I never said it didn’t. I said it’s wrong to do so.
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The situation with her not wanting to see the parents of child a and b I think it’s reasonable to assume after what we know happened the night before that she was probably disturbed by the pain and anguish she saw, I’m para phrasing but she sent text to the effect of “ the father was on the floor begging me not to take him to the mortuary” and the mother was screaming “please don’t let my baby die” during the resus attempt. It’s perfectly acceptable that she would say what she said and then go back on it. There’s plenty of plausible reasons for her to go back on what she had previously said. Id also like to point out to raise the point of not wanting to be with child b and then attempt to murder child b would be extremely suspicious and we can all agree she’s not an idiot, guilty or not
I think the prosecution bringing up something she was watching on TV is a bit of a reach and shows they are clutching at straws.
Literally the story of my life at work, I think I say something cringe/awkward that makes my colleagues look at me like I have two heads at least once a week, spent so many evenings cringing at myself
I must say the live reporting so far has been a bit crap. I’m sure it’s an incredibly hard job with the amount of information being presented, but Mark really need to do a bit better, it’s too brief and lacks context. I’ve been spoilt by Dave Jagger during Star Hobson’s case.
I’m conflicted with the text messages, some of what she says is a bit odd yes but this can be taken either way if you want to see it a particular way. I also accept we are probably not getting full context or even accurate reporting.
However, nurses and healthcare workers do chat. If I’ve had a bad day or an unwell patient, sometimes I want to check in and see how things are - I’d like to think it’s not cos I’m a busy body, but because I care and it’s almost a way of being able to settle down and relax. Someone hit the nail on the head earlier in the thread, unfortunately sometimes your mind does also go to “could this be something I’ve done, have I missed something” so also is sometimes some reassurance. I also know who to chat to and who not to, like we all have a colleague who leaves work at work and wouldn’t appreciate a text out of work hours. The texts back to LL don’t appear to be someone who doesn’t want to text her.
It’s not a regular occurrence but it does and will happen. Some people are nosey not denying that!
However, nurses and healthcare workers do chat. If I’ve had a bad day or an unwell patient, sometimes I want to check in and see how things are - I’d like to think it’s not cos I’m a busy body, but because I care and it’s almost a way of being able to settle down and relax. Someone hit the nail on the head earlier in the thread, unfortunately sometimes your mind does also go to “could this be something I’ve done, have I missed something” so also is sometimes some reassurance. I also know who to chat to and who not to, like we all have a colleague who leaves work at work and wouldn’t appreciate a text out of work hours. The texts back to LL don’t appear to be someone who doesn’t want to text her.
It’s not a regular occurrence but it does and will happen. Some people are nosey not denying that!
I have thought this too, that it could have been an accidental overdose. In the opening statements it seems they skimmed over the fact the baby had been prescribed insulin and it wasn't mentioned again. Hopefully more info comes to light on that prescription.
In regards to the breast milk and TPN... for many reasons, preterms need to build their tolerance to milk. Some can't start on 'full' feeds right away. So a tiny amount is introduced, as small as 0.5ml, and the rest of the required nutrition is given from TPN fluids. It's also important to start some milk to prime the gut, the smallest amount will do. It is my guess they started milk as soon as it became available, started basic fluids, then switched to the bespoke TPN when it arrived from pharmacy.
Insulin is always prescribed as a tiny dose for neonates... they're tiny after all. It is diluted into another fluid, usually saline. Any miscalculation in that preparation will lead to an overdose. The questions are, who prepared the infusion? And was the overdose accidental or deliberate...
The fact is all we know so far is she watched an episode the day before that one you’re referring to was broadcast. We don’t know for a fact if she seen the trailer or if she watched it when it came out. We do know she likely already knew the dangers as she would of learned about them as a neonatal nurse.
I believe it’s far fetched that she was inspired to attempt murder on a baby after a 4 minute trailer. That’s my opinion. You disagree and that’s fine we all have different opinions doesn’t mean either of us are correct. The evidence in the trial will speak for itself.
