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How refreshing! Some extracts…
Joseph Kotrie-Monson is a baby murderer legal expert, he works on 10% of baby murder cases in the UK, as a criminal defence lawyer and has spoken out after claims from Letby's defence team yesterday stated that no murders took place at all.
"In this case, it was not just the medical evidence upon which the jury convicted. Irrespective of the ins and outs of statistical evidence, the behaviours of Letby presented to the jury, and for which she didn’t have a satisfactory answer must have been highly significant.
"She had medical notes of the dead babies under her bed. She researched the parents of the dead babies. She marked her diary with the initials of the dead babies on the dates of their birth, the point their conditions worsened, and their deaths. And finally there is the small matter of the written confessions from her own diaries.
"It’s worth adding that the law does not require for a jury to be satisfied about the detail of the methods of a killing. The total picture is important, and for medical experts to assume a conviction was unsafe in the absence of hearing all of that evidence of her behaviour and apparently ghoulish obsession with the babies and their families, is a step that goes far beyond their own expertise."
"That said, in the case of Lucy Letby, it is wrong to say that problems with the medical evidence simply render the conviction unsafe. The panel of experts who assume to be able to judge this on the basis of the possibility of alternative explanations that were not provided to the jury simply wrong in this regard."
Liz Hull’s article with the mother.
The mother claimed she had previously emailed Tory MP David Davis, who led the press conference, to complain about his involvement but he had ‘ignored her’.
She accused him of ‘abusing his parliamentary position’ to push for Letby’s freedom.
‘It’s outrageous,’ she said, adding she had contacted the MP after he said he would be happy to talk to any of the families, but he did not reply to her message.
‘I told him exactly who I was and he didn’t respond.’
The mother added that the way Mr Davis introduced Dr Lee as the ‘star of the show’ and used numbers to identify the children in the case just ‘screamed disrespect’.
‘This isn’t a show, this is our real lives,’ she added.
Its simply not possible to be that unlucky. Letby was alone immediately beforehand with the babies or giving IV meds in all instances. She was one of only 2 staff present for both insulin cases. She is noted to be behaving inappropriately around multiple families when their babies are dying. She is noted to be behaving inappropriately by her own colleagues and making strange remarks about death. She gives an account which is at complete odds with baby Es mother, who has called her a liar. Their interaction is crucial because it shows that Letby was harming baby E and giving false reasons for blood around the babies mouth while telling the mother to leave. The mother is not lying. Baby E like many of the babies were noted to be screaming in an unusual manner. The babies that were given Air embolism had sudden unexpected collapses, featuring a rash that was testified about in court over a dozen times. Everyone thought it was very unusual. Letby tried to downplay this rash at every opportunity on court, despite the testimonies of the colleagues. There is a mountain of evidence against Letby, these are just snippets. When Letby was suspected and she first heard about air embolism through her friend Dr, she then filed a datix about a bung warning about the dangers of air embolism. She was then removed after the death of 2/3 triplets. When she is arrested she is in possession of the handovers of nearly every baby in the charges underneath her bed, along with a blood/gas report that her colleague has testified to say she would have disposed of in the confidential wastebin. Letby just happens to stay back and hour and half on that shift, making it possible to obtain it (was used by a Dr to type notes at a computer) not only does she have the handovers but she has scrawled confessions exclaiming she is evil and she killed the babies on purpose. She has a note drafted out to write about the three triplets dying, when only 2 died. Yet she made a comment to a Dr that the other triplet wasn't leaving here alive.
You can believe what you want but Letby is so guilty and evidence presented over 10 months was monumental. There wasn't any doubt. The behaviour was off the scale. She was morbid, had a fascination with death and enjoying forcing herself into parents grief. She also like to search the families on special dates such as birthday and Christmas.
We now know that Letby was lucky to ever become a nurse because her assessor said she was cold, detached and lacking empathy with families and babies. She gave a drug overdose which would have killed a baby if not noticed. Her reaction was to be annoyed that she couldn't give meds and go behind her managers back and get reinstated. Her nurse colleague was distraught. Not Letby thought. She also had to go to management and get a new assessor just to get passed off as a nurse. Her new assessor was conflicted with this but passed Letby off. There was multiple red flags.
