Caved and asked about the missing day 
Poor communication between all the different hospitals, departments and professionals is the reason she was able to get away with it for so long.Makes you question though doesn’t it why the 40% rate of dislodged tubes wasn’t picked up by someone at Liverpool and handed back over to someone at CoCH. Surely someone correlated all these dislodged tubes suddenly with a new nurse who was there on a temporary placement?![]()
I think this might be something that could come out of the inquiry… how are hospitals capturing/reviewing stats on non-fatal incidents. Even the non-fatal collapses at COCH we’re not really recorded properly, it was only really deaths they were reviewing if you consider EP’s spreadsheet. Even baby B slipped off the radar pretty quickly.Makes you question though doesn’t it why the 40% rate of dislodged tubes wasn’t picked up by someone at Liverpool and handed back over to someone at CoCH. Surely someone correlated all these dislodged tubes suddenly with a new nurse who was there on a temporary placement?![]()
Wouldn't you have thought that, if consultants raised concerns, they should have gone to the police at that point, let them investigate. Not naming Letby at all. Explain to the staff that the police have been called to investigate so many deaths. They wouldn't have had to accuse anyone of anything, just let the police look into it.Shocking attitude yet again from the senior nurses
![]()
Unfair to accuse Letby without proof - inquiry
An inquiry led by Lady Justice Thirlwall looks into how Letby was able to murder and harm babies.www.bbc.co.uk
I agree. And also if there are unexpected deaths, get the police in straight away.I think this might be something that could come out of the inquiry… how are hospitals capturing/reviewing stats on non-fatal incidents. Even the non-fatal collapses at COCH we’re not really recorded properly, it was only really deaths they were reviewing if you consider EP’s spreadsheet. Even baby B slipped off the radar pretty quickly.
Yes totally agree. I can understand the reluctance to go in all guns blazing as potentially if you’re wrong you could be accused of harassment, malice etc etc and get fired yourself. As we’ve seen, Letby was initially successful with her grievance. It needs to be an automatic after so many unexpected events occur this is what we do so it can’t be seen as a personal vendetta.Wouldn't you have thought that, if consultants raised concerns, they should have gone to the police at that point, let them investigate. Not naming Letby at all. Explain to the staff that the police have been called to investigate so many deaths. They wouldn't have had to accuse anyone of anything, just let the police look into it.
---
I agree. And also if there are unexpected deaths, get the police in straight away.
Probably just glad to get rid of herMakes you question though doesn’t it why the 40% rate of dislodged tubes wasn’t picked up by someone at Liverpool and handed back over to someone at CoCH. Surely someone correlated all these dislodged tubes suddenly with a new nurse who was there on a temporary placement?![]()
Alder Hey is a placement hospital for student nurses from Edge Hill and Liverpool John Moores as well as Chester. It might host students from other unis as well, I don't know. So there will be a constant stream of students arriving and departing, and as the standard working pattern for a ward nurse is three 12.5 hour shifts a week (sometimes rotating from days to nights and vice versa) it will have been difficult for the established members of the team to make the connection. Many of them probably never even saw Letby given their disparate shift patterns, and to those who did see her she'll have been one of a crowd of frequently rotating students. It's like this at big tertiary hospitals. At CoCH the consultants made the connection because it was a small unit and they knew everyone.Makes you question though doesn’t it why the 40% rate of dislodged tubes wasn’t picked up by someone at Liverpool and handed back over to someone at CoCH. Surely someone correlated all these dislodged tubes suddenly with a new nurse who was there on a temporary placement?![]()
Oh, I thought it was at Liverpool Women’s where the 40% stat came from, but your explanation does make sense. Although, if she was there as a student you’d think they’d be observing and keeping an eye on how her shifts went.Alder Hey is a placement hospital for student nurses from Edge Hill and Liverpool John Moores as well as Chester. It might host students from other unis as well, I don't know. So there will be a constant stream of students arriving and departing, and as the standard working pattern for a ward nurse is three 12.5 hour shifts a week (sometimes rotating from days to nights and vice versa) it will have been difficult for the established members of the team to make the connection. Many of them probably never even saw Letby given their disparate shift patterns, and to those who did see her she'll have been one of a crowd of frequently rotating students. It's like this at big tertiary hospitals. At CoCH the consultants made the connection because it was a small unit and they knew everyone.
Ok I’m actually relieved because the bbc article sounded like it could have been written by Knapton it was so full of “nobody saw anything” type things so it’s good to see that there was some reflection!
I'm guessing we won't hear much in the media from a number of those giving evidenceOk I’m actually relieved because the bbc article sounded like it could have been written by Knapton it was so full of “nobody saw anything” type things so it’s good to see that there was some reflection!
No mention of Karen at all. Hope it’s not another missing day of evidence.
I can understand there being issues with the unnamed nurses the other day and there being redactions in some of the testimony like there was in Noname’s but would hope we can hear at least something of what Rees has said today!I'm guessing we won't hear much in the media from a number of those giving evidence
How were her eyebrows Tay?It has just shown Karen Rees giving evidence at the inquiry on BBC News.