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Lady_H

griftalo said:
If you’re drugged and slip off the back of a settee onto a tiled floor I can absolutely see a fatal head injury occurring.
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Yes, absolutely. Definitely a freak accident, but they do happen - I’d say this was possible even she hadn’t been medicated - and good reminder that the floor was tiled not carpeted.

The theory goes:
- Gerry and Jez Wilkins are chatting down in the lane next to the apartment
- Madeleine wakes up and hears her father’s voice downstairs
- Climbs on to the back of the sofa to try to see him out of the window
- loses her footing and falls from the top of the sofa (so about 5 feet? I’m not good at judging heights) hitting her head on the tiles and slipping down between the sofa and the wall.
 
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griftalo

Lady_H said:
Yes, absolutely. Definitely a freak accident, but they do happen - I’d say this was possible even she hadn’t been medicated - and good reminder that the floor was tiled not carpeted.

The theory goes:
- Gerry and Jez Wilkins are chatting down in the lane next to the apartment
- Madeleine wakes up and hears her father’s voice downstairs
- Climbs on to the back of the sofa to try to see him out of the window
- loses her footing and falls from the top of the sofa (so about 5 feet? I’m not good at judging heights) hitting her head on the tiles and slipping down between the sofa and the wall.
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I’ve said before, I’m so paranoid about kids banging heads on holiday floors I made my 2.5 year old have a mattress on the floor flanked by cushions and things to break their fall even from the six inch or so mattress if they rolled off. Head injuries are very serious for kids. One of mine got concussion last year and is still being affected by it nearly a year later.

Re drugs they had some rather unnecessary medication with them and I really think she was drugged. We know they made a big thing of how she didn’t sleep, there was talk of a relative taking her maybe in future etc. I’ve suffered through kids who don’t sleep (like never sleeping through before 3.5) and it’s tough but to think of giving them away?? No.
 
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Nelly's mum

griftalo said:
If you’re drugged and slip off the back of a settee onto a tiled floor I can absolutely see a fatal head injury occurring.
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Who's saying MM was drugged? Were any drugs or paraphernalia found, or anything in the photos of the apartment, any evidence or any statements taken to indicate that MM was drugged?
I haven't seen anything - I know this is a popular idea on the thread but I've never seen anything to support it.

I've heard that Gerry McCann declined having the twins being tested, the suggestion is this was because he had drugged them - this was when he was being suspected of involvement in MM's disappearance and not cooperating with police so I'm not surprised he declined the twins being tested.
 
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Jen667

If Madeleine had slipped, fallen and died as a result then why would the parents first instinct be: now we must fake a kidnapping and dispose of her body?
 
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Lady_H

Jen667 said:
If Madeleine had slipped, fallen and died as a result then why would the parents first instinct be: now we must fake a kidnapping and dispose of her body?
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Nobody is saying that was their “first instinct”. It is so much more complex and subtle than that.
 
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helcob1977

Didn't the mother of someone in their party comment that the mccann twins didn't wake up at all that night even when there were lots of people in the room and even through being picked up and taken to another apartment. She said she wondered if the kids had been given some sort of medication to keep them asleep
 
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Jen667

Lady_H said:
Nobody is saying that was their “first instinct”. It is so much more complex and subtle than that.
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is it? If not their first instinct it would have to be a pretty swift decision. And why? Tragic accidents happen all the time. It makes zero sense that they would feel compelled to stage a kidnapping
 
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griftalo

Jen667 said:
is it? If not their first instinct it would have to be a pretty swift decision. And why? Tragic accidents happen all the time. It makes zero sense that they would feel compelled to stage a kidnapping
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It would be if you assume the timeline they suggest was correct. There’s so much sketchy evidence suggesting it was not so.
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Jen667 said:
If Madeleine had slipped, fallen and died as a result then why would the parents first instinct be: now we must fake a kidnapping and dispose of her body?
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That brings a whole other lot of ideas. If sexual abuse would be apparent from an autopsy, for example, that would be reason to freak out.
 
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