That hospital has failed so badly. Failed to stop a murdering witch, failed in duty of candour, doctored records and reports to show the narrative they wanted the parents to see dishonest, deceitful, cruel and immoral. Those poor families they must have felt so desperate.
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Oh it’s only 34 pages, the rest of it is an index.
Here’s the bit about Dr Gibbs disagreeing with the pathologist. I hope to god the pathologists have been called to give evidence. I certainly have a number of questions for them!!
Anyway this suggests Dr Jane Hawdon agrees with Dr Gibbs ‘no cause for deterioration identified’.
Here’s the bit about Dr Gibbs disagreeing with the pathologist. I hope to god the pathologists have been called to give evidence. I certainly have a number of questions for them!!
Anyway this suggests Dr Jane Hawdon agrees with Dr Gibbs ‘no cause for deterioration identified’.
JFC they are so bleeping stupid. These reckless self-appointed "experts" who haven't read a thing, know nothing about the case, and don't understand the first thing about the legal system yet can't wait to puff their egos up by publicly bloviating about slaughtered babies wind me up so, so much.
Evidence suggesting Lucy Letby tampered with breathing tubes 'not cre…
archived 16 Sep 2024 17:23:41 UTCarchive.ph
Sarah Knapton at it againdo they know how ridiculous they all sound when no evidence has even been presented? How can they question and dismiss evidence that’s not even been made public yet. Are they that desperate?
BIB - that is the whole point of it being raised in the inquiry, if they bothered to read the transcript. But bothering to read things doesn’t seem to be their priority
However, neonatologists and statisticians have written to Lady Justice Thirlwall questioning the data.
In a letter seen by The Telegraph, the experts write: “We do not find the assertion credible and are writing to express our deep concerns over the figures presented to the Thirlwall Inquiry with regards to extubation rates. “The apparent careless presentation of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated figures is likely to create unnecessary distress and harm, and generate additional worry, for example, among parents of babies who were treated at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
“If data quoted is subsequently shown to be robust, reliable and accurate, we question why such a drastic increase went unnoticed and unaddressed for nearly a decade?
“The failure to raise this issue would in that case raise important questions and have profound implications for Liverpool Women’s Hospital (LWH).”
Signatories to the letter include Dr Neil Aiton, a consultant neonatologist and lecturer at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, and Dr Svilena Dimitrova, consultant neonatologist and specialist adviser for the Care Quality Commission (CQC), as well as a medical reviewer for the review of maternity services at the Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust.
While the inquiry heard that tubes were dislodged on 40 per cent of Letby’s shifts, other scientists [on Twitter - this is the one I posted the other day] have pointed out that there is extensive scientific literature suggesting that breathing tubes can become dislodged in newborns between one per cent and 80 per cent of the time.
Lucy Easthope, professor in practice of risk and hazard at the University of Durham, also warned that there was a national product recall of breathing tubes for newborns in 2012.
Writing on X, she said: “Is it correct to say that there was an inexplicable rise in dislodged neonatal endotracheal tubes in the year that we saw national major product recall in neonatal endotracheal tubes?
“I expect the inquiry will cover this MHRA alert tomorrow.” [no they wont. Because if you bothered to read you would know it’s the parents giving evidence the next two weeks]
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However, a paper by Newcastle University in 2016 found that dislodged breathing tubes were common in premature babies – happening an average of six times for infants born at 25 weeks and under, and two times for preterm babies above 25 weeks gestation.
Conflating occurrences per baby with shifts again.
Fag packet maths. Correct me if I’ve missed anything.
A 25 week baby is in hospital on average 107 days.
shifts are 12hrs - baby sees 2 shifts per day
107 days x 2 shifts = 214 shifts per stay.
Six dislodged tubes in 214 shifts = 2.8% rate of occurrence. Far closer to 1% than 40% ffs!
They piss me off far more than Lucifer's mentally ill male layperson fans, because these individuals are supposed to be educated. They are supposed to be the ones with measured opinions, and to be insightful enough to have an idea of what they don't know. They seem to think because they are experts in one area, they are universal experts in all areas, and entitled to give their (entirely incorrect) opinions on legal processes etc.
