Lucy Letby case #25

[Blockedbyadmin]

No way will she get a minimum sentence of 15 years if she's found guilty. Even if it's not a whole life order I can see her minimum sentence being at least double that.

sorry I said 15 as in good behaviourpeople get out early don’t they

 

[raspberryjuice]

Many of the pusher victims were his demographic too, young, drunken men who were vulnerable. Think that’s a great shout. I am still nonplussed re the lad who went missing at The Heaton Park Stone Roses concert, he was seen on cctv going near the river and then found in the ship canal days later. Why did he go into that place? Someone else ‘fell in’ near there too and drowned. Is there another serial killer in manchester?

Chris Brahney. One of the first missing person cases I properly followed.

 

[Tofino]

My dad had some of these things after having a hip replacement. However none of it was ever at my house!

 

[Morning_Star]

this to me sounds like a note made during an HR interview or similar..

Yeah, I thought it was keywords to jog her memory (like in a HR meeting, giving a talk, talking to someone on the phone, etc.). Instead of writing all she wants to say, she’s just writing key words to reminder herself of topics that she wants to make sure she covers/doesn’t want to forget to mention. What baffles me is why she’s added “cellulite” to that list. Is it a term that has a medical meaning (other than the appearance of skin)?

 

[Former_Antelopee]

I’d go for cats as well. Maybe they’d just been put to sleep and she felt guilty about deciding that and not trying to do more to help them.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

Were they saying the feed tube was inserted into the lungs or did i make that up?

I think one baby’s feeding tube was curled up in the throat, so couldn’t be aspirated, or fluid or air could not escape if on free drainage, but I don’t think it’s been reported that a feeding tube was in the lungs.

 

[stardust1]

That podcast talks about how BM thought baby Q's crash at 9.10am was 'grossly exaggerated'. Yeah, because a baby needing resus and an experienced consultant to be called is not a 'crash'. Honestly if this is his defence, it's pretty underwhelming and clutching at straws. I'm really curious to see how his experts will explain the vomiting of clear fluid, the insulin, air embolisms etc (given even LL is now caught on message saying it could be an air embolism - how will he explain her telling police she didn't know what it was). Because either his experts have a completely different medical opinion and it comes down to which set of experts you believe or his defence will just brush past the actual medical evidence and focus on painting the ward as chaotic and LL being dedicated (smoke and mirrors style).

if he does have medical experts saying something different but LL is found guilty, can that cause a ever lasting bad reputation for them? For example if they are called to another trial in a few years can the LL trial outcome be held against them ?

 

[Windowtothewall]

Is that a bottle of poppers? Oh I used to love them in the early 90s Didn't realise they were still a thing!
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Oh my bad, it'll be oil to go in the diffuser hahaha

Lavender oil i think, have the same bottle, ha.

 

[stardust1]

Didn't she say she had hypothyroidism and tremors? Maybe related?

yes I think you’re right. Would any of those require a crutch? Maybe on a bad day you would.

 

[avabella]

theres a lot more against her than just a facebook search in an understaffed unit though. And if you were innocent they wouldn’t spend 7 years looking at you because you searched many people on facebook

No I get that, I just mean in some of the scenarios it also seems like she’s looked at because she’s the one being looked at, if that makes sense. There are some instances where the actual action of LL hasn’t been described, just that she was in the vicinity of that child and therefore must be responsible.

 

[Doyouknowwhatimean]

It's not unusual for nurses, midwives, paramedics etc to view a consultant that they see regularly as a mentor. This is probably that same doctor that was giving her the heads-up of her HR troubles

 

[Tofino]

Anyone recognise the grey one?

 

[raspberryjuice]

Is court back today?

 

[DellaC]

Analysing every plot line and episode of Bergerac is an utterly heroic effort thank you

would anyone be able to tell me the titles of the two books you razor-eyed beauties sleuthed from her bedside? Being lazy and not scrolling back through the 9 pages of knob jokes sorry.
I’m going to try and pick the brains of my family member in the trade today, see what they make of that reading material (they want to start charging me though ).

Never Greener
In Shock

 

[hello from me]

Interesting reading regarding backgrounds and childhoods. Just a thought - she grew up feeling suffocated supposedly. Imagine if, in her head, she felt she was "saving" these babies from a childhood of being smothered and suffocated due to being poorly/small/born so early etc. I've seen a lot of parents of babies like the ones in this case wrap them in cotton wool their whole life, for obvious reasons. As fucked up as it is, maybe in LL's mind, she thought she was doing them a favour! Just something that came into my mind as we're all searching for some kind of "reason" that she could possibly do such an evil thing.

This is what I was thinking. Maybe even LL was born premature just a thought.

 

[Daisydunn15]

Reading that write up there’s NO mention of anyone talking about a years review or high death rate or even that LL is under suspicion of baby collapses. In fact Dr NN told her her performance was deemed flawless at the review of triplets (really?). There seems to be no trigger for her to need a timeline at this point for anything more than the triplets.

So WHY did she fixate on a timeline of last year…. All that had happened is she was moved to days at this point.

Ah so I misread the last time, she says timeline of 'this year' not the last year. So to me that sounds like a timeline of January-present? So she's not making a link covering the babies in this case at all.

 

[Doyouknowwhatimean]

I'm a social worker (adults not kids) and we have largely worked from home since covid began, with just an occasional office day. We obviously still do all the client visits but if I'm not visiting someone then I am generally at home.

Any client stuff we have gets taken into the office and confidentially shredded as soon as I'm next I'm the office. I think on maybe just one occasion I stopped using an old work bag and when I went to use it again there was an old client thing in there so off to work ot went for shredding. Can't imagine keeping stuff...I have enough of my own shit to store without needing other paperwork kicking about!!

That's got me thinking, with clinicians in the community like nurses, midwives, paramedics - they definitely do have paperwork on them all the time, some of it has moved to Datix / iPads but traditionally it was just kept in boxes.

Are we sure LL has never done bank work in the community or worked outside of a hospital. Just curious.

 

[geegeex]

I lurk in this thread but genuinely curious id you think LL is guilty, why do you think she done it?

 

[stardust1]

I know a couple of people who have been made non clinical, they've either had to do things like audits for the ward or they've been moved to an entirely different role like making appointments in outpatients or transferring paper notes onto the computer. She would still have been getting paid her band 6 wage too.

do you have to do something pretty bad to get put into a non clinical role?

 

[stardust1]

Your right about the medical equipment. Under lying health condition?