I’d love to think she was taken and sold to a childless couple but tbh, if that were the case, I think they’d have taken the twins rather than Madeleine because they were much younger.
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It's really baffling that if there was an abudction, the babies were not the target. Would in theory be easier than a three-year-old. Unless something went wrong and any potential abductor ended up taking Madeleine instead in a moment of chaos or something?
We've had this discussion on here countless times, and it's quite the disgusting point to write about, but I've read as an explanation, that on the p*do-"market" a slightly older child, which is identifyable as female at first sight, unlike Amelia at that time, would be of more worth. I find that plausible.
I completely agree that Madeleine has been let down - and exploited in her death - repeatedly. I think we all feel that very deeply which is why feelings run so high on all sides.
I’ve always felt that the Portuguese investigation was conducted in quite a reasonable manner but was horribly undermined by the UK media. Brits were told for years that the Portuguese screwed up the case - and there’s often a nasty insinuation by the media that British investigators would have been far superior (ahem Operation Grange). But where did those stories come from?
Actually Detective Amaral was a successful and experienced detective - very far from the bumbling idiot portrayed by the British tabloids. He formed a theory of what had happened fairly quickly based on his examination of the evidence and the testimony given by the McCanns, the Tapas 7 and other staff and witnesses around the resort. And if you find his theory credible, which I do, the conclusion is that he was looking in exactly the right place, at exactly the right people.
For anyone interested in this case it’s really worth having a look at Amaral’s theory. If nothing else, it summarises the glaring inconsistencies in the McCann’s testimony that make this case so incredibly confusing. And it’s a fascinating insight into the way detectives gather evidence and put together a working hypothesis of a case, which gives with a completely different perspective than that fed to us by the media.
It’s not the best audio unfortunately but it’s all I can find!
I’ve always felt that the Portuguese investigation was conducted in quite a reasonable manner but was horribly undermined by the UK media. Brits were told for years that the Portuguese screwed up the case - and there’s often a nasty insinuation by the media that British investigators would have been far superior (ahem Operation Grange). But where did those stories come from?
Actually Detective Amaral was a successful and experienced detective - very far from the bumbling idiot portrayed by the British tabloids. He formed a theory of what had happened fairly quickly based on his examination of the evidence and the testimony given by the McCanns, the Tapas 7 and other staff and witnesses around the resort. And if you find his theory credible, which I do, the conclusion is that he was looking in exactly the right place, at exactly the right people.
For anyone interested in this case it’s really worth having a look at Amaral’s theory. If nothing else, it summarises the glaring inconsistencies in the McCann’s testimony that make this case so incredibly confusing. And it’s a fascinating insight into the way detectives gather evidence and put together a working hypothesis of a case, which gives with a completely different perspective than that fed to us by the media.
It’s not the best audio unfortunately but it’s all I can find!
His book has been translated into English online even though its never been sold here by a publisher. Like anything in this case who really knows, there have been claims he has caused issues on other cases too, but whether this is true or not hard to tell. Its worth a read though as there were elements i hadn't heard on the mainstream reporting yet were verifiable, this decision suggests that there is nothing outlandishly made up imo:
Madeleine McCann’s parents lose challenge over Portuguese libel case | Madeleine McCann | The Guardian Google tracking links are automatically removed for everyones safety
I’ve come across the opposite theory which is that a) older children are much more difficult to abduct than babies because they can struggle, articulate themselves, shout, call for mum and dad etc and b) pd rings do not abduct from nice middle-class family resorts where people will supposedly be looking after their children conscientiously, staff along with parents will be around and aware of where children are, and the alarm will go up very quickly if a child goes missing. They look for much more vulnerable and unprotected children for a reason - nobody notices that they’ve gone.
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One of the biggest "crimes" was how in the UK you simply weren't "allowed" to say anything about the McCann's leaving the kids alone without getting completey pilloried and discussions censored.
Mainstream media would never mention it at all and if it was brought up you'd get some twit insisting that everybody does it and the subject was closed.
It was bizarre.
And although she went much too far with it, I can't help but feel empathy for the poor lady who took her own life because Sky doorstopped her over her McCann related tweets, purely because they wanted the shock value of exposing a "nice middle class" lady as a troll. Her son wrote about her years later and described a deeply troubled person, and I hope those reporters who treated her like a circus freak are haunted by their actions.
It was totally nuts how the McCanns had this unprecedented hold over the media, all because they knew someone who worked at ITV. Who was the first person they called, I read.
At least in recent years we have finally be able talk about the neglect angle on this case, even if the media and authorities still won't.
Mainstream media would never mention it at all and if it was brought up you'd get some twit insisting that everybody does it and the subject was closed.
It was bizarre.
And although she went much too far with it, I can't help but feel empathy for the poor lady who took her own life because Sky doorstopped her over her McCann related tweets, purely because they wanted the shock value of exposing a "nice middle class" lady as a troll. Her son wrote about her years later and described a deeply troubled person, and I hope those reporters who treated her like a circus freak are haunted by their actions.
It was totally nuts how the McCanns had this unprecedented hold over the media, all because they knew someone who worked at ITV. Who was the first person they called, I read.
At least in recent years we have finally be able talk about the neglect angle on this case, even if the media and authorities still won't.
Is there any ongoing monitoring of Bruckner, is he on a SO register or do police monitor his whereabouts or anything like that?
The media may have kinda skirted around the issue partly because the McCanns were so litigious and partly because it is an obvious fact that you shouldn't leave small children alone as it is neglectful, careless and selfish.
I don't think they had unprecedented hold over the media - they contacted Jill Renwick the following day and she contacted the media, they did what they could to get the story out, any parent would do that, there wasn't much else going on in the news at that time so a child disappearing on holiday was a massive story.