None of this was known when she was initially suspected. What a stroke of luck that the nurse that's been present for all these collapses has also displayed all this behaviour. What a stroke of luck that she can be proven to be cotside immediately before all of the unexpected collapses. Then you have multiple nurse colleagues implicating Letby in deaths such as when Letby can suddenly see in the dark and see that a baby is unwell. You have her changing MO, when she is suspected. You have her text messages, downplaying all the deaths and giving incorrect diagnosis for them. You have the collapses and deaths moving from nights to days when she is moved to days, you have no collapses when she goes on holiday for 2 weeks, followed by 2 deaths on subsequent shifts when she returns. She already knows she is returning to care for triplets, as she is messaging colleagues on holiday. From the moment Letby was removed, there was never another unexplained collapse. There wasn't another death.
I could talk all day about the things that show Letby is guilty. Theres a huge stack of medical and behavioural evidence. With each babies case there was so much showing her guilt. It wasn't just the medical experts. It was the witness testimony from parents, Drs, nurse, consultants and from Letby herself.
Just like the mother of baby E said, Letby testifying was the best thing that could have happened because everyone got to see the real Lucy once the mask slipped. Lie after lie. Changing her story from already agreed evidence. Changing her story when new information was put to her. Her selective memory that very conveniently forgets any situations that point to her guilt, so she doesn't have to explain her actions.
There were so many things wrong in terms of Letby's behaviour aside from the murders and actual harm.
* Taking home 257 handover sheets and keeping them for posterity (her first in a keepsake box)
* Writing a confession of killing them on purpose and declaring herself evil.
* Intruding on parents' grief by entering the family room instead of looking after her allocated babies and having to be pulled up on this by the shift leader.
* Her upbeat attitude after the death of the two triplets babies when other staff were very upset and her refusal to take the weekend off.
* Her inappropriate comment he's not leaving here alive is he".
* When questioned by Cheshire police she claimed to not know what an air embolism was. This was part of her specialty training and was a lie.
* Her lie that she didn't have a shredder.
* Looking up grieving parents on Facebook one after another on some days as well as on Christmas Day. In the case of Baby K she hadn't even met the parents but still bothered to do this several months after her death.
* Taking a photo of a condolence card in the place where the baby had died but having written the card at home and then not sending it to the parents.
* Constantly texting off duty colleagues to the extent it was demonstrated she could not have fed the baby in question properly when she had documented that she had given a feed.
* Her lie that she never texted in a clinical area when it was proved she had.
I'm sure there are a lot more "off" things she did which I've forgotten about.
* Taking home 257 handover sheets and keeping them for posterity (her first in a keepsake box)
* Writing a confession of killing them on purpose and declaring herself evil.
* Intruding on parents' grief by entering the family room instead of looking after her allocated babies and having to be pulled up on this by the shift leader.
* Her upbeat attitude after the death of the two triplets babies when other staff were very upset and her refusal to take the weekend off.
* Her inappropriate comment he's not leaving here alive is he".
* When questioned by Cheshire police she claimed to not know what an air embolism was. This was part of her specialty training and was a lie.
* Her lie that she didn't have a shredder.
* Looking up grieving parents on Facebook one after another on some days as well as on Christmas Day. In the case of Baby K she hadn't even met the parents but still bothered to do this several months after her death.
* Taking a photo of a condolence card in the place where the baby had died but having written the card at home and then not sending it to the parents.
* Constantly texting off duty colleagues to the extent it was demonstrated she could not have fed the baby in question properly when she had documented that she had given a feed.
* Her lie that she never texted in a clinical area when it was proved she had.
I'm sure there are a lot more "off" things she did which I've forgotten about.
Motherofpugs
Chatty Member
I for one am quite happy to be biased towards keeping a convicted child serial killer serving multiple life sentences and having already had a rejected appeal firmly behind bars where she belongs 
Disagree, she shows element of sadism. She enjoyed inflicting maximum pain on the parents and babies and then forcing herself into their grief. We know from evidence that she was willing to neglect her own babies in order to force herself into their grief. We know from witnesses testimony that her supervisor had to tell letby to leave a family alone of several occasions. She made the family feel uncomfortable. She did this on more than one occasion, with multiple families. We know from evidence that her assessor was unwilling to pass Letby off as a nurse as she felt she was cold, detached and lacking empathy with babies and families. That was a red flag. She also showed a lack of remorse when she nearly killed a baby with a morphine overdose. Her colleague was distraught but Letbys only concern was that she would not be allowed to give meds. She also tried to take a baby that had not yet passed away from a family. Letby definitely has elements of sadism. We also know from evidence that there was an unusual amount of throat injuries and bleeding on these babies which could not be accounted for. She was physically harming babies aswell as using medical means. It was the opinion of multiple experts that Letby physically harmed these babies. She also chose to harm these babies on specific dates such as 100 days, or leaving dates, knowing this would inflict maximum pain. She then searched for the parents of anniversary's and birth dates. She did this while having the families personal details to hand, underneath her bed, after she took their handover sheets home. The same handovers she moved properties with on at least 5 occasions.