It's just a brief opening statement and they're already acting scandalised that the evidence that hasn't been heard... hasn't been heard! And that if it's true, why did it go unnoticed? Yes, that's what they're trying to find out, you dumbfucks.
They're automatically trying to dispute it simply because it makes precious Lucy look bad.
It says one hell of a lot that her fan club of self-described "experts" were so desperate to prevent this whole inquiry. If they really thought she was innocent they should welcome any light on the situation, but instead they've railed against not only the entire inquiry but every new bit of evidence coming out that makes Letby look like the nasty, evil bleep she is.
I think it also says one hell of a lot that none of the staff who facilitated Letby are crying that nothing at all happened and it was all a miscarriage of justice. Some of these people might even ultimately face jail, and yet it's not for one second crossing their lips that the verdicts are supposedly disputed. Aside from the Letbys and her defense, nobody has a greater personal motive for needing Letby to be innocent. It would save their arses entirely. And yet, they're not even going there.
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Another day, another Sarah Knapton article to add to her collection.
And out of everything that must have been heard yesterday, her main focus is on a doctor immediately after birth who was never named.
Got to keep the attention away from Letby
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And out of everything that must have been heard yesterday, her main focus is on a doctor immediately after birth who was never named.
Got to keep the attention away from Letby
Doctor dismissed mother's concern for newborn who later died, Lucy Le…
archived 17 Sep 2024 16:59:10 UTC
Vine clearly knows better than a KC and his team of lawyers who had 2 years to prepare their case.
"What on earth were the #LucyLetby defence team doing during the trial?"
Maybe trying not to make things worse for Letby than they already were.
I'd like to say I am surprised at Jeremy Vine after the Alex Bellfield affair...
But I'm not.
This is one of the most painful things I've read so far I think. Because it mirrors my own NICU experience elsewhere. I can remember one awful night where I felt so unwelcome to sit with my son that I was in tears.Gosh this is just heartbreaking
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man-magnet LL snares another ageing male
Another middle aged man simping for the serial baby killer. Besides, the police going away and doing their own staffing analysis, independent of the concerns raised by the consultants, isn't the "gotcha" Mr Vine thinks it is. If anything it shows the impartiality of the police investigation
They are uploading some actual evidence documents….
thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk
thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk
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And new podcast today
INQ0000111 – Datix Report of Child C. Incident on 14/06/2015 | The Thirlwall Inquiry
Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.
thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk
INQ0006862_0031 – Report from Dr J M Hawdon (Consultant Neonatologist, Royal Free NHS Foundation Trust) titled Advisory Medical Report, dated October 2016. Page 31 relating to Child C only. | The Thirlwall Inquiry
Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.
thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk
And new podcast today
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Families waited eight years for full report on Letby unit
The mother of twin boys told the Thirlwall Inquiry she had only seen the unredacted version this week.
www.bbc.co.uk
Chilling moment mum caught Lucy Letby with blood-covered and 'screaming' baby
The mum told how she had never heard a baby "scream like that" when she caught the killer nurse with her bleeding son in August 2015.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk
Articles starting to come in for today.
Let’s guess what Sarah Knapton’s headline may be. I’m going with something like ‘Doctor apologises to parents for failures’
Twins E and F's mum reading her testimony just makes me rage that anyone sought to dismiss her evidence, that she would have imagined or made up the worst thing she could possibly have seen when she walked into the room. 
(There needs to be an angry cry emoji.)
reading her testimony just makes me rage that anyone sought to dismiss her evidence, that she would have imagined or made up the worst thing she could possibly have seen when she walked into the room. (There needs to be an angry cry emoji.)
She put the bloodstained blanket in the memory box?? Yeah she’s not human. Evil personified.
Another incredibly brave mother
Another incredibly brave mother
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So heartbreaking reading the evidence from the parents. The Letby simps should have to read every word they have to say.
The Letby simps should have to read every word they have to say.ITV has a lot more detail
Giving evidence on Wednesday 18 September at the Thirlwall Inquiry, the mother of Child E and Child F said she learnt the full details of both incidents at Letby’s criminal trial.
