Lucy Letby Case #4

[pommobear]

I've been following this case very closely and so far whilst I know what my gut instinct believes, I don't think the prosecution have shown any evidence yet that proves she did it beyond a reasonable doubt. They don't seem to have anything concrete, just circumstantial.

 

[just_nicole]

I don’t doubt that I would have been awful if she were innocent & it would have been horrendous for her mental health.
I too have suffered with my mental health & have had some horrendous thoughts etc but I just can’t imagine ever writing down that I killed babies on purpose?
Even if I was going through a mental break after being accused? Because why would I write that if I was innocent?

But that's the thing unless your in a field that handles vulnerable potentially very sick children you wouldn't have a need to write that.

As a parent my son has fallen down and I've instinctively said it's my fault, I should of done this, I could of done that and maybe that wouldn't of happened. I didn't cause the fall, but I still felt guilty I wasn't able to stop it happening. Flip the context to something less devastating and it's explainable and more relatable for most people.

Again I don't know if she's innocent or guilty, I just don't see the point in landing on a she's definitely done it because of a potential mental breakdown.

It's not dismissing your opinion at all you could be a 100% right, just explaining my thought pattern

 

[SaLou]

If I was on the jury I'd want to go home now and not waste 6 months of my life listening to people try and defend this sick woman.

 

[iLoveNectarines]

I think the prosecution need much stronger evidence for her to be found guilty. There is a lot of reasonable doubt for Me so far.

 

[Hollie Day]

I know there has been some debate of the relevance or otherwise of her looks/skin colour.

Which I won't add to except to say I ventured onto Twitter (a mistake) in which people are complaining that the press shouldn't be using an innocent looking picture for her. One has even written to the BBC to complain.

Lots to unpick there but I'll suffice by saying, maybe they are hoping for something like this instead?

I wonder what sort of picture these twitter twats would like instead. One of her in a witches Halloween costume. One of her drinking a can of cider and doing a peace sign or maybe in a Michael Myers costume
The main pictures they show of her are the ones where she's wearing her nurse uniform which makes sense considering what she's being accused of.

 

[Moronic]

I’m 50/50. I have reasonable doubt.

what if… the hospital was delivering sub-optimal care, as the prosecution has already admitted, and this resulted in a surge of tragic deaths. These tiny babies are so fragile, it could have been the whole team that were shit.

its happened in maternity services… and in mental health services… very recently where the entire team is guilty of gross negligence. In NICU there is a much higher risk of death from negligence due to the types of patients (teeny fragile babies).

 

[Hannah_204]

Completely playing devil's advocate here, but could we be reading someone's mental demise. Not so much a final goodbye note but certainly something written during a complete breakdown.

Anyone who has been close to that point will understand the levels of blame and self hating you suffercate yourself in.

Those notes were written after she knew she was being investigated for multiple deaths.

Even the accusation would have tipped me over the edge.

If she guilty throw the book at her, but if she isn't think of how mentally fucked you'd be after being accused of the vicious crimes she's been and nothing you were saying was believed?

Sorry not quite caught up yet but yes I thought this. Currently swaying towards guilty but IF shes innocent and she’s been moved to admin and she’s having a breakdown she could be very paranoid and writing down all the things on her mind that people were believing about her and saying to get it out of her head.

 

[dustyrhodes]

Harold Shipman has this mentality... believed he was doing superior work, he was a rubbish doctor but finally found some power believing he was putting people out of their misery. But there was a backstory with him that made his evilness more tangible, that lead him to what he did... Not that I’m excusing how evil he was! Letby doesn’t seem to have any of that? Correct me someone if I am wrong? But it’s like she just woke up one day, if she is guilty, and decided to start killing babies?

I will suggest at the end of the trial we will hear about disturbing behaviours from her, stuff that cannot be reported prior due to restrictions, and ensuring she gets a fair and unbiased trial.

 

[WestSideIsDaBest]

If they were babies of travellers she’s completely fucked in prison.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

You can still be in the NICU and be pretty certain your baby will be coming home (obviously no one can be 100% certain) but it seems these babies were doing very well despite everything going on and the deaths were not expected. I also think some of these babies need more credit yes there is always set backs but a lot of babies these days will come out the other side and just need some extra help so to keep loosing babies one after the other is a bit strange regardless of if she is innocent or not

Exactly, babies "who had not been unstable at all" or "on the mend", "suddenly deteriorated", "for no reason at all".
These unusual cases followed her from night shift to day shift. It's not a coincidence.

 

[SamPam]

The final feed she gave Child O was after he died?? Am I reading that correctly? Surely her documentation is false.

It means after his brother (child O 0 died. I had to read it twice.

 

[MmmB777]

Oh my god the end of their opening statement - post it notes found in her house saying ‘I’m evil I did this’ ‘I killed them on purpose’

This is so upsetting

I mean…… let’s see how this one is explained 🫠🫠🫠 I’ll wait.

 

[pommobear]

The Facebook searching thing doesn’t make her guilty. I often search people on Facebook. Randomers I might meet. School parents, people in the news. Guess it’s a nosey kind of thing I dunno. Hard to know if she’s guilty I’m not quite sure on this one.

I do this too and because I'm neurodiverse I remember names and dates that others definitely wouldn't.

 

[IGiveUp22]

Straight in with comments the hospital too should be held accountable

Which I totally agree with however that doesn’t mean she can’t also be a murderer???? (aimed at defence not you haha)

Also, to others, they can’t go down the insanity route, if they were, they’d have had to say that already

 

[FastAndTheCurious7]

Why wouldn’t he say “In that dock is a young woman who is innocent” I don’t know know anything about law but I’ve just found it a bit odd. Like he knows he can’t say innocent because he can’t lie in court. But anyone please feel free to correct me or educate me on defence proceedings.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

I'm wondering if this case could be make or break for Myers career.
It's a big one, and a guilty verdict would mean Lucy is the worst female serial killer in the UK.
If every verdict was returned Not Guilty, it could be the absolute making for him. Given his history and the amount of cases he's had success with.
Just a thought that's popped into my head, sorry if it doesn't even make sense. (I hate the flu)

 

[IGiveUp22]

I guess everyone is entitled to a defence & if she’s told her representative she’s not guilty he has to build a case to try show that even if it might be a weak one..it’s still a defence

 

[Milktray]

So the prosecution have had 2 independent medical experts in court whilst going through their opening statement, they are in the DM pictured arriving in Court today. But the defence, so far anyway, don't have any medical experts for their opening statements, that I am reading anyway?

I'm working, so really far behind today. But literally, the defence doesn't need to say very much, just enough doubt. Defence could waffle on, but there's no point because after this, prosecution will start their case and jury will forget everything defence has just said. Short, sweet and straight to the point. Ultimately the point the defence was making is that, there's no solid proof that LL was involved.

 

[stephobz]

I have to disagree with this. I don't think it comes across as his opinion. He's asking propr questions and has probably had experts help him with his preparing

So who DID it come into contact with?

If this is true and the prosecution can’t prove firmly that LL came into contact with that bag then I think their case is weakened.

 

[raspberryjuice]

the first word is definitely “they” imo, but i can’t make the second one out at all. looks like it starts with an i?

edit: actually, the second word looks like “can’t” to me - there appears to be an apostrophe. that doesn’t really fit with the rest though, but it’s such an agitated note that it’s hard to know what links to what in places.

It looks to me like
“How can things ever be like they used to be.
They can’t. I did this. I don’t deserve to live.
I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them and I am a horrible evil person”