Disagree, she shows element of sadism and cluster B personality disorder - anti social for sure, but possibly also narcissistic PD.
So, one thing we know from these disorders is that children who develop them don’t have well-developed inner worlds. Their motives for doing things are usually quite childish - winning or losing, feeling angry, feeling bored, feeling that things are unfair, wanting to be ‘seen’, wanting praise. (The kinds of motives 4 to 8 year old children have which causes them to act out).
So, I think that whatever motive LL has will be quite emotionally immature and based on frustrating, anger or jealousy. I’m guessing she is an adult with adult reasoning and powers in the emotional brain of a 4 to 8 year old.
She also enjoyed inflicting maximum pain on the parents and babies and then forcing herself into their grief. We know from evidence that she was willing to neglect her own babies in order to get to babies that were unwell, where she had no business . We know from witnesses testimony that her supervisor had to tell letby to leave a family alone on several occasions. She made the family feel uncomfortable. She did this on more than one occasion, with multiple families. We know from evidence that her assessor was unwilling to pass Letby off as a nurse as she felt she was cold, detached and lacking empathy with babies and families. That was a red flag. She also showed a lack of remorse when she nearly killed a baby with a morphine overdose. Her colleague was distraught but Letbys only concern was that she would not be allowed to give meds. This happened with other colleagues during the deaths in 2015/2016. Colleagues distraught, some taking time away from work because of what they had witnessed but not Letby. The person that was on shift for all these events refused to take time away when offered it. She also did not understand when her supervisor attempted to move Letby away from room 1, reasoning that they like to rotate nurses because its a high stress environment. Letby, a 26 year old adult, could not understand these reasons. She believed that she should have been there. She didn't get it. Instead she felt jealous that her colleague was chosen to take care of this particular baby. I think this gives us an insight into her psychopathy. Letby was only a band 5 and not the super nurse, we were led to believe at the outset of the trial. She barely scraped by and her grades were lacking. She showed a lack of awareness of drug dosages, she was very lucky to pass her nurse degree after going to management to get a different assessor. She was cold, detached and lacking empathy, yet she had a belief that she knew better and she should be in charge of the sickest babies, all of the time. We know she found nursing non emergency babies boring. When she didn't get her own way, she orchestred circumstances, she caused collapses of her colleagues babies because she hadn't been assigned them. Just like she said, I killed them because I'm not good enough to care for them.
IMO she has a sort of compulsion to cause these collapses to gain attention in an extreme manner. She wants to be seen as a martyr and a victim herself.
She revels in the patients collapse and subsequent rusus efforts. She then enjoys the shared grief.
She also tried to take a baby that had not yet passed away from a family. Letby definitely has elements of sadism. We also know from evidence that there was an unusual amount of throat injuries and bleeding on these babies which could not be accounted for. She was physically harming babies aswell as using medical means. It was the opinion of multiple experts that Letby physically harmed these babies. She also chose to harm these babies of specific dates such as 100 days, or leaving dates, knowing this would inflict maximum pain. She then searched for the parents of anniversary's and birth dates. She did this while having the families personal details to hand, underneath her bed, after she took their handover sheets home. The same handovers she moved properties with on at least 5 occasions
Baby G, made slow improvement over her 100 days, the staff made her a banner and cake to celebrate. What are the chances that she suffers this collapse on this specific date? She was overfed milk, we know this from the evidence, Letby was there as always. As she always was at every collapse of baby G. These babies never once suffered a collapse when a parent was present even though they were there day/night. The babies collapsed when the parents stepped away for a moment, or when Letby took over when a colleague stepped out.
