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Bit more in the Chester standard. Baby C’s mum sounds like a true warrior.
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Thirlwall inquiry: Child C mother 'betrayed' by Countess of Chester Hospital managers
The mother of a baby son murdered by Lucy Letby has said she felt "betrayed on every level" at being "misled" by a…
They only let her read the full report on son's death in 2023, after the trial had startedBit more in the Chester standard. Baby C’s mum sounds like a true warrior.
Thirlwall inquiry: Child C mother 'betrayed' by Countess of Chester Hospital managers
The mother of a baby son murdered by Lucy Letby has said she felt "betrayed on every level" at being "misled" by a…
Wow! I can’t believe what I’m reading. So muchBit more in the Chester standard. Baby C’s mum sounds like a true warrior.
Thirlwall inquiry: Child C mother 'betrayed' by Countess of Chester Hospital managers
The mother of a baby son murdered by Lucy Letby has said she felt "betrayed on every level" at being "misled" by a…
I could pick out but this in particular is awful. You would think the bereavement team would have more tact!
The mother of Child C also told the inquiry she only became aware there was a potential investigation into her baby son's death after she was forwarded, via a Whatsapp message, a July 2016 newspaper article on a 'review' being carried out at the Countess of Chester Hospital, following a rise in neonatal mortality rates.
The mother said she went to the hospital's bereavement office, unannounced, to find out why she had not been contacted in advance of the newspaper article. Initially, staff enquired if she was a "member of the press", to which she replied she was a bereaved parent.
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I think it was after the trial ended because I remember Steve Barclay meeting with the families about the inquiry and that was after the verdicts. I think it was before it was decided it would be a statutory inquiry.They only let her read the full report on son's death in 2023, after the trial had started
The only justification I think there could be is if the police/cps thought the report in whole could jeopardise the trial in anyway but that really should be communicated to them with a plan to provide them with a copy immediately when it’s appropriate.
It might be that she took the stand because evidence the defence used required her to testify - otherwise the evidence would have thrown out of court because they were in effect getting some one to testify for her, which is not allowed.
Evidence suggesting Lucy Letby tampered with breathing tubes 'not cre…
archived 16 Sep 2024 17:23:41 UTC
Sarah Knapton at it again
do they know how ridiculous they all sound when no evidence has even been presented? How can they question and dismiss evidence that’s not even been made public yet. Are they that desperate?BIB - that is the whole point of it being raised in the inquiry, if they bothered to read the transcript. But bothering to read things doesn’t seem to be their priority
However, neonatologists and statisticians have written to Lady Justice Thirlwall questioning the data.
In a letter seen by The Telegraph, the experts write: “We do not find the assertion credible and are writing to express our deep concerns over the figures presented to the Thirlwall Inquiry with regards to extubation rates.
“The apparent careless presentation of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated figures is likely to create unnecessary distress and harm, and generate additional worry, for example, among parents of babies who were treated at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
“If data quoted is subsequently shown to be robust, reliable and accurate, we question why such a drastic increase went unnoticed and unaddressed for nearly a decade?
“The failure to raise this issue would in that case raise important questions and have profound implications for Liverpool Women’s Hospital (LWH).”
Signatories to the letter include Dr Neil Aiton, a consultant neonatologist and lecturer at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, and Dr Svilena Dimitrova, consultant neonatologist and specialist adviser for the Care Quality Commission (CQC), as well as a medical reviewer for the review of maternity services at the Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust.
While the inquiry heard that tubes were dislodged on 40 per cent of Letby’s shifts, other scientists [on Twitter - this is the one I posted the other day] have pointed out that there is extensive scientific literature suggesting that breathing tubes can become dislodged in newborns between one per cent and 80 per cent of the time.
Lucy Easthope, professor in practice of risk and hazard at the University of Durham, also warned that there was a national product recall of breathing tubes for newborns in 2012.
Writing on X, she said: “Is it correct to say that there was an inexplicable rise in dislodged neonatal endotracheal tubes in the year that we saw national major product recall in neonatal endotracheal tubes?