She said: “It took us through our children’s lives essentially hour by hour, and to find out that Child E had that significant bleed to the point of it being very, very unusual, and for no post-mortem to be warranted from that, made me question why.
“Why was the post-mortem not mandatory? Why was it left to me to make that decision?
“I feel guilty for not requesting that, because if that had come back and something would have been on it, there is a lot of babies that could not have been involved in this case and it could have stopped there.
“That weighs very, very heavily on me and that decision was ultimately ours.
“That’s painful to think about so I carry our grief, but the sadness of the other families, because it should never have gone past that point.”
She continued: “And it’s the same when I realised that the insulin reading was there, and it was seen, and nothing was done.
“That could have been an end to this whole horrendously sad turn of events but it wasn’t.
“And I think although the doctors and consultants worked really hard to save Child E, there should have been some curiosity as to why he was bleeding.
“Why Child F’s insulin was not just a little bit over, it was in the 4000s? Why was it not investigated?
“We put our trust in these people. I put my trust in them to do the right thing and the best thing for my children.”
Inquiry chairwoman Lady Justice Thirlwall told her: “You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about, nothing. You have nothing to blame yourself for, nothing at all.”
Wow they sent the letters by taxi!! Ffs!!
She said she first became aware of any investigation in February 2017, when the hospital’s medical director, Ian Harvey, wrote to inform them about an external review of a greater number of deaths than expected on the neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016.
She said: “I received that letter via a black taxi knocking on my door, about 30 minutes before that report was due to go live online on the hospital website.
“I was absolutely mortified.”
Giving evidence on Wednesday 18 September at the Thirlwall Inquiry, the mother of Child E and Child F said she learnt the full details of both incidents at Letby’s criminal trial.
She said: “It took us through our children’s lives essentially hour by hour, and to find out that Child E had that significant bleed to the point of it being very, very unusual, and for no post-mortem to be warranted from that, made me question why.
“Why was the post-mortem not mandatory? Why was it left to me to make that decision?
“I feel guilty for not requesting that, because if that had come back and something would have been on it, there is a lot of babies that could not have been involved in this case and it could have stopped there.
“That weighs very, very heavily on me and that decision was ultimately ours.
“That’s painful to think about so I carry our grief, but the sadness of the other families, because it should never have gone past that point.”
She continued: “And it’s the same when I realised that the insulin reading was there, and it was seen, and nothing was done.
“That could have been an end to this whole horrendously sad turn of events but it wasn’t.
“And I think although the doctors and consultants worked really hard to save Child E, there should have been some curiosity as to why he was bleeding.
“Why Child F’s insulin was not just a little bit over, it was in the 4000s? Why was it not investigated?
“We put our trust in these people. I put my trust in them to do the right thing and the best thing for my children.”
Inquiry chairwoman Lady Justice Thirlwall told her: “You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about, nothing. You have nothing to blame yourself for, nothing at all.”
Wow they sent the letters by taxi!! Ffs!!
She said she first became aware of any investigation in February 2017, when the hospital’s medical director, Ian Harvey, wrote to inform them about an external review of a greater number of deaths than expected on the neonatal unit in 2015 and 2016.
She said: “I received that letter via a black taxi knocking on my door, about 30 minutes before that report was due to go live online on the hospital website.
“I was absolutely mortified.”
No wonder the witch got so bold. She knew first hand how lax their systems were. Cosying up to management with her nitpicky reporting got her brownie points. Made herself available as poster girl for the fundraising. That's how she literally got away with murder for so long.
At last!! This is the kind headline and article we need to be seeing. I bet a lot of people with doubts don’t even know about baby E’s mum’s testimony as journalists never gave it much attention.
www.independent.co.uk
I don’t remember hearing about the gown before, or the hand in the photo!!
Mother’s horror after finding Lucy Letby with crying baby as he bled from his mouth
Lucy Letby appeared to be ‘kind’ toward the parents of the boy she had murdered at Countess of Chester Hospital, public inquiry
I don’t remember hearing about the gown before, or the hand in the photo!!
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