Lucy Letby Case #78

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I've listened to you all and am reading further evidence/transcripts. I stated I wasn't convinced when I joined the thread, not that I'm a letby supporter/sympathetiser.
 
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Why follow months and months worth of evidence in court and at inquiry, take in the testimonies of countless experts in their own disciplines, countless eye witness testimony, all the medical evidence of deliberate harm, all the patterns (nights to days, just as parents and nurses left, at handover times) the fully accepted and valid insulin test results that were rigorously explained by different experts including the Dr that runs the testing lab, a very clear paper trail that utterly contradicts the possibility it was a cover up as detailed at inquiry, insane amounts of suspicious behaviour, the fact there is an active investigation and we already know there are incredibly troubling things about her time at LWH (a third of shifts with a life threatening event, water in breathing tubes, 44% of her shifts with tube dislodgements).
When you can take some general statements from a few experts that were cobbled together by somebody that said he simply had to find alternatives, with almost every theory having been floated in court already, where they couldn’t possibly have studied in any depth the evidence and medical records in the few weeks they had before the press conference and have provided little to no evidence for many of their claims such as the blood clots, blood conditions or birth injuries. A press conference which was organised by a slick PR company that is literally hoping to whip up frenzy and influence you in any way they can with no concern for the truth or whether any of this has any chance of getting to court or getting Letby out.
 
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Isn’t it strange how desperate Letby was to stay there with all the bullying, all that death, all those doctors killing babies! Yet her whole life revolved around that hellish unit apparently! Funny how almost every single junior doc that spoke at the inquiry or gave statements said that CoCH was known for being a fantastic and supportive placement. Strange that Letby’s horrendous colleagues that fitted her up are all still having incredible careers, going on to be advanced practitioners and junior docs going on to be consultants.
Yes exactly. Why would she have been so keen to return to the unit if it really was a hotbed of bad practice, systemic failings yadda yadda yadda. She would have asked for a transfer but no she wanted to return. Thank the lord they never let her in the end but it came close
 
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I’m not 100% convinced of her guilt and I completely accept that some of that is because I don’t want it to be true that someone would do something like that. It’s a very complicated case and there are a whole bunch of things which suggest her guilt but no ‘smoking gun’ and a whole bunch of things which most doctors, nurses or researchers will never come across.

She could just be completely unlucky - a crap, manipulative, oddball nurse whose career simply happened to coincide with a whole bunch of difficult to explain medical incidents.

I don’t see how she could have been a scapegoat though- from the enquiry, if the doctors hadn’t raised concerns it doesn’t seem like the management ever would have.
We know from history that people are capable of this. However distressing it is to consider, it's a fact that people have done these type of things before and no doubt it will happen again. So saying you don't want it to be true is pointless.
 
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We know from history that people are capable of this. However distressing it is to consider, it's a fact that people have done these type of things before and no doubt it will happen again. So saying you don't want it to be true is pointless.
I know- the point I’m trying to make (badly probably) is that there is a bit of my brain which does shy away from believing it. The ironic bit is that the press conference has probably pushed me from like 95% to 99% convinced of her guilt.
 
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Yes exactly. Why would she have been so keen to return to the unit if it really was a hotbed of bad practice, systemic failings yadda yadda yadda. She would have asked for a transfer but no she wanted to return. Thank the lord they never let her in the end but it came close
Exactly. She thought she'd got away with it by having the management wrapped around her and her parents' fingers and the consultants on the chopping block - everything in the Thirlwall review suggests the hospital management was doing their best to exonerate her and throw the doctors under the bus to save the hospital's reputation - not make her a scapegoat. And why on earth would she want to go back there except to rub their noses in it and carry on harming babies, knowing that the heat would be off her.
If she'd come back I don't doubt she would have killed again but been even more careful to cover her tracks.
 
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Exactly. She thought she'd got away with it by having the management wrapped around her and her parents' fingers and the consultants on the chopping block - everything in the Thirlwall review suggests the hospital management was doing their best to exonerate her and throw the doctors under the bus to save the hospital's reputation - not make her a scapegoat. And why on earth would she want to go back there except to rub their noses in it and carry on harming babies, knowing that the heat would be off her.
If she'd come back I don't doubt she would have killed again but been even more careful to cover her tracks.
Yeah exactly. But I'm not as sure she would have been massively carefully, she would have thought no one would dare to say anything if bad things carried on happening and give her carte blanched to murder at will. She may have left it a few weeks before she started again but she most definitely would have continued.
 
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There a meeting, when they were planning to bring her back, where the managers said " There will be deaths it's the nature of the unit" and Lucy said " I won't be treated like this again". Chilling, thank God they didn't let her go back.
 
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Exactly. She thought she'd got away with it by having the management wrapped around her and her parents' fingers and the consultants on the chopping block - everything in the Thirlwall review suggests the hospital management was doing their best to exonerate her and throw the doctors under the bus to save the hospital's reputation - not make her a scapegoat. And why on earth would she want to go back there except to rub their noses in it and carry on harming babies, knowing that the heat would be off her.
If she'd come back I don't doubt she would have killed again but been even more careful to cover her tracks.
She made a point of saying that if she came back and there was further collapses or deaths then she wanted to know that she wasn't going to be blamed for them.

She would have been in her element. She would have had a free pass.
 
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