Another excellent video from Dr Susan Oliver
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Brilliant. Been waiting for her to do a video on the insulin poisonings. It's been doing my head in the way the Letbyist try and make out the babies weren't poisoned when they obviously were. Think I might waste too much time trying to understand their loopy arguments.
Letby even admitted herself that the babies had been poisoned with insulin. It just wasn’t her
An extract from the statement of Dr Smith, uploaded to the Thirlwall Inquiry website today......
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I just came here to post the exact same section!
More strange discolouration on two non indictment babies. I feel so sure that sometimes she harmed babies that were actually very unwell and that they would have been much harder to bring to court.
statement from a doctor that attended child P’s resus.Wow Dr Butcher doesn’t hold back 
Oh I’ll go have a read. Seems to be some unfamiliar names in these statements uploaded today.@Tofino very interested to hear your interpretation of the end of Dr Burke’s statement? Does it sound like there’s another set of twins, one unexpectedly collapsing and one with dodgy insulin results? She refers to them as Twin 1 and Twin 2 and they don’t seem to be babies from the trial
i did see Dr Smith had about ten pages redacted from his which I presume is about the two babies not on the indictment but info given to the police.
I remember that two of the non indictment babies were twins. Think one died and one was transferred to another hospital.@Tofino very interested to hear your interpretation of the end of Dr Burke’s statement? Does it sound like there’s another set of twins, one unexpectedly collapsing and one with dodgy insulin results? She refers to them as Twin 1 and Twin 2 and they don’t seem to be babies from the trial
I think it’s twins L&M as she says it was for a baby on the indictment and April 2016 fits the dates too. ETA: oh and the senior colleague was Dr U.@Tofino very interested to hear your interpretation of the end of Dr Burke’s statement? Does it sound like there’s another set of twins, one unexpectedly collapsing and one with dodgy insulin results? She refers to them as Twin 1 and Twin 2 and they don’t seem to be babies from the trial
I do have some further comments on her very thorough statement but I’ve ran out of time for now so will come back to it later
Oh I don’t know how I missed that sorry
I knew I must have got it wrong but couldn’t understand twin 1 and twin 2 
Some comments…
(This is nothing but pure speculation, we will never know)
We have speculated whether Letby was doing this for Dr U’s attention. Maybe she didn’t like him spending time with other female doctors…
We’ve heard this from junior doctors so many times…
Yet again… distraught doctors. One who made sure she left and didn’t make it about herself infront of others. Yet Letby is all ‘I can’t believe it’s meeeee again’.
Can someone please help me with this… I have a vague memory of dr U saying he reassured a doctor in a cubicle about location of chest compressions and liver injury. I can’t find it but don’t the truthers use that for ‘evidence’ of poor care for baby O and the liver injury? Because this Dr is saying that she didn’t know which baby had the liver injury when she asked. And she never looked after baby O. Sorry if this is already known, there is so much info out there I can’t keep up with it all!
Anyway if that is what they say then that another one of their ‘truths’ debunked.
(This is nothing but pure speculation, we will never know)
We have speculated whether Letby was doing this for Dr U’s attention. Maybe she didn’t like him spending time with other female doctors…
We’ve heard this from junior doctors so many times…
Yet again… distraught doctors. One who made sure she left and didn’t make it about herself infront of others. Yet Letby is all ‘I can’t believe it’s meeeee again’.
Can someone please help me with this… I have a vague memory of dr U saying he reassured a doctor in a cubicle about location of chest compressions and liver injury. I can’t find it but don’t the truthers use that for ‘evidence’ of poor care for baby O and the liver injury? Because this Dr is saying that she didn’t know which baby had the liver injury when she asked. And she never looked after baby O. Sorry if this is already known, there is so much info out there I can’t keep up with it all!
Anyway if that is what they say then that another one of their ‘truths’ debunked.
So I received a half arsed response to my complaint about Vines frankly revolting straw poll on Letbys “ guilt v innocence “ poll.
