and her side profile is weirdly really flat? I appreciate she has an interesting look but her face is too small for me. It looks squashed around her mouth.That walk tho
She looks like her mother in many of her ig pics but she’s a different shape. Kristen was very willowy and androgynous
I know fashion, especially high fashion, is all about embracing what’s unique, but I’m not sure I can get into her or Lily Mcmenamy. I totally agree that her side profile looks too odd, and not in a good way. I think ultimately even if you hire someone for their uniqueness, they should still be aesthetically pleasing to look at and photograph and these girls are borderline not. Lara Stone or Freja Beha would be my picks for models with more distinctive looks, or even Emilia Arkensved or one of those doll-face models.
Someone I think is more of an actress (although I think she was under Storm Management at some point) is Jane March. I find her almost unattractive because she’s so unusual looking but she still has an “it factor” that makes me think that she is a model and she definitely has sex appeal. I don’t feel the same way with a lot of celeb spawn models or some of the newer “unique” models.
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Yeah, I don't get the hype with Kaia Gerber, for example. I think body-wise she has that HF runway look but face-wise she doesn't do much for me - I just find her a little bit too generic-looking and not particularly striking. She seems like a sweet girl though.
I think she's also somewhat short by today's standards for runway! According to people in the industry, most of the shorter models are an inch or two shorter than their listed height so that means she's only 5'8 or maybe even 5'7 (card height is 5'9). I understand that her mom was a supermodel back in the day but I honestly think having the model look is quite random genetically speaking. A lot of the most beautiful and tallest people come from very average parents and having a model mom doesn't mean you'll be model material.
My little cousin is 16 right now and modelling part time (mostly commercial stuff, his mom wants him to finish high school before pursuing anything more serious) and he's 6'2 and still growing, and super lanky. Neither of his parents are anywhere near that height or even that good looking but somehow my cousin has managed to really grow into his very chiseled/unique features. I wouldn't say he's super handsome by any regular definition of the word but the way he looks really works in front of the camera.
I have a hard time believing that a reputable modeling agency would fudge their model's numbers by more than an inch. What happens when a model that the client thought was 5'10" shows up to a shoot or fitting, and she's only 5'8"? It could ruin the look they are trying to achieve, or worse, she can't fit into the clothes, and that damages the relationship with the agency. Maybe there is an unspoken agreement regarding insta-models that they all come shorter than advertised, but generally, it seems like too much of a risk.
I was a massive fan of the supers in the 90s.Supermodel Karen Mulder’s story suggests a very dark side to the modelling agency. I hope she’s much happier these days
Modeling And The Tragedy Of Karen Mulder
The news that ’90s supermodel Karen Mulder was arrested in Paris for making death threats to her plastic surgeon could be written off as, at worst, a punchline, or at best, the latest express…therebelheart.net
Dreamed of looking like Helena lol anyone remember when she modelled a range of clothes for Dorothy Perkins? I bought every single line thinking it would make me look like her!!!!
Always intrigued by Karen Mulder and her story. I too hope she is at peace and happy x
My fave of all.time was Christy. Still stunning now.
I think if you’re a celeb spawn or rich/connected, you get a pass. Otherwise, completely agree with you.
They honestly do. I have a friend (male) who went to some casting and he’s six foot dead but they told him his “model height” (the words they literally used) would be 6’2”.
I think it’s just commonly accepted across the industry that everyone exaggerates.
Speaking of celebrity offspring models, I think Iris Law is gorgeous. Obviously not tall enough to do runway but I think she's got a nice face.
She is a beautiful girl! Shame that she isn't just not very tall, but actually really short at 163cm (card height), so I'm guessing she's 160cm, tops.
They honestly do, or at least they did when I worked in the industry. I never had any experience with Instagram models because I worked in the industry pre-Instagram. I did work with several big names and none of them were particularly tall.
What I think people don’t really understand is that unless they’re modelling couture or something that’s being made specifically for them, a model’s measurements are not routinely taken.
