Lucy Letby Case #43

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slidders

It’s a cold Curly Wurly for me, hardened up in the fridge. Yum.
 
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laluna

Hello! Another newbie here but like many others, I have followed this thread for months. Not on Facebook but have had to bite my tongue for you know who on Twitter on a daily bloody basis.
So glad I can finally join in with you all. I feel like I’ve had so much I have wanted to say along the way and now I’ve forgotten it all 🤣 but anyway, I have cast my guilty vote. I was unsure for a while but LL refuting that poor mother’s statement cemented it for me. I can’t get my head around the why, but I am satisfied with the how. I am a children’s nurse and worked in neonates as a student. Not ginger. Not had Turkish Delight in years so can’t recall if I like it or not. Occasionally wander around Matalan but only because it is next to B&M....

Thank you for your wonderful insights and court updates. Lovely to see Lucy’s pregnancy update (congratulations!).

And so much love to the poor babies and families involved in this case. Praying that justice is served.
 
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RosieSparkle

Just caught up on the thread, welcome newbies! Lovely news @Lucyxxxx congrats!

Thanks as always to those providing updates and insights into the courtroom, you're all stars.

Having had a wobble last week, I'm firmly back in the GUILTY camp. I just want to see justice done for those poor babies.
 
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Treesy19

So much to catch up on, but straight to the poll for Guilty as usual. I will try to skim these next 25 pages 😂….I see eight people think scapegoat. I’ll buy you a globe to show you the Earth ain’t flat either.
 
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Not a newbie, but would like to affirm my status. I'm not ginger though carry the ginger gene; I love the traditional Turkish delight without chocolate, along with all things floral like parma violets; and occasionally shop in Matalan. Soz.
 
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RosieSparkle

I genuinely cannot understand the scapegoat votes. I can just about understand being unsure or even that the evidence is too circumstantial/ not strong enough, if the science has been too much to take in. But are they honestly saying that it's been easier for the hospital to put one person and themselves through a 9 month murder trial than it would be to hold their hands up, admit liability and poor care, and give a payout to the families? The NHS spends millions every year paying out in negligence cases. Why on earth would they choose this route all of a sudden?!
 
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Have you got screenshots? Was it the same girl who said she was in her sister's year at school?

This is really interesting about the schoolwork sabotage. I noticed that her spelling is not good, which on its own doesn't indicate academic ability, as some people are dyslexic, or just not good at it. But the poor quality of her lies under cross-examination showed her to be not very intelligent, despite how articulate she appears. Makes me wonder if academic ability is a sore point for her. I wonder if she has always felt herself mentally superior to others but is ashamed of her unremarkable intellect, and gets her kicks from tricking and manipulating others to feel clever instead.

My view of her psychology, similar to @Beigerac (great name btw) is that she has a combination of severe Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Anti-Social Personality Disorder (aka psychopathy) which in my opinion is the very dangerous combination that can make a serial killer. She is also clearly jealous and witchy, which comes across in her interactions with other staff. An anonymous nurse who was described in court as her best friend seemed witchy too, in texts that didn't make the reporting. Sadly, Lucy doesn't seem bulliable at all to me, so I think she'll be ok inside after the media storm wears off. She'll have the staff wrapped round her little finger and keep playing the victim.

I was not getting Munchausen vibes, because despite the needle stick "fainting" and attention seeking, I don't think she likes to look weak. I used to think the attention seeking was very much in the background to her primary motivations of sadism, power, thrill-seeking, and feeling of intellectual superiority (from tricking parents and doctors). But this info, if true, has changed my mind a bit. I still don't think she's at the level of having actual Munchausen's, but the attention-seeking might be more prominent than I thought.

Her brain must be a soup of seething hatred, resentment, entitlement, jealousy, grandiosity, bitterness, spite and cruelty. Imagine being so embittered when by her mid-20's she had a degree, a successful career, was a home owner, had a good social life and was considered attractive.

I also think she has been like this her whole conscious life, and nothing "triggered" her. Maybe something motivated her to finally cross the line into murder, but I think she's had these sick fantasies for a very long time, and probably trained to be a children's nurse specifically to hurt babies, plus having the respectability and status that she craves. She likely started off by hurting or sabotaging them in less major ways (like the heel-sticking torture that's been spoken of, and plunging feeds in), and eventually progressed to murder. It was probably a case of plucking up the "courage" for want of a better word, and getting herself comfortable. She probably built up by sabotaging the care of babies without the specific aim of killing them, just to see what would happen. I also think she might have finished off babies who were already naturally dying as practice. Then when she finally took control and played God by committing murder, it was addictive.

She caused chaos in the ward - making the medication calculation sheet go missing, the "accidental" phone call to babies A and B's parents while Baby D was dying, the not getting the camera in time. I bet she was the cause of some of the plumbing problems - one of them was from a wipe being shoved down the sink. There's a saying, when the cat and dog are fighting, the mouse runs free. So she causes chaos so she can sneak around undetected. I bet she has been doing that for a very long time.

My impression of her parents - from what I read, not what I briefly saw in person - is that they believe their perfect baby is innocent, but they know she's going down. I strongly suspect that Lucy was heavily spoiled as a child, especially emotionally rather than materially. Probably someone who grew up to believe nothing was ever her fault and everyone else was nasty and jealous.

Me-rail - I was very gifted as a child (in reality, I was just an early developer mentally), and my dad would not stop boasting about me, and making me feel better than everyone else. He would judge and dismiss my friends behind their backs, and boast about my supposed abilities to everyone he met - this was literally when I was toddler to primary-school age. I had a real nasty streak as a child, thought I was better than everyone and was consumed with jealousy about others' achievements, and was really horrible until the age of about 15. I imagine Lucy to be like this x 1000, and never maturing out of it.
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Great post. Wish I could be as articulate as this, could not agree more with most of it, especially the building up to it, 'seeing what happens', causing chaos and her background with her parents.
 
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Beigerac

timelapse37 said:
Great post. Wish I could be as articulate as this, could not agree more with most of it, especially the building up to it, 'seeing what happens', causing chaos and her background with her parents.
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I think one of the reasons why I’m so invested in this case is because I’m a parent to an only child who we obviously adore beyond words (‘there are no words’, urgh) and to be quite honest we spoil a lot. She’s very clever and talented beyond her years but I do worry that we overdo it with the encouragement. We do tend to put her on a pedestal and the journey to her existence was not an easy one and I think that contributes. I hope I’m just overly paranoid but I worry that we’re going to hear that the genesis of all of this was that her parents told her she was the best thing ever when she was a kid. Thankfully our little one is genuinely kind and caring but still, you worry about nature and nurture and all that.

On a separate note, I wouldn’t worry about the conspiracy theorists. No one would know who these people are if it weren’t for the internet. We know what the outcome of this is going to be and a handful of troubled people online aren’t going to have any bearing on it.
 
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F1Grid

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I think we're forgetting the most important question of all for all the newbies.

How many of you are Les Dennis sympathisers? ;)
 
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