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Yes the Gaspar statement was damning I agree. That opens a whole other can of worms that I dont want to think about.
Setting everything else aside and putting it out there that they did 'something', do you think any of the tapas crowd knew?
It all gets muddied like any huge story getting sitings from all over. I thought the Irish family's siting sounded valid, but that was on the night she was reported missing.
DP is a creep. I bet he noticed Maddie in her pajamas 
I’ve said this earlier in the thread but why would any/all of the other people lie for them? My understanding is that they weren’t a big group of close friends and some of the people in the group were essentially strangers to them. Why on earth would they unnecessarily involve themselves in a very complicated lie? It would have surely unraveled by now as well if it was the case.I’ve always been of the mindset it happened the night before when Mrs Fenn heard all the crying. I know it will be said she was signed into the daycare book the day after but (imo) the book has been shown to be unreliable. Their behaviour also seemed to be that of people acting a rehearsed scene
This is just mo but I don’t think the tapas crew knew anything. If you look at the stats they mainly stayed in because their children were ”ill”. there was only the MCanns went out every night. They didn’t mix either the day she went missing apart from the “Payne sighting” yet they were all brought to the apartment to sort out a timeline. They were probably all made to feel guilty about the “checking” system because they had used it at some point. It’s only my thoughts
My comment certainly wasn’t aimed at you.
I agree. I posted the odds of kidnapping on this thread and it’s very small odds. I’m a parent of a child almost exactly the same age, and after the first horror at thinking how awful it was, and feeling sad, I examined their behaviour more and none of it sat right or seemed natural to me.
I'm wondering if you have any actual reason to think the Tapas7 are all child abusers who are willing to conceal a child's body or is this pure speculation? On a package holiday to Portugal?
It's hardly surprising that the McCanns are so litigious.
Stuff like this is a reach isn't it, it starts to get silly and tin hat.
Aaaaaand that's the can of worms I didnt want to open. Its jumping the shark. I can get my head round a terrible accident covered up in panic at losing one's life but yes that's a reach too far for me.
I do find it interesting reading everyone’s different perspectives and challenging my own thinking. Even the tin hat stuff 
I’ve said before the thing for me personally is I don’t see how they could have disposed of a body in a strange country AND got away with it for this long. But then the dog thing throws a spanner in the works. I hope we find out in our lifetime.
I’ve said before the thing for me personally is I don’t see how they could have disposed of a body in a strange country AND got away with it for this long. But then the dog thing throws a spanner in the works. I hope we find out in our lifetime.
This thread is ALL speculation. All of it. Some people would do well to remember that. It’s just theories. And we will never know the truth, but given the Gaspar statement, thinking abuse happened isn’t the craziest assumption one could make. There was abuse at that Celtic football club connected to Gerry. Look at the Epstein files and how many absolutely vile things go on in the world. Most people wouldn’t do that, but it doesn’t mean those things didn’t happen. Why was there a CATS file?
At the end of the day, it doesn’t affect the McCann’s if you defend them or disbelieve them.
As for litigation, look at what they didn’t take legal action over. That’s also interesting. Who didn’t they sue? Why didn’t they?
At the end of the day, it doesn’t affect the McCann’s if you defend them or disbelieve them.
As for litigation, look at what they didn’t take legal action over. That’s also interesting. Who didn’t they sue? Why didn’t they?
Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.
So there was just a file reference, it was nfa'd.
Gerry McCann, born in Glasgow 1968, was Celtic FC club physio during the 1990’s that left Celtic 6 months before Torbett was sacked for the second time.
Gerry McCann left the club 6months before Torbett was sacked.
So there was just a file reference, it was nfa'd.
Gerry McCann, born in Glasgow 1968, was Celtic FC club physio during the 1990’s that left Celtic 6 months before Torbett was sacked for the second time.
Gerry McCann left the club 6months before Torbett was sacked.
Was there a post deleted? I dont see your original, only where it was quoted from last night
Yeh its triggering for me so I close that off, but obviously anything is possible. I didnt mean to be snarky
Politicians billionaires and Royals are involved very recently so doctors aren't exempt of course. And yes I was horrified at the Gaspar statement also
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I didn’t take your post as snarky at all. We can all believe what we like. As an audhd person, I do tend to examine patterns and evidence in depth and each individual weird thing alone, you can kind of go, oh okay that’s weird but not damning, but the list of all the stuff is just too much for me to think there wasn’t something weird going on with the family.
So you can say maybe they left her alone, had an accident… yeah it’s really bad but they could’ve played it like they were in but asleep at the time and found her in the morning.
If they did that though, what were they worried about being uncovered? That’s when possible SA and drugging come to mind.
If she “wandered off”… why would anyone shout “they’ve taken her”? As per my previous posts you’d be running around shouting your child and checking the swimming pool for a body.
I don’t have time now to go more in depth but you get the idea. There’s just too many questions!! And then the fact they didn’t answer their questions!
Even if you don’t agree with Sonia’s reasoning, the fact that so much money keeps being thrown at this case is downright bizarre.
I agree with her that it’s kept an open case to prevent questions. Any one else would have been declared dead by now as well.
Time for the bi-annual plod jolly holiday, I mean invesitgative exploration out to lovely Portugal. I got hopeful when the funding for OG was said to be cut but it's not by very much, they are still getting an obscence 80k+
After doing everything they possibly could to link the case to that vile CB and coming away with a botched mess and him going free anyway, and what with it being almost 20 years (!!!) since Madeleine's disappearance I really do think they need to put these resources elsewhere.
Not least because I'm quite certain that if the poor girl had vanished in somewhere like Sibera (no disrespect to Sibera peeps) they would not be in such a hurry to rush over twice a year...
After doing everything they possibly could to link the case to that vile CB and coming away with a botched mess and him going free anyway, and what with it being almost 20 years (!!!) since Madeleine's disappearance I really do think they need to put these resources elsewhere.
Not least because I'm quite certain that if the poor girl had vanished in somewhere like Sibera (no disrespect to Sibera peeps) they would not be in such a hurry to rush over twice a year...
God 20 years. It makes my blood run cold. Imo Kate and Gerry are terrible terrible people for leaving their children, but i can't imagine not knowing where your baby is for 20 years. If they aren't murderers / abusers and just normal people how on earth do you even begin to get over that.
Maybe not by having photoshoots, planning a one year event and having balloons and smiling like maniacs