The weight of evidence as a whole was monumental and that's why every single juror convicted Letby of murder. The jury listened to everything Letby had to saw, first hand. They were there and witnessed it.
They rejected what she said and decided that she was a liar and
a murderer.
I’m over people believing the scapegoat thing. By all means, have your doubt about the medical evidence (and be willing to explain that) but to believe the hospital tried to cover it up to save their skin is the worst opinion to have considering the therwill enquiry is literally just mounds and mounds and mounds of the senior managers trying to protect her and reinstate her on the ward.
it’s actually quite embarrassing to have that opinion when all this information if free to read by a quick google
it’s actually quite embarrassing to have that opinion when all this information if free to read by a quick google
Shinythings
VIP Member
I'm absolutely sick of all the random public who jump in this bandwagon. They all have these things in common:
- didn't actually follow the trial or enquiry
- forget that it's not just one child, but multiple children. They can't all be wrong.
- keep banging on about one piece of evidence even though it was multiple, multiple pieces of evidence that show she's guilty
- can't actually explain why it was a miscarriage of justice and just shout 'read the evidence, educate yourself' because they don't actually know.
- can't explain why the defence isn't actually putting anything forward.
Gets in my absolute tits. The poor families.
- didn't actually follow the trial or enquiry
- forget that it's not just one child, but multiple children. They can't all be wrong.
- keep banging on about one piece of evidence even though it was multiple, multiple pieces of evidence that show she's guilty
- can't actually explain why it was a miscarriage of justice and just shout 'read the evidence, educate yourself' because they don't actually know.
- can't explain why the defence isn't actually putting anything forward.
Gets in my absolute tits. The poor families.
I'm hoping the reason so many people believe she's innocent is because they simply can't let their brains fathom that someone, let alone a nurse in a position of trust, could do something so horrible to innocent babies. Its easier for them to believe she's been set up.
Of course most of us live in the real world and know that evil people come in all shapes / sizes / and professions.
I actually saw a comment saying they could believe Beverly Allit but not Lucy just based off looks.... this is the sort of logic we are dealing with. There's no reasoning with people like that.
Of course most of us live in the real world and know that evil people come in all shapes / sizes / and professions.
I actually saw a comment saying they could believe Beverly Allit but not Lucy just based off looks.... this is the sort of logic we are dealing with. There's no reasoning with people like that.
It’s not possible for anyone on here to block you from a thread.
Can’t speak for anyone else but I literally don’t care about the ‘reputation’ of this thread. I’m quite comfortable with my view that Letby is guilty of killing and harming babies. I can offer plenty to back up my opinion and if someone wants to challenge it they can do. But if I disagree with it, I’m going to reply. Why do you think your comments should stand unchallenged if someone disagrees with them?
There are other places that are pro-Letby and other places that believe in her guilt like here. Reddit has at least 3 different Letby subs and they all lean one way or the other. I think it’s just the nature of how divisive this case has become that people find the place with similar views to them. It’s not isolated to here, you just don’t like it here because you disagree with the majority that post here regularly.
Motherofpugs
Chatty Member
I’m aware that all this noise is an absolute load of unfounded bollocks but reading all the comments from the general public on the news articles and social media posts 
What the actual fuck? I just don’t understand how this has spread to this extent from a few dedicated LL stans and crack pots initially to it now popping up on my timeline weekly and in mainstream newspapers and politicians. I guess people just love a conspiracy theory these days. I find it so distressing to read to be honest with you, it worries me so much that so many people are being swayed. I just don’t get it at all. I followed the trial day in day out just like all of you and it’s surely plain to see that she’s an evil baby serial killer. The extent they are having to go to to attempt to prove otherwise and the things they are having to ignore to justify their views - just madness.
Sorry guys haven’t been on here in a while but I always read and have been following quietly. Anyone else despairing at this all like me?
Those poor poor families of the babies, it must be killing them seeing all this.
What the actual fuck? I just don’t understand how this has spread to this extent from a few dedicated LL stans and crack pots initially to it now popping up on my timeline weekly and in mainstream newspapers and politicians. I guess people just love a conspiracy theory these days. I find it so distressing to read to be honest with you, it worries me so much that so many people are being swayed. I just don’t get it at all. I followed the trial day in day out just like all of you and it’s surely plain to see that she’s an evil baby serial killer. The extent they are having to go to to attempt to prove otherwise and the things they are having to ignore to justify their views - just madness. Sorry guys haven’t been on here in a while but I always read and have been following quietly. Anyone else despairing at this all like me?