“I expect the inquiry will cover this MHRA alert tomorrow.” [no they wont. Because if you bothered to read you would know it’s the parents giving evidence the next two weeks]
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However, a paper by Newcastle University in 2016 found that dislodged breathing tubes were common in premature babies – happening an average of six times for infants born at 25 weeks and under, and two times for preterm babies above 25 weeks gestation.
Conflating occurrences per baby with shifts again.
Fag packet maths. Correct me if I’ve missed anything.
A 25 week baby is in hospital on average 107 days.
shifts are 12hrs - baby sees 2 shifts per day
107 days x 2 shifts = 214 shifts per stay.
Six dislodged tubes in 214 shifts = 2.8% rate of occurrence. Far closer to 1% than 40% ffs!
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I feel obliged to say that you have been amazing the whole way through this awful journey @TofinoEvidence suggesting Lucy Letby tampered with breathing tubes 'not cre…
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Sarah Knapton at it again
BIB - that is the whole point of it being raised in the inquiry, if they bothered to read the transcript. But bothering to read things doesn’t seem to be their priority
However, neonatologists and statisticians have written to Lady Justice Thirlwall questioning the data.
In a letter seen by The Telegraph, the experts write: “We do not find the assertion credible and are writing to express our deep concerns over the figures presented to the Thirlwall Inquiry with regards to extubation rates.
“The apparent careless presentation of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated figures is likely to create unnecessary distress and harm, and generate additional worry, for example, among parents of babies who were treated at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
“If data quoted is subsequently shown to be robust, reliable and accurate, we question why such a drastic increase went unnoticed and unaddressed for nearly a decade?
“The failure to raise this issue would in that case raise important questions and have profound implications for Liverpool Women’s Hospital (LWH).”
Signatories to the letter include Dr Neil Aiton, a consultant neonatologist and lecturer at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, and Dr Svilena Dimitrova, consultant neonatologist and specialist adviser for the Care Quality Commission (CQC), as well as a medical reviewer for the review of maternity services at the Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust.
While the inquiry heard that tubes were dislodged on 40 per cent of Letby’s shifts, other scientists [on Twitter - this is the one I posted the other day] have pointed out that there is extensive scientific literature suggesting that breathing tubes can become dislodged in newborns between one per cent and 80 per cent of the time.
Lucy Easthope, professor in practice of risk and hazard at the University of Durham, also warned that there was a national product recall of breathing tubes for newborns in 2012.
Writing on X, she said: “Is it correct to say that there was an inexplicable rise in dislodged neonatal endotracheal tubes in the year that we saw national major product recall in neonatal endotracheal tubes?
“I expect the inquiry will cover this MHRA alert tomorrow.” [no they wont. Because if you bothered to read you would know it’s the parents giving evidence the next two weeks]
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However, a paper by Newcastle University in 2016 found that dislodged breathing tubes were common in premature babies – happening an average of six times for infants born at 25 weeks and under, and two times for preterm babies above 25 weeks gestation.
Conflating occurrences per baby with shifts again.
Fag packet maths. Correct me if I’ve missed anything.
A 25 week baby is in hospital on average 107 days.
shifts are 12hrs - baby sees 2 shifts per day
107 days x 2 shifts = 214 shifts per stay.
Six dislodged tubes in 214 shifts = 2.8% rate of occurrence. Far closer to 1% than 40% ffs!
Bravo x
Am I going mad here but did the podcast drop then go ?
I saw a notification for it and it’s gone now ?
I saw a notification for it and it’s gone now ?
