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Hazara04

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They have not named the senior managers arrested for Manslaughter. Probably Tony Chambers and Ian Harvey.

It's the wording of the note, set in the past tense which makes it so damning. Intrusive thoughts are a compulsion to do something evil which shocks and scares ordinary people. Letby has never mentioned being advised to write down dark thoughts.
Yes, she was asked why she wrote those notes on multiple occasions both during police interviews and under cross examination in court. She said it was something she had always done. Even if was true that she instructed by a counsellor to write down her darkest thoughts it doesn't make it any less incriminating, "I killed them on purpose, I'm evil I did this". There is no reason a innocent person would write this.
 
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Apostate

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They are adamant she is innocent. Can anyone help me eloquently answer these points?
They don't really need answering. 1, 3, 4, 6 and 7 do not form any part of Letby's application to the CCRC - so it's pointless arguing about them because even Letby herself doesn't. It's a bit like the statistics which get Letby supporters excited - Letby is not challenging the convictions on these grounds.

2 and 5 were dealt with at the trial - Letby admitted the babies were poisoned which she would not have done if her experts had found otherwise. Letby attempted to appeal the insulin convictions in April 2024 but failed. But there's nothing to stop her trying again with the CCRC so that's what she's doing.

Letby's attempts to challenge the insulin convictions are doomed to fail again because her experts on this matter are not physicians so will not be accepted as medical evidence. The prosecution at the trial had a consultant endocrinologist Prof Hindmarsh - Letby can't find an endocrinologist to back her. Panorama had a consultant endocrinologist on their programme who said Letby's experts are basically wrong.

But to be honest it's futile arguing with these people - they've gone down the rabbit hole there is no going back.
 
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tay65

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A vomit inducing article by Nadine Dorries in the mail. Who tries to portray her as Florence Nightingale 🙄.

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What Nadz fails to mention is that when she wasnt attacking babies, she was constantly on her phone when she was supposed to be working, feeding babies one handed so she could message with the other. Hoarding hundreds of confidential medical records and handover notes. Abandoning her designated baby so she could harass grieving parents. Ignored instructions from shift leaders to stay out of nursery 1 and look after her own baby and have a hissy fit when she couldn't get her own way. Show zero remorse when she "accidentally" administered over 10 times the safe dosage of morphine. Complain about looking after babies that werent sick because it's "boring". Such a dillgent, dedicated super nurse 🙄
She was geeky, always handed her homework in on time, didn't mess about in class and polished her shoes so she couldn't possibly have committed these crimes!! This piece is unbelievably inaccurate and she's been paid for writing this. She reports that Letby is godmother to two children, does she think this makes her less likely to have carried out these crimes. Rose West actually murdered her own child!! The crem de la crem and doing everything by the book comments frustrate me because she wasn't doing everything by the book. One example was when it was shown in court via phone records that she had sent a large amount of text messages to an off duty colleague at a time when she was feeding a baby. It was demonstrated that she had pushed the feed through as opposed to feeding the baby correctly as it could have only been done this way whilst sending all these text messages. It also showed she had lied when she said that she never used her phone in the nursery or a clinical area. During the trial Letby's practice was shown to be poor, and in many instances deliberately poor, but people like Dorries choose not to mention any of these things but try to paint her as an excellent, dedicated nurse. This newspaper report, like many others is inaccurate and it is apparent Dorries has not read any of the evidence and is making money and getting public attention by jumping on the innocence bandwagon and supporting a murderer without any thought to the people whose lives have been devastated by Letby.
 
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Hazara04

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Christopher Snowdon has reviewed the Channel 4 documentary



"Overall, this is a fine film and well worth watching. But it is probably best enjoyed in the privacy of your own home rather than in a cinema surrounded by cackling victims of Dunning-Kruger syndrome."
 
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MavisBeacon

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She still not waived legal privilege then?
Until she does, the truthers are pissing in the wind.

Phil Hammond in particular should know better and needs to take a long hard look at himself.

