I know right? I wouldn't leave my pet rock with the bleep. These people have to be doing it for attention or to make themselves feel intelligent. Go watch Midsummer or something, even if I thought she was innocent I wouldn't be saying it out loud at this point
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Another thing he has not told the Jury correctly is this. Letby had previously tried to say staffing levels were dangerous but when confronted by BNE about the staffing levels during each incident they were shown to be adequate and she confirmed there were no staffing issues during these incidents. Yet BM has said there were staffing issues, not enough staff etc. It could have been that there were times when staff numbers were lower than they should have been but it wasn't during these incidents but BM has attempted to convey to the Jury that the staffing levels were inadequate being a potential factor in what has happened to these babies.
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He’s basically said ignore everything she said in cross exam! Literally he’s said things like she wasn’t qualified to answer that etc
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There’s a trial in the same building that been going even longer than this one!
I’m still concerned she is going to be found not guilty due to a lot of the info being circumstantial and then I get really twitchy when all the Facebook huns start spouting their guff.
HOWEVER….. then I remember that the police saw reason to arrest her, not once, not twice, but three times…and are also running Operation Hummingbird in the background. They can’t have done all this without good reason surely? I know the police make mistakes and are not without fault but I can’t believe they would waste time and resources on charges which wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny. I keep coming back to these thoughts day after day. Am I the only one that thinks this?
HOWEVER….. then I remember that the police saw reason to arrest her, not once, not twice, but three times…and are also running Operation Hummingbird in the background. They can’t have done all this without good reason surely? I know the police make mistakes and are not without fault but I can’t believe they would waste time and resources on charges which wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny. I keep coming back to these thoughts day after day. Am I the only one that thinks this?
I’m exactly the same, especially with some of the cases like Baby H where it seems so circumstantial but then I think there must have been something for it to have been brought to trial? I really hope so.
I would hate for it to be a mess of different verdicts for different babies as it casts doubt over the whole thing.
This is me....I'm putting my faith in the jury and in the judge next week, who i hope won't confuse them even more or sway them in the wrong direction
I keep reading so many people, protesting her innocence...it's worrying
ETA..it doesn't help that it would appear that, on occasions last week, BM was " allowed" to blatantly lie at times....
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I hate to say it but we’re all for reasonable discussion on here so… Inadequate staffing on shifts prior to LL could have caused problems for “her” babies. I have firsthand experience of this, when you follow an unsafe staffed shift there will be things that couldn’t be done and you inherit deteriorations that have been missed or not able to be acted upon. I would imagine though, that NICU have protected staffing levels, in that you close to new patients if there’s not enough staff and borrow staff from other ITU if a problem arises (eg someone calls in sick last minute). That’s what’s bugged me about BM, everything he says is plausible if you don’t know the playing field. He’s thrown a lot of tit and I worry some will stick.
There's a post on Reddit saying Operator Hummingbird won't be about new charges against her but mopping up all the outstanding paperwork this case has created. Im not too sure I think there can be 3 years of filing and paperwork to do though?
I feel they wouldn’t fund op hummingbird without there being background information separate to the trial that we’re not yet aware of. Also believe that after the verdict we’ll get to hear about her student journey and background and it’ll be relevant but at the moment they can’t say because it wouldn’t be deemed fair. Nothing would sway be to NG now and I’ve been cringing reading the face posts
I read on the Guardian that last year she was at HMP Peterborough. Maybe she's moved
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You close but it means nothing because every unit is in the same position so you just have to suck it up. We close at 18 beds but I've worked a shift with 21 beds before, you can't stop babies coming if they're on their way and you can't predict term babies that might need to come.
We don't get to borrow staff from itu either, occasionally we might get someone from the children's ward that can look after our feeders and growers but adult itu nurses are no good to us as it's so different.
Hi everybody, just stopping by to say; Emma Kenny is a twit. The end.
I'm with you.
That's what I said a few pages back. The Crown Prosecution Service thought there was a case to answer and I think there has to be more than 50 per cent chance of conviction. They worked with the police for years to build this case and selected the charges that were strongest. As you say she was arrested 3 times. There are other cases they set aside and more being investigated with Op H. We have to remember this when we wobble!
It was reported that she moved before the trial to be closer to Manchester, Peterborough is to far to travel everyday.
I did hear that she was at Styal at some point but who knows…
Yes, I think you are right. I really hope so. Cant see that Op Hummingbird would just be for going through paperwork!I feel they wouldn’t fund op hummingbird without there being background information separate to the trial that we’re not yet aware of. Also believe that after the verdict we’ll get to hear about her student journey and background and it’ll be relevant but at the moment they can’t say because it wouldn’t be deemed fair. Nothing would sway be to NG now and I’ve been cringing reading the face posts
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I feel a whole lot better now I’ve read this Micanthus. Not that I’m over invested with this case at all.
Well maybe a little bit, I think it has been a disturbing case for us all. God only knows how the jury, families and staff involved feel. It must be awful.Did he also make the jury aware she isn’t qualified to say her colleagues are all incompetent? I’m guessing not.
The defence feels a bit wishy washy as there's no clear link between the poor staffing and the actual collapses. So if BM could find the staff rotas prove there wasn't enough staff, show medical neglect, then link it to the deterioration and death. Instead there are a lot of random collapses with no explanation. If a possible reason for the collapses had been found I would be more likely to think she was NG.
There are also too many incidents for it to be a coincidence. If there were only a few maybe it could be bad luck or somebody else doing it.
The theory that all the COCH doctors set her up to cover their own incompetences doesn't ring true, as each baby's care has been scruntised by police, lawyers and medical experts, would you really want that if you were a poor doctor.
I do sometimes worry she will be found NG but think when the jury go through the case they will find her guilty for at least the majority of the offences.
There are also too many incidents for it to be a coincidence. If there were only a few maybe it could be bad luck or somebody else doing it.
The theory that all the COCH doctors set her up to cover their own incompetences doesn't ring true, as each baby's care has been scruntised by police, lawyers and medical experts, would you really want that if you were a poor doctor.
I do sometimes worry she will be found NG but think when the jury go through the case they will find her guilty for at least the majority of the offences.
I wonder if she was moved from Peterborough as Peterborough is too far to travel from each day.
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Sorry someone said this before me but I've only ust seen the comment.
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Well I am feeling a whole lot better about this Monday coming than last week 
Cant believe we are at the final week 🩷
Justice is close, I am keeping faith x
Cant believe we are at the final week 🩷
Justice is close, I am keeping faith xOf course not he plays dodgeball
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I noticed BM didn’t mention the gang of 4 on his summary another thing he dodged, he must know that’s not true… I really hope there’s a proper rebuttal tmoro and that chester standard will be there!
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