Also noticed that a large gap appears in the deaths. It’s appears over the year period a baby didn’t die (in relation to this case) from October 23 until June. So That’s an 8 month period where no babies died. The deaths only happen in 3 different months across the year period it would be nice to have any information on differences/similarities at the hospital during these particular months
the months are June 15 August 15 and June 16
there is also a gap in crashes all together (in relation to this case) between November and February I forget the exact dates, what was going on in this period? Was she moved from nights at this point?Are there other crashes in this time period that they think aren’t her doing?
there is so much missing information at the moment
also is it common knowledge in this line of work to know you can’t put insulin in with a TPN bag? Could that be common place in that hospital and they’ve simply been getting lucky, or would this be fatal 100% of the time? Sorry to bombard you with 86 questions
the months are June 15 August 15 and June 16
there is also a gap in crashes all together (in relation to this case) between November and February I forget the exact dates, what was going on in this period? Was she moved from nights at this point?Are there other crashes in this time period that they think aren’t her doing?
there is so much missing information at the moment
You seem clued up the medical side of things I mentioned earlier there are 3 sets of twins and 2of3 triplets and all the crashes occur within a day of their sibling, is it likely for them to suffer from similar health issues? Is there anything in that pattern? And are twins and triplets more vulnerable than standard one baby births?
also is it common knowledge in this line of work to know you can’t put insulin in with a TPN bag? Could that be common place in that hospital and they’ve simply been getting lucky, or would this be fatal 100% of the time? Sorry to bombard you with 86 questions
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I noticed there’s a damning report due tomorrow about a high level of deaths and other issues at a maternity unit in Kent this does seem to be happening in so many hospitals at the moment . Edit I tried to link but didn’t manage it
'Harrowing' report will say how babies died at scandal-hit NHS trust
'Harrowing' report will say how babies died at scandal-hit NHS trust
Just to point out I'm ND and I see traits within LL , getting overly obsessed with things being awkward etc. That doesn't mean that people with ND can't be bleeps or evil we are all different and I've worked and nursed many people with ND. I'm high functioning and I've learnt to mask incredibly well so thankfully I've learnt not to put my foot in it very often.
I work in social care and have had no training around bereavement, just suicide. Personally I M very awkward dealing with death and often try to avoid the parents and family members of those who have died. This is because I feel awkward and don’t know what to say/do. I will even avoid funerals as long as somebody else goes in my place. I don’t get upset when people die like my colleagues do either. Im not sure if I have a heart of stone or if it’s because I have the ability to remember the person, all their qualities and good times over their passing.
I understand a baby maybe weened onto to milk and might not react well and therefore need to given a TPN bag which I believe to be made to order for a specific child’s needs, would the standard procedure be to try the milk first then request a TPN bag, or would they make it as stand by in case the child didn’t take to the milk? Also wouldn’t it be consistent with a downturn in health not reacting well to the milk? Another thing is that the Bag was delivered at 4pm and only used at 12:30 am roughly the next morning. This is confusing does that sound right? Surely the child would need some sort of feeding? Or am I being dumb?
No you're not being dumb at all. It's all very confusing.
The milk would be given as well as TPN. Not one or the other. Small amounts of milk given at the start wouldn't be enough to hydrate baby or give complete nutrition.
Baby was started on a stock bag of TPN on admission, then the bespoke bag started at 12:30am (even though it was delivered 8 hours before). I assume this was to 'make the most' out of the stock bag already hung, instead of just chucking it after a few hours. TPN is pretty costly. Most units have their own routine for switching fluids. We do our bag changes on the day shift, some do theirs on the night shift. So this could also be the reason.
More info is needed and hopefully they expand on the whole TPN and insulin situation.
Hope I explained all that clearly enough? It's all so confusing when there are bits missing from the reporting.
Were they the ones with mild haemophilia? She had the medical knowledge to
No. In those circumstances they can already prosecute her again if new evidence comes to light.
Yes you’re right! This won’t be hard evidence yet.So am I right to assume that at the moment, due to it being agreed facts, it’s not as ‘hard’ evidence as it will be when it comes to the prosecutions evidence? I know there’s a lot of people saying it’s pretty circumstantial at the moment but I assume (again) that that’s because the defence isn’t going to agree with any evidence that points to LL? If that makes sense
Only getting feeds? I would think these babies required feeds or they’d be dead too. The ‘precious time and resources’ these babies needed would be much less than the sicker babies.
This is why I hope she did it. I cannot imagine going through all this and all that’s to come if she’s truly innocent (vs not guilty).
if found NG and wants to write a book that’s a good outcome. I suspect if she is actually guilty the desire to continue harming will remain so could be a far bigger draw than money. I thought guilty initially, and now I really am not sure. Feel for these jurors.
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