I missed this the other day. Dr Noname’s input on Letby’s re validation.
This is the worst bit - dated 30th June 2016
“Lucy quickly identified a deteriorating clinical scenario”
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I missed this the other day. Dr Noname’s input on Letby’s re validation.
This is the worst bit - dated 30th June 2016
“Lucy quickly identified a deteriorating clinical scenario”
PositivelyVonnegutesque
Active member
I am still reeling after that overdose revelation. It is obvious she should have been nowhere near patients from the start.
And her reaction to it about how SHE felt vulnerable. No. She was the one in the position of power and yet makes herself the focus of the concern and sympathy amongst others. There is not a shred of regret for the harm she caused or could have caused. Cold, manipulative, self-pitying horror that she is.
And her reaction to it about how SHE felt vulnerable. No. She was the one in the position of power and yet makes herself the focus of the concern and sympathy amongst others. There is not a shred of regret for the harm she caused or could have caused. Cold, manipulative, self-pitying horror that she is.
MmmB777
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Is there anything in that letter about the actual deaths and how traumatic that has been and the steps she’s taken to help get over them? That she wanted to work in a less intensive nursery to protect her mental health? That she hoped there would be answers for the families and that the unit could go back to previous years with deaths being a rarity? Nothing about collectively working on improvement and good patient outcomes not babies cardiac arresting and dying out of nowhere all the time. Whenever she’s on shift 🫥
Takemetoyourbuffet
Chatty Member
Thanks for your input Jan, we won't be needing your oral evidence.
AManWalksDownTheStreet
Active member
HAHAHA I love that all the latest headlines are about the fact she failed her placement. Being called a shit nurse will piss her off far more than being called a murderer
MmmB777
VIP Member
Completely abnormal for her to not want some quieter easier shifts after the horrors of A&B. Total psycho behaviour.
AllieBee
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I think the most pertinent point for me was that she doesn't do reflective practice or learn from it, and that she basically blundered through not asking for help or advice. She probably saw herself as perfect, someone who didn't need to reflect or ask for help, because she knew it all. I bet with hindsight, Nicola is so glad that she failed her but I bet the nurse who passed her feels dreadfully bad now.
oldjamfan
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Talk about refusing to accept responsibility. Fucking hell.
What an absolute fucking arsehole. Can’t even apologise
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well yes, that’s the point. He needs a lawyer because he’s a lying, cheating bastard that broke patient and employee confidentiality numerous times to reassure a young, single nurse with “anxiety” who he knew was removed from duties due to concern about her involvement with the deaths of babies. So when I say I can’t believe it I mean, it’s just all round appalling behaviour that’s so significant he needed his own lawyer.
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MmmB777
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Just have to say that Ashleigh Hudson comes across as so so bright, warm and professional. She is everything Letby is not! This idea letby was senior and the others didn’t know what they were doing is utter garbage. They’ve all gone on to have great careers. All those junior docs who had their care put under a microscope at the trial and got scrutinised are all consultants and some have obviously gone on to take safeguarding roles to help stop this happening again. Ashleigh says she was so junior she thought that it was the norm and babies regularly collapsed and now she knows that is not true, which is voiced by loads of the other staff too. She has been the best one to articulate how discussions need to be more open and include everybody and has some great things to say on that.
I also think it’s interesting in her testimony, the questions around baptism. I know we all noticed it was mostly letby asking bur they point out when things are extremely unexpected then that’s actually something that doesn’t really get prioritised. Yet somehow Letby was both involved heavily in resus and at the same time asking parents if they want baptisms. Baby I had hers actually at the first collapse, I can’t imagine too many were thinking she would die than but I can bet who was
I also think it’s interesting in her testimony, the questions around baptism. I know we all noticed it was mostly letby asking bur they point out when things are extremely unexpected then that’s actually something that doesn’t really get prioritised. Yet somehow Letby was both involved heavily in resus and at the same time asking parents if they want baptisms. Baby I had hers actually at the first collapse, I can’t imagine too many were thinking she would die than but I can bet who was
Imagine the regional manager of Dixons.
Richard Gill has posted his Linkedin correspondence with Dewi Evans. It' s a hilarious read.
Some gems:
"11:32 PM I offered my services to defence, prosecution, and to the court. But no one wanted to know. Cheshire constabulary threatened me and sent Dutch police to my door in the night, to deliver a letter in person which I’d already received by email. Very intimidating. They needed legal proof I’d received their warning."
"The mirror wrote that i was a sick and deluded conspiracy theorist"
Evans: "As for the Defence. It was their decision not to call evidence from independent clinicians and pathologists. Why do you think that was? Apart from the local plumber of course. Does one therefore assume that they consider your opinion less useful than that of a local plumber."
archive.ph
Some gems:
"11:32 PM I offered my services to defence, prosecution, and to the court. But no one wanted to know. Cheshire constabulary threatened me and sent Dutch police to my door in the night, to deliver a letter in person which I’d already received by email. Very intimidating. They needed legal proof I’d received their warning."