Those poor poor families of the babies, it must be killing them seeing all this.It’s not a good look is it? Looks like the parents of the babies know about it tooHow vile & embarrassing, and to think they used to be on here all the time posting…
Lucy Letby supporters throw sick birthday party for baby killer with giant cake
Lucy Letby supporters who met via a Facebook group gathered at a pub on Clapham Common with prosecco, cake and homemade banners to toast the baby killer's 35th birthdaywww.mirror.co.uk
“it was not a birthday party but we toasted her, had cake and put up banners”
fucking idiots.
In responses, shown to The Telegraph by the podcast Was There Ever A Crime: The Trials of Lucy Letby, Dr Evans said: “Lee’s questions are easy to answer, but I’m not very keen on participating in ‘appeal via press conference’.
“It’s not how scientific and clinical research is presented. And it’s not how the formal legal process functions.”
Dr Evans claimed he had identified “several problems” in the care of the babies, which were “all disclosed in my reports and evidence”.
He added: “I disagree with Lee’s assertion that I was ‘selective’. Quite the contrary. This is why I asked to review all the deaths and collapses from 2015 and 2016, not just the ’suspicious’ or ‘unexpected’ ones, or the ones where Letby was on duty.
“That’s why I told the police that if they had a ’suspect’, I didn’t want to know. I only heard about Letby in July 2018, when she was arrested for the first time.
“I identified malfeasance because the evidence pointed to it.”
“It’s not how scientific and clinical research is presented. And it’s not how the formal legal process functions.”
Dr Evans claimed he had identified “several problems” in the care of the babies, which were “all disclosed in my reports and evidence”.
He added: “I disagree with Lee’s assertion that I was ‘selective’. Quite the contrary. This is why I asked to review all the deaths and collapses from 2015 and 2016, not just the ’suspicious’ or ‘unexpected’ ones, or the ones where Letby was on duty.
“That’s why I told the police that if they had a ’suspect’, I didn’t want to know. I only heard about Letby in July 2018, when she was arrested for the first time.
“I identified malfeasance because the evidence pointed to it.”
Honestly this is one of the best articles I’ve ever read
It sums up the entire sorry mess perfectly
Imagine for a moment that Shoo Lee is right and none of the deaths and collapses was due to foul play and many of them were due to the incompetence of doctors. How did we get from there to here? How did an innocent nurse end up in prison?
…It would require a group of doctors who were under no suspicion whatsoever to panic about a spike in deaths in their hospital that most people in Chester, let alone the rest of the country, were completely unaware of. It would mean that despite a review by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in 2016 that did not point the finger of blame at any doctors, they nevertheless decided to feed a colleague to the wolves. And luckily for them, there was a nurse who just so happened to have been at every unexplained collapse and death in the past year or so, with these incidents following her from the night shift to the day shift and stopping whenever she went on holiday. Just as fortunately, this young woman, who had once failed her final-year student nurse placement because she lacked empathy, also had a habit of falsifying medical records, misleading colleagues and looking strangely excited when infants died.
These doctors then raised concerns with NHS managers who didn’t want to know and who actively discouraged them from looking into the spike in deaths. And yet still – inexplicably – they proceeded to pursue this innocent woman until they got the police involved, even though it meant having to answer tough questions in court, making their hospital world famous for harbouring a serial killer, and ultimately resulting in a public inquiry into why they failed to stop her.
In a further stroke of luck, it turned out that the nurse they used as a scapegoat because of the unlikely coincidence of her invariable presence at every suspicious event – to the extent that she was nicknamed Nurse Death by junior doctors – also happened to be obsessed with looking up the parents of dead babies on Facebook. She also stole 257 handover sheets from the hospital, which she took with her whenever she moved house and kept a selection of in a bedroom at her parent’s house in a box marked ‘KEEP’. She did this despite claiming that these pieces of paper meant nothing to her and despite having a paper shredder which she later told the police she didn’t own. Better still, she had been writing notes saying things like ‘I AM EVIL I DID THIS’ and ‘I killed them on purpose’ and she started imagining a life in prison long before there was any suggestion of a criminal investigation.
