Lucy Letby Case #74

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I hope she enjoys the taste of bitter disappointment. She’s got a long time in jail ahead of her, guess she has nothing better to do. 😏
 
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Letby is going try and appeal her conviction for the attempted murder of baby K. Judges will consider the case at a hearing on 24th October.

Maybe this can be a good thing. Another rejection by another set of 3 judges (or will they likely be the same?) another published court of appeal judgement.

It seems pretty pointless though because even if she was granted an opportunity to appeal, even if another jury found her NG or her conviction was overturned by the judges, she still has 14 WLO.

This is just her playing games and/or maybe her legal teams are going to try and test some of the legal fairytales doubts
 
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Maybe this can be a good thing. Another rejection by another set of 3 judges (or will they likely be the same?) another published court of appeal judgement.

It seems pretty pointless though because even if she was granted an opportunity to appeal, even if another jury found her NG or her conviction was overturned by the judges, she still has 14 WLO.

This is just her playing games and/or maybe her legal teams are going to try and test some of the legal fairytales doubts
Is this the first appeal? In front of one judge first then can brought in front of three? Myers will probably argue the jury shouldn't have been told about previous convictions however in the original trial it was one of twenty two charges.
 
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Is this the first appeal? In front of one judge first then can brought in front of three? Myers will probably argue the jury shouldn't have been told about previous convictions however in the original trial it was one of twenty two charges.
oh yes you’re right. And if that one judge refuses it goes up to the three judges.
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Sarah Knapton again. Jane Hutton again. Guessing this is what Gill is in London for.

Has Jane had time to read the court of appeal judgement yet? Or did they all just spend the entire meeting outraged by this chart.

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Statisticians having a meeting about themselves and deciding where they should be involved. Without involving others. Did they then all give themselves a big pat on the back?
 
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"We're not saying the convictions are unsafe but we consider that if the concerns we are raising are essential to the decisions of the court, then the convictions are unsafe"

No they are not essential. Now kindly duck off.
 
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Dr Jane Hutton was the one that embarrassed herself on the podcast? The one that knew very little about the actual babies. The main point is there was evidence of deliberate harm not just a random cluster of explainable natural deaths. That's the whole point that the statisticians don't get.
 
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oh yes you’re right. And if that one judge refuses it goes up to the three judges.
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Sarah Knapton again. Jane Hutton again. Guessing this is what Gill is in London for.

Has Jane had time to read the court of appeal judgement yet? Or did they all just spend the entire meeting outraged by this chart.

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Statisticians having a meeting about themselves and deciding where they should be involved. Without involving others. Did they then all give themselves a big pat on the back?
These self-important clowns don't even realise they are just making it worse for Letby by constantly reminding people about the data. Non-statisticians aren't interested in academic discussions about probability - they just look at the data and see that Letby was the only one who could have done it.
 
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Dr Jane Hutton was the one that embarrassed herself on the podcast? The one that knew very little about the actual babies. The main point is there was evidence of deliberate harm not just a random cluster of explainable natural deaths. That's the whole point that the statisticians don't get.
yes that’s her.

I don’t know what it is that they want exactly. Apparently they have reworked the statistics and Chester came last against other hospitals. So what? It’s not about other hospitals. It’s not even about the spike of deaths. That’s just the first indicator that there might be something wrong (intentional harm or not!).

It’s about each individual baby and their unique set of circumstances that caused their sudden and unexpected collapses. And they were all investigated and evidence in such painstaking detail that it took ten months to deliver it.

These people are just annoyed because their fancy prancy report, that just so happened to be published the month before Letby’s trial started, wasn’t used. All that effort for nothing, pah!
 
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Wasn't Jane Hutton the one who said the multiples should be classed as one data point as they are from the same pregnancy and multiple unexpected collapses on the same baby should be classed as one. I think she has disappeared up her own a with statistics.
 
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Wasn't Jane Hutton the one who said the multiples should be classed as one data point as they are from the same pregnancy and multiple unexpected collapses on the same baby should be classed as one. I think she has disappeared up her own a with statistics.
Yeah. Ignorant fuckwit.
 
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oh yes you’re right. And if that one judge refuses it goes up to the three judges.
I think this will be the 3 judges hearing, there was no hearing with the single judge for the first trial if I remember right.
 
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I think this will be the 3 judges hearing, there was no hearing with the single judge for the first trial if I remember right.
"Shortly after her trial ended in August, Letby applied for leave to appeal against her convictions.

She lost the first stage of the process, in which a single judge reviewed her arguments as a paper exercise.

At a two-and-a-half day hearing last month, lawyers for the former nurse renewed efforts to bring an appeal before a panel of three judges.

As the judges have now declined to give the go-ahead for the challenge, this ruling marks the end of the appeal process for Letby."

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so she's 0-4
 
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I think this will be the 3 judges hearing, there was no hearing with the single judge for the first trial if I remember right.
There was two appeals, for the original trial, the first was rejected with one judge with no hearing the second was rejected with three judges and a hearing. I think baby K's trial may possibly have already been rejected once but there hasn't been much reporting. The whole appeal is a massive waste of public money IMO.
 
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If she’s only appealing this one conviction can they try throw some stuff in to get the others thrown out too? I’m thinking no but the stats stuff doesn’t really help her on 1 charge does it? They’re arguing it’s when you have them all together that the stats are wrong?

In a way, I hope whatever argument they present for the appeal that includes some of this rit that is being peddled that when it gets refused, the appeal document will VERY clearly say that this “evidence” makes no difference whatsoever…it might shut some of the deniers up
 
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If she’s only appealing this one conviction can they try throw some stuff in to get the others thrown out too? I’m thinking no but the stats stuff doesn’t really help her on 1 charge does it? They’re arguing it’s when you have them all together that the stats are wrong?

In a way, I hope whatever argument they present for the appeal that includes some of this rit that is being peddled that when it gets refused, the appeal document will VERY clearly say that this “evidence” makes no difference whatsoever…it might shut some of the deniers up
My own opinion is that Ben Myers will never use the statistics argument - he knows going deeper into it only makes it look worse for Letby - in the same way he didn't want to explore the medical evidence. The reddit/twitter stats experts are just talking to themselves,
 
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No surprise she’s appealing, Hindley appealed all her life and never set foot out of prison for 36 years till she died.
She will be the same unfortunately, some of her fan club might drift off but some of the do gooders will stick around proclaiming her innocent for years to come.
I hope she spends the next 36 years locked up looking over her shoulders terrified.
 
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If she’s only appealing this one conviction can they try throw some stuff in to get the others thrown out too? I’m thinking no but the stats stuff doesn’t really help her on 1 charge does it? They’re arguing it’s when you have them all together that the stats are wrong?

In a way, I hope whatever argument they present for the appeal that includes some of this rit that is being peddled that when it gets refused, the appeal document will VERY clearly say that this “evidence” makes no difference whatsoever…it might shut some of the deniers up
The stats stuff doesn't help Lucy on any of the charges. That's why Ben Myers didn't use it. All the stats say is she was the only one who could have done it.
 
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The stats stuff doesn't help Lucy on any of the charges. That's why Ben Myers didn't use it. All the stats say is she was the only one who could have done it.
Not according to fool though, he's still banging on. That man is absolutely clueless.
 
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