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Aberscot

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They can all shout and speak crap all they want but the reality is Letby is having another miserable Christmas in jail, watching her back and counting down the years till she passes in there.
Hoepfully we will hear the appeals have failed again soon and they will all move on to another case.
Also 2026 maybe hear if she’s going to be charged again, and also if any of the management team will be joining her!
Merry Christmas everyone!
 
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Just as an aside, I was discussing the possible new charges with my mother and she was saying she’s wondering what became of Letby’s parents (or as I like to call them, the gruesome twosome). Also, with all of the pointless articles on what her hair colour is now and who tolerates her company in prison, where are the interviews with people who actually knew her? Was she so bland and non descript nobody outside of the hospital interacted with her in any meaningful way? So many questions about her life and how she presented the wild…
 
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jolt321

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Many of them are convinced that the 3 doctors are going to experience severe penalties. And it's not even a marginal belief among them e.g. Sir David Davis reporting Ravi to the police for what he claims is perjury. Bunch of complete fruitloops.
Yes apparently Dr J has committed perjury because he stated Letby called him cotside to a collapse in an email. No accounting for the fact there was 3 separate collapses for baby K, and from the retrial a nurse stated that Letby did in fact call everyone over. No accounting for the fact, that Letbys defence were in possession of this email pre appeal and choose not persue it as an avenue for appeal. No accounting for the fact the email could have contained typos or simply been a mistake. Nope, it's perjury! And part of the grand conspiracy against super nurse Letby!
 
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sebanna

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The full truth about what Letby did needs to come out. Not that I think it will stop the Truthers thinking she innocent but it will give the complete picture and hopefully stop the general public being bombarded with documentaries and newspaper articles making a murderer into a victim.
 
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O'lee

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Turns out the consultants did inform the Coroner about the cannula

Yet another Letbyist scoop has fallen apart, this time within hours of publication and broadcast
 

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Tofino

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Dimitrova kicking off again.

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I just went to have a nosy, bloody hell they are going after the Mail and Liz and Caroline now.

If ever there was any doubt about this campaign being about a young, ‘pretty’ nurse then look no further than Colin Norris. Who is actually in the court of appeal with ‘new’ insulin evidence this week. You would think they would be all over it. Another convicted nurse murderer with a possible MoJ (not my view but you would think it would be theirs). But they have no interest in him.

Too old, male and gay for them I guess.
 
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LittleMy

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Her convictions still stand, she’s guilty as sin and there’s nothing the cult can do about that, no matter how hard they stomp their feet.

I feel for the parents and families of the babies involved. It must be horrible to always be left wondering what/if she did something to your baby.
 
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Tofino

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I love how they try to give alternative explanations for Letby’s own behaviour, that Letby couldn’t even give herself.
 
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Dinate

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This is the interview with the couple in the documentary who believe that Letby tried to kill their child. Their story reads scarily like many of the ones we heard during the trial: a baby who collapsed despite being stable and no apparent reason for the collapse found. The baby was transferred to another hospital and the problems ceased. Sadly, he now suffers from unexplained seizures and has been diagnosed with global development delay but there was insufficient evidence to include the case in the trial:


There must be so many other babies who might well have been have her victims and whose lives have been negatively impacted but she will never be brought to account for them. It must be awful for any parents to suspect that their baby's health difficulties or even death might have been due to Letby's actions and that they will never know for sure.
 
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sebanna

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The problem is the documentary is very misleading and the media don't understand the case.
 
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Hazara04

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The channel 4 documentary made it appear as if Dewi Evans was the only prosecution expert and didn't mention the 6 others. Mark Macdonald pretended be couldn't remember Sandy Bohin's name, the misogynistic arsehole.
 
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Tofino

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This is his second crack at it isn’t it but first via CCRC ?
Letby may get ( sadly ) referred as CN has clearly managed it and the pressure is on with her but that’s where it will end as it will get kicked out when scrutinised correctly.
It’s not new it’s just different “ experts “ opinions.
In some ways it would be excellent to have such a detailed rejection of an appeal as we’ve seen today with CN.

And a closing sentence like this.

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