Thank you that’s very kind
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Dad refused to hand Lucy Letby his dying son after nurse injected baby with air
In a tearful testimony at Letby's public inquiry, the mum and dad of her third victim described how they cradled their little boy after realising doctors could not save him
www.mirror.co.uk
The Mirror actually giving some details that is usually ignored
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That is so chilling, especially about trying to put him in the cold cot before he passed. That poor family. Those poor babies.Transcripts don’t seem to be up yet but some articles about today are
https://www.12ft.io/https://www.archive.is/oldest/https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/16/mother-of-lucy-letby-victim-feels-betrayed-by-hospital-managers
not sure why the link is copying in like thisit’s on the guardian
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Poor Lucy. She goes on placement at Liverpool Women's Hospital and the number of dislodged breathing tubes shoots up massively, then goes back to the normal level when she leaves. She's so unlucky! There's definitely no other explanationEvidence suggesting Lucy Letby tampered with breathing tubes 'not cre…
archived 16 Sep 2024 17:23:41 UTC
Sarah Knapton at it again
BIB - that is the whole point of it being raised in the inquiry, if they bothered to read the transcript. But bothering to read things doesn’t seem to be their priority
However, neonatologists and statisticians have written to Lady Justice Thirlwall questioning the data.
In a letter seen by The Telegraph, the experts write: “We do not find the assertion credible and are writing to express our deep concerns over the figures presented to the Thirlwall Inquiry with regards to extubation rates.
“The apparent careless presentation of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated figures is likely to create unnecessary distress and harm, and generate additional worry, for example, among parents of babies who were treated at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
“If data quoted is subsequently shown to be robust, reliable and accurate, we question why such a drastic increase went unnoticed and unaddressed for nearly a decade?
“The failure to raise this issue would in that case raise important questions and have profound implications for Liverpool Women’s Hospital (LWH).”
Signatories to the letter include Dr Neil Aiton, a consultant neonatologist and lecturer at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, and Dr Svilena Dimitrova, consultant neonatologist and specialist adviser for the Care Quality Commission (CQC), as well as a medical reviewer for the review of maternity services at the Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust.
While the inquiry heard that tubes were dislodged on 40 per cent of Letby’s shifts, other scientists [on Twitter - this is the one I posted the other day] have pointed out that there is extensive scientific literature suggesting that breathing tubes can become dislodged in newborns between one per cent and 80 per cent of the time.
Lucy Easthope, professor in practice of risk and hazard at the University of Durham, also warned that there was a national product recall of breathing tubes for newborns in 2012.
Writing on X, she said: “Is it correct to say that there was an inexplicable rise in dislodged neonatal endotracheal tubes in the year that we saw national major product recall in neonatal endotracheal tubes?
“I expect the inquiry will cover this MHRA alert tomorrow.” [no they wont. Because if you bothered to read you would know it’s the parents giving evidence the next two weeks]
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However, a paper by Newcastle University in 2016 found that dislodged breathing tubes were common in premature babies – happening an average of six times for infants born at 25 weeks and under, and two times for preterm babies above 25 weeks gestation.
Conflating occurrences per baby with shifts again.
Fag packet maths. Correct me if I’ve missed anything.
A 25 week baby is in hospital on average 107 days.
shifts are 12hrs - baby sees 2 shifts per day
107 days x 2 shifts = 214 shifts per stay.
Six dislodged tubes in 214 shifts = 2.8% rate of occurrence. Far closer to 1% than 40% ffs!
I can't read these archived articles. Lucy had two placements there, years apart. Presumably the number of dislodged breathing tubes spiked through both placements and then returned to normal after she'd left.Poor Lucy. She goes on placement at Liverpool Women's Hospital and the number of dislodged breathing tubes shoots up massively, then goes back to the normal level when she leaves. She's so unlucky! There's definitely no other explanation
Wow that would be very interesting to know. hadn’t thought of it like that. I am certainly keen to hear more about this audit.
This is heartbreaking.Thank you that’s very kind
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Dad refused to hand Lucy Letby his dying son after nurse injected baby with air
In a tearful testimony at Letby's public inquiry, the mum and dad of her third victim described how they cradled their little boy after realising doctors could not save himwww.mirror.co.uk
The Mirror actually giving some details that is usually ignored
The idea that all you have of your son has also been touched by the woman who murdered him... I genuinely don't think I could cope with that.did the defence present any evidence other than the plumber? hard to believe he was their master plan.
