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I know this is going off on a slight tangent but I’ve just seen this - a hospital trust charged with corporate manslaughter and a ward manager charged with gross negligent manslaughter for the death of a 22 year old (poor care).

I would like to see criminal charges against individual senior execs at COCH but I’m fearful there won’t be enough evidence.

One problem with legal cases here as it stands is that it’s usually the NHS as a whole that is found liable, and a separate department deals with compensation etc.

Because an individual is hardly ever found liable, or ever punished, there’s very little personal responsibility and thus little motivation to maintain high standards. If a doctor ducks up they often won’t even know.

There’s a few other factors too- for example you can’t take action for errors more than 2 years in the past, legal aid for complaints has been removed, and the NHS can and do stalk/surveil claimants to try to discredit their cases, and will charge huge amounts to the victim to cover their legal fees if a case isn’t upheld.

They aren’t above outright fraud either- one dear friend of mine was so badly injured during an epidural that she can no longer stand or sit upright, but all information relating to the incident, and to the failed corrective procedure, was erased from her records. (She only has records as her GP still has copies sent at the time).

She was then given a false psychiatric diagnosis and banned from the hospital.

I think if it was more like the US system, where to my understanding medics usually have to take out individual insurance and are individually liable for mistakes and misdiagnoses, there would be far more accountability here- and less needless deaths.

At the moment even in cases of gross negligence the worst that can happen to them is to be sacked and then they just join another trust.
 
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One problem with legal cases here as it stands is that it’s usually the NHS as a whole that is found liable, and a separate department deals with compensation etc.

Because an individual is hardly ever found liable, or ever punished, there’s very little personal responsibility and thus little motivation to maintain high standards. If a doctor ducks up they often won’t even know.

There’s a few other factors too- for example you can’t take action for errors more than 2 years in the past, there is no legal aid for conplaints, and the NHS can and do stalk/surveil claimants to try to discredit their cases, and will charge huge amounts to the victim to cover their legal fees if a case isn’t upheld. They aren’t above outright fraud either- one dear friend of mine was so badly injured during an epidural that she can no longer stand or sit upright, but all information relating to the incident, and to the failed corrective procedure, were erased from her records.

I think if it was more like the US system, where to my understanding medics usually have to take out individual insurance and are individually liable for mistakes and misdiagnoses, there would be far more accountability here- and less needless deaths.

At the moment even in cases of gross negligence the worst that can happen to them is to be sacked and then they just join another trust.
Exactly !!! In layman terms ….. nowt will happen!!! Just a way of winding public up xx


she’s where she belongs. The enablers will still live in their big houses wi their large cheques xx they don’t care. Nowt me or u or any1 will change that 😢 xx
 
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I don't know much but I do know there is a two stage test where the CPS are making a decision on whether to charge somebody, I don't know if they will consider this for a retrial but I guess they would because would she be being recharged?

So The CPS must decide first whether there is enough evidence, there must be a realistic chance of a conviction. Now, because they already tried for these cases and were not successful I'm sure this will be considered. Maybe they have found more evidence, maybe they could present the evidence in a different way.
Then we have the public interest test - is it in the public interest to take it to trial? The answer would be yes of course it is because it's regarding the harm and murder of babies by someone in a trusted position. Also her victims require justice.
However saying that, again they will have to take into account that they already tried this. Is it worth spending public funds on a retrial when they could end up with the same result? Also she's already been convicted and sentenced to multiple WLOs so would the public be happy to have her retried? I mean you'd hope so but as we've seen there are many weirdos out there who may think otherwise! bleeping nutjobs.

I hope they do retry her for the babies where they couldn't reach a verdict, they and their families need justice. Maybe they will include them with any other cases they've found which they now intend to charge her with.
There is a programme on bev … 3 parts … imo that’s first thing I said to daughter when we came out of court .. “my god her voice is like allits … she said who is allitt 🙈🤣 xx

allit did inject a elderly woman in a care home … but I think she survived xx

tbh I think the police work with what they can … if they can life a serial killer off they will … it’s a shame a tragic shame that some families don’t get justice … but rather the witch be lifed off than adding loads of cases they can’t prove an put doubt in jury’s mind xxx

awful for parents who didn’t get any closure … really awful !!!! But I think it be worse if the freak walked free… that witch would be gloating sending post its and sympathy cards … demanding apologies. That rank bugger is rite where she belongs xx I’m sure to god the parents of the babies she found guilty Include the parents of the babies they couldn’t decide on xx we all know she has been murdering since she started !!! Keeping her 1st trophy of her first day!!!! Proving it is sadly never gona happen xx Bloody heartbreaking!!!! Xx


Hopefully the families who got not guilty or no verdict will receive some comfort in the fact she will never be released from prison.

It is unnerving that she had handover notes dating as far back as 2010, I dread to think of how many babies she has harmed
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I wonder if it will be hard to retry her on those cases as so much of the prosecution/defence/evidence for those cases could have been read by jurors already (as it was in the public domain). Wonder if she'll take the stand again or like a coward hide in her cells as before. She won't be able to use the PTSD line to as great effect anymore will she? "Yeah I have bad PTSD because I'm serving a WLO for murdering other babies" - not quite the same ring as, " they arrested me in my nightie."