Fittings are more about who looks best in what, not oh let’s check what height and size this girl is to check if the agency lied. One of the reasons models are pressured to be so thin is so they can effortlessly slip into sample sizes and have them pinned or altered to fit better. Height doesn’t come into that nearly as much as hip size or bust size does.
I appreciate that, as been said on this thread, some designers have catwalk height limits now, and I can well believe agencies are stricter now in light of that, but I am not convinced they are as strict as some claim. In my experience, “tall enough” is fine, and everyone expected agencies to fudge details on cards, so no-one put huge stock into them.
I also want to point out that agencies and model agents are essentially sales people, they absolutely do fudge the truth knowing they can get away with it, they can be extremely pushy and they’ll also do sneaky things with any client where they believe they can get away with it. I’ll give some examples:
- sending girls to a casting that weren’t actually requested because they know they won’t be turned away
- booking castings or even tests with a girl who you’re told is within shoot budget, but then when it comes to booking you’re told they’re more expensive than initially agreed
- the hype machine where they’ll attempt to play clients off against each other by mentioning “oh so and so brand were wanting this girl but you could quickly see her”
I do think that with the rise of the fandom of models via social media, especially with Victoria’s Secret, there is this weird core of fandom who mythologise everything about models and seem particularly obsessed by height.
Kate Moss and Cara D are both obvious examples of being uber successful despite a surprisingly short height, and yes they are probably outliers since they’re both much shorter than other models. But genuinely, a lot of the girls who claim 5’10 are 5’8.5 at best. It could be sloppy measurements or it could be outright lies, I don’t know, but I say this as someone with friends who are model agents - they will do whatever they can to procure both big paying and big exposure/highly thought of jobs (or the holy grail, which is both!) for their board!
Also, another note about agents. They can be harsh.
Ever sent your pics into an agency and had them rejected? It’s quite possible they will have forwarded them to all their favourite clients and scouts and mocked your pictures, laughed at your delusion.
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This! My friend did work experience at an high profile agency and they used to laugh at the walk ins after they had left.
Another friend is signed to another high profile agency and one of our friends asked her if she could show her agent their photos and the agent laughed in her face when she showed the photos and said they’d never be a model. We never ended up telling them cause we knew it would crush them
Some may or may not be interested in this - Paul Sinha mentioned the old supermodel Tatjana Patitz in his radio 4 program 'General Knowledge' this week. Did anyone watch Models: Street To Catwalk on iPlayer? Thought that attitude of several sucked.
Very late reply, but from everything I've read it looks more of a suicide. I think she was very depressed and was also in a cult thing called Rose of the World which was a cult like thing that is known for its extreme and traumatic methods of "healing". Another model friend of her who attended the Rose of the World meetings also committed suicide a year later I think. She seemed to have been at a very dark place at the time it happened. No evidence of foul play was found, but we never know. There were also some doubts given the distance into which she fell on the floor which could indicate someone pushed her, but this seems to be explained by her climbing to the roof, running forward and then jumping. She also seemed to have her hair messingly cut before she jumped and there were theories if someone cut it to humiliate her or something because her hair was her mark in the industry as she was known as the "Russian Rapunzel". However, cutting the hair is something many depressed people do and fits into her mental breakdown symptoms (this also takes me back to Britney Spears shaving her hair at the time of her breakdown)
I agree. She’s one of my favourite models, she was such a great beauty and I loved her campaigns. Some people see to forget that she cut her hair a bit before she died so it wasn’t that at the length she was known for. Plus being involved in that weird cult whilst you are suffering with mental health problems must have just exacerbated how she was feeling.
Very poignant that Vlada Roslyakova posts a tribute to her on her birthday nearly every year. She still misses her friend.
I read somewhere she has been on the Lolita Express. But I also heard this about Will Smith. I wonder if this is true, what were they doing there and why did they have these ties with Epstein.
There were also accounts of Britanny Murphy being an escort to very rich men before she died. I've also heard rumors about Naomi having been or being an high end escort to billionaire men but have no idea if there is true to them or not. She has connections though and used to hang out with very rich and powerful men, so we never know.
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