Lucy Letby Case #78

[Whythough]

@Whythough

Okay, maybe splitting stuff up might help me explain what I'm asking you.

A) During the trial even the defence accepted that insulin was used in a way that harmed babies. Is your vague 'oh it's all too complicated, things happen, safeguarding the insulin means Letby didn't do it' meaning that
1) no babies were actually harmed by insulin or
2) your personal incredulity that someone was capable of circumventing the safeguards means Letby didn't do anything wrong (disregarding the fact that some safeguards must have failed for babies to have been harmed).

B) I can understand that dislodgments happen for various reasons. I would expect those reasons to be equal opportunity chances. Letby had a shocking rate in comparison to other nurses (I'm incredibly lazy and not looking up the number, not sure if it's in the wiki or the source is somewhere in a previous thread, I am having a bath after hoiking shit about all day). Do you have any feeling as to why her rate was so high (NOT why dislodgments happen)?

Bloody hell I'm a wordy person! Sorry, but I am trying to be very clear in what I am asking.

Of course!
So what I'm suggesting is potentially no babies were actually harmed by insulin and it could have been other conditions such as Transient hyperinsulinaemic hypoglycaemia.
Could be lack of experience/competence or unit pressures. Vented babies should be 1-1 if it was busy and she had other babies this could also have been a factor.

 

[Whythough]

A few seconds yes. Would you leave a 25 weeker who was intubated for 30 seconds?

If a 25 weeker was desaturating I'd increase the oxygen look for chest rise and go through the DOPE mnemonic and ask for help

 

[Futtrit]

They said sexual harrased because of the commando comment and how can he look his wife and daughter in the eye.

So they're talking about Dr Cockington rather than BNE?

 

[didisaythatoutloudoops]

I keep seeing TikToks claiming that the prosecutor's claim that 'Lucy Letby was on shift for every incident' is false - that they only counted 25 incidents when there were really 61.

Does anyone know where this has come from? If this was the case, surely, it would have been part of the original trial.

 

[Refracton]

Venous Air Embolism During Air/Fluid Exchange: A Potentially Fatal Complication https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja..._engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=021525

Does this work?

 

[Refracton]

BMj one has a thread in reddit if link won't work.

 

[Whythough]

Out of curiosity you say some of the evidence doesn’t add up, so is there anything that makes you doubt her if have read all the evidence ?
And as a neonatal nurse, how many handover sheets have you taken home and kept in a box saying don’t destroy?
I do think the crimes as so heinous that people don’t want to believe anyone is capable of them.

That the babies could have died due to systematic failings, poor medical and nursing care, not murder. Nothing new to what has been recently said in the press.
There are other explanations for how air ended up in the stomachs, veins etc.
Funnily enough I haven't saved any in a box like that!
I think she was a deeply troubled individual but I'm not 100% convinced she's guilty and that's all I'm trying to say.

 

[Soloand Osokosi]

Interesting update on the DM trial podcast with Tim Owen KC ( the voice of reason ) and also debunking the macdonald press conference.

Also mentions the DD parliament BS regarding the so called flawed graph, and the other 6 babies who died who were not on the indictment.

She was on duty for 12 of the 13 deaths … funnily enough when they talked to him didn’t comment on the actual facts of the case he just referred them to the statisticians !
I give up !

Sounds interesting, do you have a link please?

 

[Tofino]

Venous Air Embolism During Air/Fluid Exchange: A Potentially Fatal Complication https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja..._engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=021525

Does this work?

No but I’ve googled it and it’s still not working, it must be the ‘jamanetwork’ address. Are you in the UK?

 

[Whythough]

The blood tests done proved, due to the c-peptide levels that it was synthetic insulin. Both defence and prosecution accepted this an agreed fact. Letby’s own defence for the insulin poisoning was that it happened, it just wasn’t her.
I believe the drs reviewed the medical records and ruled out the other things you have mentioned.

Also, I don’t want this to feel like a pile on btw! There is a very heavy “she’s guilty” opinion on here (like we get told ) and often when people come here to explain they’re not convinced/she’s innocent they never actually engage afterwards so thank you for coming with explanations, experiences and reasons for why you’re unsure.

Not sure if you've read this

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...er-lucy-letby-insulin-convictions-experts-say

I think they couldn't do further tests as samples had been discarded.

 

[Whythough]

There really is no point saying anything else is there because you're not willing to listen to any other views?

Sick babies desaturate and babies that Premature will often have significant apneas. Waiting to see if they self correct isn't uncommon.

What do you make of six of the seven babies found to have been murdered had postmortems at Alder Hey hospital?
These pathologists had had the advantage of physically examining the babies and reported no unnatural findings. But these were disregarded?