I do wonder if they already have any other cases lined up - as could potentially bundle the old cases with the new ones, and try them all together.
 
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About all those non-Letby cases - it might not be the place for it, but the NHS has been warning everyone for so long about underfunding, cuts, understaffing and look what's happening now. Corners are being cut, sub-optimal care is being given and it's affecting people's lives. It's not an insurance call centre, it's real people with real and sometimes life threatening problems. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.

Back to Letby - is there any "point" re-trying her as she already has multiple WLOs, so what else are they going to do? Heap more on her?
 
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Just watched that clip with Karen Rees, she makes me sick trying to justify herself now, whilst she was cozying up to Letby for weekly coffees.
And as for not showing her face, she will be made to appear at the statutory hearing won’t be able to hide then, hope she is shitting herself about it.
If public allowed in will anyone on here go?
 
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Just watched that clip with Karen Rees, she makes me sick trying to justify herself now, whilst she was cozying up to Letby for weekly coffees.
And as for not showing her face, she will be made to appear at the statutory hearing won’t be able to hide then, hope she is shitting herself about it.
If public allowed in will anyone on here go?
She is absolutely sickening. Her refusal to show her face says it all really, she is so culpable in all of this and her protestations are baseless. I also cannot wait for the statutory hearing where they won't go so gently on her.
 
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I wonder if it will be hard to retry her on those cases as so much of the prosecution/defence/evidence for those cases could have been read by jurors already (as it was in the public domain). Wonder if she'll take the stand again or like a coward hide in her cells as before. She won't be able to use the PTSD line to as great effect anymore will she? "Yeah I have bad PTSD because I'm serving a WLO for murdering other babies" - not quite the same ring as, " they arrested me in my nightie."

I do wonder if they already have any other cases lined up - as could potentially bundle the old cases with the new ones, and try them all together.
Dewi has found other potential cases there was a article in the mail about it and operation Hummingbird is still investigating so there could potentially be another court case.
 
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Dewi has found other potential cases there was a article in the mail about it and operation Hummingbird is still investigating so there could potentially be another court case.
OMG really? That is unnerving :eek:
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About all those non-Letby cases - it might not be the place for it, but the NHS has been warning everyone for so long about underfunding, cuts, understaffing and look what's happening now. Corners are being cut, sub-optimal care is being given and it's affecting people's lives. It's not an insurance call centre, it's real people with real and sometimes life threatening problems. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.

Back to Letby - is there any "point" re-trying her as she already has multiple WLOs, so what else are they going to do? Heap more on her?
I think the families would welcome it
 
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Hope you’re all well ❤

Will admit that it makes me feel content knowing that LL is rotting away in a prison cell as we speak.

Devastated to read of what’s going on at the hospital in Nottingham. 😞 Surely not another murderous serial killer on the prowl? These ‘people’ or rather, creatures make me sick.
 
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Oh Martin Roberts Mid Life Crisis Mark, why do you think Dewi Evans chose to investigate certain cases? Because they were suspicious, not because Lucifer was involved in the care of the babies. You’ve worked out a big nothing!! 🙄🙄


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I’m sure I detect a hint of jealousy when he speaks about Dr A 😆

 
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Just watched midlife crisis Mark's video where he completely misses the point with Dewi selecting cases. Surely he just chose the cases where the medical evidence of deliberate harm was strongest also Dewi requested the medical records of the baby's siblings and that's how he discovered baby F and L had been poisoned with insulin. They weren't part of the original bundle sent to the police. I don't know if Mark means well and is just a bit misguided or if there is a more sinister reason why all these strange people think she's innocent.
 
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First I’ve heard of this case today (trial opened yesterday) - absolutely horrifying treatment of vulnerable patients by this pair, whistleblown by a student nurse
Wow that was hard to read. Heartbreaking for those patients and their families, imagine if that was your grandparent or your mum or dad, just shocking. Well done to that student nurse what a hero!
 
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Oh Martin Roberts Mid Life Crisis Mark, why do you think Dewi Evans chose to investigate certain cases? Because they were suspicious, not because Lucifer was involved in the care of the babies. You’ve worked out a big nothing!! 🙄🙄


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I’m sure I detect a hint of jealousy when he speaks about Dr A 😆

God he really is as thick as two short planks isn't he. He makes me feel a bit vommy he looks so gross, and all that sniffing is a bit suss! And I hate the way he keeps stroking his beard and twitching his eyes. weird b
 
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Wow that was hard to read. Heartbreaking for those patients and their families, imagine if that was your grandparent or your mum or dad, just shocking. Well done to that student nurse what a hero!
No remorse, just angry that the student had broken what the accused believed to be some kind of messed up omertà…

Those poor people and their families :(
 
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I thought Nottingham was just neglect but it’s apparently a criminal inquiry now (3 hours ago in the news). Is there going to be a thread on that? Don’t wish to derail.
 
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