Once the criminal investigation was underway, dozens of collapses and deaths were scrutinised in great detail and yet, in a final stroke of good fortune for the doctors, nothing pointed the finger of blame at them. The nurse went to prison and the doctors lived happily ever after, apart from all the Letbyists calling them liars and murderers.
It sums up the entire sorry mess perfectly
Imagine for a moment that Shoo Lee is right and none of the deaths and collapses was due to foul play and many of them were due to the incompetence of doctors. How did we get from there to here? How did an innocent nurse end up in prison?
…It would require a group of doctors who were under no suspicion whatsoever to panic about a spike in deaths in their hospital that most people in Chester, let alone the rest of the country, were completely unaware of. It would mean that despite a review by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health in 2016 that did not point the finger of blame at any doctors, they nevertheless decided to feed a colleague to the wolves. And luckily for them, there was a nurse who just so happened to have been at every unexplained collapse and death in the past year or so, with these incidents following her from the night shift to the day shift and stopping whenever she went on holiday. Just as fortunately, this young woman, who had once failed her final-year student nurse placement because she lacked empathy, also had a habit of falsifying medical records, misleading colleagues and looking strangely excited when infants died.
These doctors then raised concerns with NHS managers who didn’t want to know and who actively discouraged them from looking into the spike in deaths. And yet still – inexplicably – they proceeded to pursue this innocent woman until they got the police involved, even though it meant having to answer tough questions in court, making their hospital world famous for harbouring a serial killer, and ultimately resulting in a public inquiry into why they failed to stop her.
In a further stroke of luck, it turned out that the nurse they used as a scapegoat because of the unlikely coincidence of her invariable presence at every suspicious event – to the extent that she was nicknamed Nurse Death by junior doctors – also happened to be obsessed with looking up the parents of dead babies on Facebook. She also stole 257 handover sheets from the hospital, which she took with her whenever she moved house and kept a selection of in a bedroom at her parent’s house in a box marked ‘KEEP’. She did this despite claiming that these pieces of paper meant nothing to her and despite having a paper shredder which she later told the police she didn’t own. Better still, she had been writing notes saying things like ‘I AM EVIL I DID THIS’ and ‘I killed them on purpose’ and she started imagining a life in prison long before there was any suggestion of a criminal investigation.
Once the criminal investigation was underway, dozens of collapses and deaths were scrutinised in great detail and yet, in a final stroke of good fortune for the doctors, nothing pointed the finger of blame at them. The nurse went to prison and the doctors lived happily ever after, apart from all the Letbyists calling them liars and murderers.
dorydaryl
VIP Member
Like everyone else, and I know I'm repeating, but I'm so sick of these Johnny-come-lately 'experts' picking small bits out of the whole context of the trial(s) and trying to make them into huge chunks of 'evidence'. Yes, juries have been wrong- and misled- before but it is the total gravitas and context of the case that makes the whole. That LL is not the 'typical' prototype of a serial killer adds fuel to the embers (let's not call it a 'fire' as I don't want to give them credit for stoking a fire). What even is that 'prototype'? Yes, serial killers have some common characteristic behaviours and histories but that's not enough to exclude her. I firmly believe Letby has totally dissociated herself from that aspect of her behaviour, which has made it so much easier for her to deceive because she has convinced herself that she's innocent. I admit to not being as familiar with the finer details as many of you here are but as most of us who've participated in this thread agree, it's not just about the stats or any individual baby/ incident; it's about the composite weight of everything painstakingly put together over a very lengthy time period. Like any sane person, I also feel it for the families of those children, including those who never even had their potential case tested in court. It must be torture for them.
Ghostranch
Well-known member
Honestly feel so drained by it all, especially as a friend of mine, and someone I actually really respect, is convinced of her innocence and constantly posting about it on social media. 
Can't even imagine what the families are feeling right now.
I keep finding myself hoping for more charges, which seems like such an awful thing to want... I obviously don't want her to have harmed or killed others, but what I mean is, if she has, I hope they have gathered enough evidence to charge her soon.
Can't even imagine what the families are feeling right now.
I keep finding myself hoping for more charges, which seems like such an awful thing to want... I obviously don't want her to have harmed or killed others, but what I mean is, if she has, I hope they have gathered enough evidence to charge her soon.