Everyone knew the McCanns left the children alone while they went for dinner, the conversation up and down the country was 'you don't do that'.
The media may have kinda skirted around the issue partly because the McCanns were so litigious and partly because it is an obvious fact that you shouldn't leave small children alone as it is neglectful, careless and selfish.
I don't think they had unprecedented hold over the media - they contacted Jill Renwick the following day and she contacted the media, they did what they could to get the story out, any parent would do that, there wasn't much else going on in the news at that time so a child disappearing on holiday was a massive story.
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Realistically though if this was a working class family the media would have delved into every faucet of their lives. Not saying thats right, but the response to leaving them alone would have been very different from the press and the public, even them dropping them off at holiday club for most of the day would have been side eyed. I think ironically though this deafening silence and shut down at the mere mention of it swayed a lot of people to be suspicious.
Might have also been a factor that nowadays with True Crime-podcasts everywhere, we know, you always work your way from inside the victim's/missing person's social circle towards more distant layers. With that knowledge broadly available, maybe society would have accepted the investigation and second guessing the McCanns, without the instant reflex of "the poor parents suffer enough already", and media following that path, because they knew it would be unpopular to second guess them and don't get the sales and views. Just a theory.
TBH, the media are probably the most likely professional group to emphasise with aspirational middle-class doctors getting pissed and saving a few pennies on babysitters (didn't they claim at once point they didn't trust their children with strangers?!); none of them are really parents of the year.
They absolutely had an unprecedented relationship with the media. How many other parents of missing children have professional media spokespeople including former government spin-doctors, hire image management consultants and engage high profile libel lawyers to threaten or sue anyone (Amaral, Pat Brown etc) who publish different opinions that contradict the abduction theory? Why do they even care what other theories are out there? If Madeleine is really missing, abducted by god-knows-who, and you know that for sure deep down in your soul, why waste time and (publicly donated) money on what other people say about you?
The ONLY focus of parents of missing children is getting that child back, and enduring the intense suffering that comes with not knowing where they are and imagining the horrors they’re going through. It’s all they eat, sleep and breathe. The focus is not writing blogs describing what you had for dinner (Gerry), setting up ways for people to give you money, hiring media managers, laughing on breakfast TV sofas, suing authors who want to express different opinions, speaking at the Leveson inquiry or going on friendly Oprah interviews where they’ll be asked the softest of soft questions. Why do they even care about their public image when their daughter has been apparently abducted and they don’t know where she is!
The ONLY focus of parents of missing children is getting that child back, and enduring the intense suffering that comes with not knowing where they are and imagining the horrors they’re going through. It’s all they eat, sleep and breathe. The focus is not writing blogs describing what you had for dinner (Gerry), setting up ways for people to give you money, hiring media managers, laughing on breakfast TV sofas, suing authors who want to express different opinions, speaking at the Leveson inquiry or going on friendly Oprah interviews where they’ll be asked the softest of soft questions. Why do they even care about their public image when their daughter has been apparently abducted and they don’t know where she is!
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The McCanns may have an unprecedented relationship with the media following the disappearance of MM - but not an unprecedented hold over the media which is the comment I responded to.
Of course they hired professionals to represent them and they were/are litigious but it needs to be acknowledged that there were false headlines in the press including that they drugged MM with sleeping tablets, they were responsible for her death and covered this up.
The parents received compensation for this and were involved in the Levison inquiry.
The McCanns have the same rights as everyone else to defend themselves against baseless accusations, it doesn't mean that they are guilty. Your opinion of how they should conduct themselves is not relevant to anything.
Of course they hired professionals to represent them and they were/are litigious but it needs to be acknowledged that there were false headlines in the press including that they drugged MM with sleeping tablets, they were responsible for her death and covered this up.
The parents received compensation for this and were involved in the Levison inquiry.
The McCanns have the same rights as everyone else to defend themselves against baseless accusations, it doesn't mean that they are guilty. Your opinion of how they should conduct themselves is not relevant to anything.
This is absolutely spot on and something that has always bothered me. Inside houses people were saying you don't leave your kids alone but the media played it like they were eating in their garden and everyone does it. I was a teenager at the time and a regular babysitter who wouldn't even run across the road to get a tampon from my own house let alone go out for dinner.
Even now the media skirts around the issue.
Is it not because it just goes without saying? Everyone agrees they were bad parents, I haven't heard a single person ever defending them for what they did. But in terms of the realities of the where we are it does absolutely nothing to assist in tracking down where Madeleine is or identifying her murderer. It's just irrelevant and thus no point wasting any energy on. The parents have already suffered a million times worse a punishment for leaving the children alone, what else do you want here?
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Crazy they’re now opening up the twins to the same type of intrusion after protecting them for all those yrs
Accountability is what I want. Accountability would probably stop all the conspiracy theories against them. They've suffered yeah, but not as much as Maddie has.
Stop pretending that everyone did it. Say what it was. Why is everyone terrified of saying that should have never happened.
Someone mentioned up thread that it is the neglected children that get taken, not the children of white middle class parents. Maddie was neglected. She was the exact target. No one keeping an eye on her, literally a sitting duck.
I have honestly never heard anyone saying 'it's ok to leave small children on their own and go for a meal, I do this all the time' - who are these people who are saying everyone does this?
However, after 18yrs, there are only so many times you can state the obvious - you don't leave small children on their own - it doesn't bring us any closer to knowing what happened to Madeleine.
However, after 18yrs, there are only so many times you can state the obvious - you don't leave small children on their own - it doesn't bring us any closer to knowing what happened to Madeleine.
In Kates book she states Madeline wandered into their bedroom in the apartment in the middle of the night a few days before she went missing and complained the twins were keeping her awake. Another morning she apparently asked why they didnt check on them when they were crying in the night, to me this highlights the most likely scenario.
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