I stated clearly that I understood it came from his non BBC X account but notwithstanding it wasn’t an official channel he was STILL a BBC employee and how do they feel about that ?
Unsurprisingly they trotted out “ not a BBC official channel “ so basically not interested what he does.
Says it all really but you know what I am glad I registered my utter disgust.
He’s a disgrace whatever channel hides behind.
I stated clearly that I understood it came from his non BBC X account but notwithstanding it wasn’t an official channel he was STILL a BBC employee and how do they feel about that ?
Unsurprisingly they trotted out “ not a BBC official channel “ so basically not interested what he does.
Says it all really but you know what I am glad I registered my utter disgust.
He’s a disgrace whatever channel hides behind.
Yes, I've always felt there was more. Probably things that they could not reach the CPS threshold for. Letby was always trying to cover her tracks, so I would not be surprised if there are things that they are pretty certain she has done but they just can't go further with it at this time.
The TrUtHeRs won't like this at all and will be very glad it's buried in some documents, so it won't be reported on whatsoever.
Its also been mentioned previously, I'm not sure if by the same Dr, that they didn't understand the unusualness of these arrests at the time given their inexperience but yea, it just goes to show, how completely bleeping unnatural this was because Letby was doing it!
Worth a listen! A little frustrating at times but overall should make some people think twice about the publicity stunts. And Ken hitting back at the press that misreported his words in their headlines!
Tim Owen defintely comes across as a doubter. It’s only now the parents have responded back strongly (via a proper legal response) he thinks this shouldn’t be played out in public. It’s like he wants the parents to be seen as just as complicit as McDonald. Also they call it ‘alleged’ errors from the expert panel whereas they don’t use ‘alleged’ for the panel’s own words.
I’m only ten mins in, will post if they say anything else interesting
Ken Macdonald KC:
“And I've got a lot of sympathy with what you've just said about the toing and froing of publicity, Tim, because two or three media outlets have repeated a claim that I have said that those experts' evidence completely trashes the prosecution case. In fact, it was Mark Macdonald who said that. What I said on The World at One was that if their conclusions are right, then obviously that would trash the prosecution case because their conclusions are that all of these deaths were either medical negligence or death by natural causes.
But I have never said that they do trash the prosecution case. And like you, I'm content to wait to see how this plays out in court. I don't have a lot of sympathy, I have to say, with the way Lucy Letby's team are running this case in public through press conferences.”
Tim Owen defintely comes across as a doubter. It’s only now the parents have responded back strongly (via a proper legal response) he thinks this shouldn’t be played out in public. It’s like he wants the parents to be seen as just as complicit as McDonald. Also they call it ‘alleged’ errors from the expert panel whereas they don’t use ‘alleged’ for the panel’s own words.
I’m only ten mins in, will post if they say anything else interesting
Ken Macdonald KC:
“And I've got a lot of sympathy with what you've just said about the toing and froing of publicity, Tim, because two or three media outlets have repeated a claim that I have said that those experts' evidence completely trashes the prosecution case. In fact, it was Mark Macdonald who said that. What I said on The World at One was that if their conclusions are right, then obviously that would trash the prosecution case because their conclusions are that all of these deaths were either medical negligence or death by natural causes.
But I have never said that they do trash the prosecution case. And like you, I'm content to wait to see how this plays out in court. I don't have a lot of sympathy, I have to say, with the way Lucy Letby's team are running this case in public through press conferences.”
"I sincerely hope that what happens next is not another press conference"
I do think McDick is in a tricky spot now. I think it is clear a 3rd press conference could seriously backfire on him right now compared to the previous two. I wonder what his next move is because I’m sure he’ll be planning something. CCRC will take at least a year, probably more. He can’t let the public forget it. I wonder if it will just be more drip feeding of ‘experts and evidence’ via his favourite journalists."I sincerely hope that what happens next is not another press conference"
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