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You'd have thought this could wait until the inquiry actually looks at this issue. Honestly the level of stupidity out there is mind-boggling. It seems to be people trying to get attention. And frankly anyone who has had their baby anywhere near Letby should be worried.Evidence suggesting Lucy Letby tampered with breathing tubes 'not cre…
archived 16 Sep 2024 17:23:41 UTC
Sarah Knapton at it again
BIB - that is the whole point of it being raised in the inquiry, if they bothered to read the transcript. But bothering to read things doesn’t seem to be their priority
However, neonatologists and statisticians have written to Lady Justice Thirlwall questioning the data.
In a letter seen by The Telegraph, the experts write: “We do not find the assertion credible and are writing to express our deep concerns over the figures presented to the Thirlwall Inquiry with regards to extubation rates.
“The apparent careless presentation of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated figures is likely to create unnecessary distress and harm, and generate additional worry, for example, among parents of babies who were treated at Liverpool Women’s Hospital.
“If data quoted is subsequently shown to be robust, reliable and accurate, we question why such a drastic increase went unnoticed and unaddressed for nearly a decade?
“The failure to raise this issue would in that case raise important questions and have profound implications for Liverpool Women’s Hospital (LWH).”
Signatories to the letter include Dr Neil Aiton, a consultant neonatologist and lecturer at Brighton and Sussex Medical School, and Dr Svilena Dimitrova, consultant neonatologist and specialist adviser for the Care Quality Commission (CQC), as well as a medical reviewer for the review of maternity services at the Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust.
While the inquiry heard that tubes were dislodged on 40 per cent of Letby’s shifts, other scientists [on Twitter - this is the one I posted the other day] have pointed out that there is extensive scientific literature suggesting that breathing tubes can become dislodged in newborns between one per cent and 80 per cent of the time.
Lucy Easthope, professor in practice of risk and hazard at the University of Durham, also warned that there was a national product recall of breathing tubes for newborns in 2012.
Writing on X, she said: “Is it correct to say that there was an inexplicable rise in dislodged neonatal endotracheal tubes in the year that we saw national major product recall in neonatal endotracheal tubes?
“I expect the inquiry will cover this MHRA alert tomorrow.” [no they wont. Because if you bothered to read you would know it’s the parents giving evidence the next two weeks]
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However, a paper by Newcastle University in 2016 found that dislodged breathing tubes were common in premature babies – happening an average of six times for infants born at 25 weeks and under, and two times for preterm babies above 25 weeks gestation.
Conflating occurrences per baby with shifts again.
Fag packet maths. Correct me if I’ve missed anything.
A 25 week baby is in hospital on average 107 days.
shifts are 12hrs - baby sees 2 shifts per day
107 days x 2 shifts = 214 shifts per stay.
Six dislodged tubes in 214 shifts = 2.8% rate of occurrence. Far closer to 1% than 40% ffs!
And what is wrong with Sarah Knapton? She seems completely obsessed with championing Letby - continually raising points which are irrelevant. Maybe she's thinking long-term - Letby will be going to the CCRC (and if she's very lucky the Court of Appeal) for years to come - this will provide an easy source of copy.
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more from Liz Hull
Bosses at serial killer Lucy Letby's hospital slammed for 'whitewash' and labelled an 'absolute disgrace' by GP mother of murdered baby, inquiry hears
Bosses at serial killer Lucy Letby's hospital slammed for 'whitewash' and labelled an 'absolute disgrace' by GP mother of murdered baby, inquiry hears
I cannot believe the rotter's doing all of this!! I'm angry as hell!!
Some disgusting bleep has really pissed me off on twitter about Child C - the are just bleeping disgusting 
I can imagine. Ever since the first trial the fan club have behaved appallingly towards the parents. Gaslighting and minimising their experiences. Trying to say they don’t remember properly because they were traumatised or whatever. Anything that makes Letby come out of this looking better. It’s bloody disgusting.Some disgusting bleep has really pissed me off on twitter about Child C - the are just bleeping disgusting
They seem to forget the families are real people who have been incredibly hurt by what's happened.Some disgusting bleep has really pissed me off on twitter about Child C - the are just bleeping disgusting
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