"The mirror wrote that i was a sick and deluded conspiracy theorist"
Evans: "As for the Defence. It was their decision not to call evidence from independent clinicians and pathologists. Why do you think that was? Apart from the local plumber of course. Does one therefore assume that they consider your opinion less useful than that of a local plumber."
My LinkedIn conversation with Dewi Evans – Richard Gill Statistics
archived 5 Oct 2024 13:05:05 UTC
And knowing she had hundreds of handover papers stuffed under the bed and was stalking parents too!
“due to my professionalism / dedication / commitment / work ethic I have exceeded expectations in my new role and remained in work”
Jeez even if she wasn’t a baby killer she would be bloody insufferable to work with!!
Cack_Conroe
Well-known member
This is so interesting.
'Ms Lightfoot also found that Letby’s clinical knowledge was “not where it should be” and that she “struggled” to retain information over calculating dosages of drug medication and also to recognise side effects of common drugs.'
Remember when the meds calculations cheat sheet "mysteriously" went missing around the time of Baby D's death, and another nurse was able to calculate the doses anyway, which left Letby surprised? That made me think she hid the sheet to hamper resus attempts, and didn't realise that other people would be able to calculate doses anyway, because she herself was incapable of that.
I said before that she seemed genuinely thick on the stand, and this is masked by how articulate she is - hence the constant descriptions of her supposed "intelligence". She has the gift of the gab but not much between the ears. She seemed completely unable to predict the logical outcomes of her impulsive answers, or the conclusions people would come to when they heard them. And some of her answers were truly, ridiculously stupid.
It's good to see proof that she did in fact struggle academically and still couldn't retain relatively basic information after three years of training. She definitely has an ego about her intelligence, because she boasted unprompted about being the first in her family to go to university, despite it not being true (she went to school with her paternal cousins and one of them is an engineer). She also had a feasible potential incompetence defense for some charges, but wouldn't let herself go there. She boasted about priding herself on her competence - despite as we now know having a rare failed placement. She also boasted about "exceeding expectations" in her new role in her grievance letter.
My theory has long been that Letby is one of the 10% of Munchausen's who are motivated by feeling they have "outsmarted" doctors, rather than attention. She's a thick bastard who has delusions of being smart. Secretly attacking babies and tricking the parents and doctors into believing this was natural was the only way she could feel clever, and exercise her unearned sense of superiority. In addition "conducting" the whole ward as her morbid theatre made her feel powerful and God-like. Like all sadists she feeds off other people's suffering.
“There was a tendency upon some students to hang around the nurses’ station and the desk area. Letby was one of these students and often had quite an expressionless look which I and other staff members found awkward.
This is another interesting bit. She sounds like a gormless fucker, like she didn't know what to do with herself or how to interact so she just stood like a lemon at the nurses station. The expressionless thing is the flat effect that psychopaths have. The mum who walked in on Letby at 03:00 as her daughter desaturated described Letby as having blank eyes as well.
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@dorydaryl @Auga I've had a quick look on reddit. Some are tentatively realizing that the NG crowd are approaching this with the pre-determined belief that she must be innocent, which is affecting their interpretation of the new evidnece. They are getting downvoted.
The majority however, have switched modes. One even said that until now, there had been no reason for why everyone chose to scapegoat Saint Letby - but now they know she was a bad nurse, she was the obvious choice.
They keep saying that being a bad nurse doesn't make you a serial killer. That is their stock answer to almost everything: take one small detail and say "that doesn't make someone a murderer!!" when no one said it did. It would be like saying that just because Beverley Allitt is a coprophile that doesn't make her a killer.
Many have switched from claiming that all nurses supported her, to moaning that it is a character assassination to avoid themselves being the next "scapegoat".
Also Chris Williams - the one who keeps bashing the babies' parents - has switched to saying her being a bad nurse only shows that it was manslaughter, not murder.
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followthedolphin
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Those two are something else. So selfish and thinking only of themselves - made for each other in fact. I really REALLY disliked the slimeball before he appeared last week at the inquiry but how he dodged any serious grilling ( in my view) and was self-serving ( saying he was manipulated FFS
) and seemingly without any contrition, humility or remorse , I just hope he gets the full force of NHS disciplinary after the investigation into him breaching confidentiality and never has a sweet night’s sleep. How dare he blame the babies. I would actually love to see his anonymity withdrawn- he is one who definitely doesn’t deserve it. And I’m sure his wife already knows. Unless she has zero intuition or maybe she literally couldn’t care what he does. It makes me feel sickened for anyone being treated by him ( or working with him for that matter ) at Alder Hey. Nasty little untrustworthy creep.
I just keep thinking of the polarity between him and the good heart of Ravi Jayaram - who has suffered enormously with his conscience- and how such different personalities and intentions are all wrapped up in this. Aaaagh !!!
O'lee
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Lying to her own colleagues about being isolated from colleagues..... she went to the staff Christmas do a matter of weeks before this letter was written !!!
