Lucy Letby Case #76

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It's here in the book, they ask experts about baby L's C peptide results.
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I'm impressed with the book. It's very well researched and explains the medical evidence well.
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Oh and Karen Rees says in the back that she's suing SB for slander, about the conversation where she said she was happy for Letby to remain on the unit following baby Ps death.
I feel fairly sure you can’t sue a witness for something they said in court. And even if she tried, the fact that she didn’t remove Letby shows that on the balance of probabilities (legal test for defamation) is that she did have that conversation even if not directly those words. She’s already confirmed he did call her and ask her to remove Letby.

What an idiot.
 
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For sure there are more victims.
Lucy will never confess, let’s just be glad all legal paths have been explored and denied, she is away for life now.

The armchair detectives will find other ‘miscarriages’ of justice to occupy themselves soon.

Lucy will remain the infamous Baby Killer, her name alongside the Wests, Hindley, Ripper, etc.

One would hope she is haunted by those little lives she extinguished but I think recalling them brings her joy.

She’s only young so she has a long life ahead of her behind bars. Who will visit her once her parents pass away. The Poundshop Poirots won’t!
 
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That NG one called Barbara Lyon. duck me she is so painfully dense. She still think that the bleeping vermin is going to be exonerated one day 🤦🏻‍♀️
She’s absolutely off her rocker! 🤭 She must share a single brain cell with that other idiot, Christopher 🤕
 
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She's going to be charged with more offences at some point in the future imo, I'm convinced of it
I really hope you're right and I hope there are charges from her time at LWH as this will help to shut up the likes of Jeremy Vine, David Davis et al. Two hospitals will disprove all the BS about COCH failings.
 
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I really hope you're right and I hope there are charges from her time at LWH as this will help to shut up the likes of Jeremy Vine, David Davis et al. Two hospitals will disprove all the BS about COCH failings.
The book states they spoke to a source about her earlier placement at LWH in 2012, who said there was a number of concerning incidents and the number of events was ridiculously high. This period at LWH appears to be an active line of inquiry for operation Hummingbird so little has been said.
 
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I often wonder if she will extinguish herself at some point rather than sit in there for 60 years or however long until she naturally expires
 
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Mr Beacon is reading Judith Moritz's book and the soundtrack is basically "holy tit! What the duck?" He's just got to the Triplets 😬😬😬 he knew a bit about the case but not all the details.
 
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This is interesting about concerns with none indictment babies. The book also explains that following Lucy's removal from the NNU only one baby died on the unit in seven years.
I'm a bit behind, sorry, but I've been working NNU adjacent for hospitals in our local area for ten years now and I can count on one hand the number of babies we've lost all those years. These people that assume premature babies just die all the time are so wrong.
 
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Is the book worth buying or have we heard everything already ?
it’s strange the order of witnesses you would have thought all the consultants would have been heard together, yet we havent heard from Dr Stephen Brearey or Dr Javi jayaram yet.
 
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Is the book worth buying or have we heard everything already ?
it’s strange the order of witnesses you would have thought all the consultants would have been heard together, yet we havent heard from Dr Stephen Brearey or Dr Javi jayaram yet.
I've found the last couple of chapters particularly interesting as the authors have interviewed a lot of experts. The insulin evidence is very well explained. The first chapter is about Letby’s background and it then tells the story of what happened to the babies. I've not had chance to read the middle chapters yet.
 
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I often wonder if she will extinguish herself at some point rather than sit in there for 60 years or however long until she naturally expires
I don’t think she’s got the guts to do herself in. Maybe once her parents pass on she’ll say that she wishes to die and try and starve herself for attention like Ian Brady did. Hopefully then she gets force fed like he did so she can continue her miserable existence until she naturally expires.
 
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Hahaha I’ve just seen the Twitter lot think the appeal judges making clear in the written judgment that they were only ruling on baby K is a positive sign and that the judges are distancing themselves from the original verdicts.

Rather than the judges are aware of the hysteria around the “miscarriage of justice” nonsense and need to spell it out for the thick people at the back what the hearing was about.
 
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Hahaha I’ve just seen the Twitter lot think the appeal judges making clear in the written judgment that they were only ruling on baby K is a positive sign and that the judges are distancing themselves from the original verdicts.

Rather than the judges are aware of the hysteria around the “miscarriage of justice” nonsense and need to spell it out for the thick people at the back what the hearing was about.
They are so thick. The appeal was only for baby K, the judges were not there to judge the other verdicts.
 
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Mr Beacon is reading Judith Moritz's book and the soundtrack is basically "holy tit! What the duck?" He's just got to the Triplets 😬😬😬 he knew a bit about the case but not all the details.
My mum is the same. I’ve been on at her to engage with the case as I have really wavered over guilty/not guilty in the early days and I’ve wanted to know her opinion as she is pretty much always on the money. It was the same with her - the triplets left her in absolutely no doubt she’s guilty as hell.
 
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Some of the cult are saying that the defence deliberately blew this week's appeal so they can show the CCRC they were denied an appeal making it easier to get a review.
 
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Some of the cult are saying that the defence deliberately blew this week's appeal so they can show the CCRC they were denied an appeal making it easier to get a review.
I had wondered if this was a tick box exercise - do they need to exhaust the appeals process before going to CCRC? but clearly Myers didn’t have much to go on. And CCRC is notoriously harder to overcome so Myers wouldn’t have deliberately held back if he had any actual valid appeal arguments.
 
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I had wondered if this was a tick box exercise - do they need to exhaust the appeals process before going to CCRC? but clearly Myers didn’t have much to go on. And CCRC is notoriously harder to overcome so Myers wouldn’t have deliberately held back if he had any actual valid appeal arguments.
My understanding is this: they do need to go to appeal to be able to then go to the CCRC. But this was their chance to appeal what happened during the Baby K trial. They can't now appeal against the judge's directions or anything that was dismissed or refused by the judge since they have now had opportunities to do so. There was nothing to be gained by not presenting other grounds if there were any. Same goes for all the other convictions. So the CCRC will only consider new evidence that was not available to the courts in the trials. I can only see this being compelling new medical evidence or serious misconduct by the prosecution.

For me the basic principle seems to be that you can't keep asking for the same evidence to be tried using different defence strategies until you get the verdict you want.
 
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My understanding is this: they do need to go to appeal to be able to then go to the CCRC. But this was their chance to appeal what happened during the Baby K trial. They can't now appeal against the judge's directions or anything that was dismissed or refused by the judge since they have now had opportunities to do so. There was nothing to be gained by not presenting other grounds if there were any. Same goes for all the other convictions. So the CCRC will only consider new evidence that was not available to the courts in the trials. I can only see this being compelling new medical evidence or serious misconduct by the prosecution.

For me the basic principle seems to be that you can't keep asking for the same evidence to be tried using different defence strategies until you get the verdict you want.
So Mark Mcdonald can't use the insulin evidence or the air embolism rash to order a retrial. Its going to hard going, a "Superbug" that no baby had and a chart which looks more damning for Lucy when you add the non indictment deaths on.
 
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