She could well of done and just got rid of them since, maybe this is why police were digging up garden, checking drains etc they maybe suspected she had this kind of stuff after investigating and hearing that she was involved in these memory boxes, and therefore realising she had plenty of opportunity to
The end of that message should say haemorrhage caused by me
duck sake, even the "x" at the end makes we want to slap her.
I get that, but she tried to do box for previous baby that she wasn’t designated nurse for, just a pattern of her being involved in these boxes, it’s something we will see again too. But the point I was really trying to make was more to do with the fact it shows her falsifying more notes, and more contradictions between her account of events and the family’s account yet again. And she said she’d asked permission which was clearly a lie
And sorry the parents would still be aware it would be ready when they were, the point was these parents had no idea so even if designated nurse she still didn’t follow procedure
Said something similar myself a while back; a lot of this stuff wouldn't be found until AFTER she was a suspect. Which is so....unbelievably coincidental?
I agree with you. She’s a liar.
Me either tbh, just giving my view on them being in court and they might be questioning themselves. God knows what her childhood was actually like, and as you say for all we know they could have contributed to this, not saying they did. We just don’t know
Especially after she claimed in her txt for baby C she had to “persuade” the parents to get the foot and handprints done
100%, you know your child's cry in your heart, even if you can't see them tooEspecially will all the sudden and unexpected deaths they had recently
You feel your child's cry in your bones. No one can explain it to someone who has not felt it but I 100% believe this mother.
You’d think the defence would have at least suggested this by now if it was the caseI don’t know why she also isn’t raising her concerns to staff members (maybe we haven’t seen them) if all these deaths were so unusual, how is she the only person that’s not raised concerns???
It’s extremely important to timeline, and to establish that LL has falsified notes and lied. Time also significant to mother walking in on LL harming him and being fobbed off and sent back up to ward. Her lying in notes is to do with her covering her tracks
I think the problems these babies had weren’t anything that they were seriously ill from/expected to die from. I know the colleague mentions just one thing wrong potentially wrong with E which is just feeding problem (except E was feeding ok from what we’ve heard so far), but as usual LL has a list of things wrong or may have happened to E. Also not all colleagues would be aware of problems with some babies as they weren’t designated nurse, so were going only on what LL telling them and even this one colleague asked was it sudden or unexpected, as she obvs didn’t know much about it. I know there were loads of failings, but these babies were not expected to suddenly collapse or die. This baby E certainly doesn’t sound anywhere near as poorly as others, even the medical notes so far seem to show no major problems
Exactly all of this
Yes I agree child E definitely was not as bad as others also seemed to be doing well . did child F die aswell ??You’d think the defence would have at least suggested this by now if it was the case
It’s extremely important to timeline, and to establish that LL has falsified notes and lied. Time also significant to mother walking in on LL harming him and being fobbed off and sent back up to ward. Her lying in notes is to do with her covering her tracks
I think the problems these babies had weren’t anything that they were seriously ill from/expected to die from. I know the colleague mentions just one thing wrong potentially wrong with E which is just feeding problem (except E was feeding ok from what we’ve heard so far), but as usual LL has a list of things wrong or may have happened to E. Also not all colleagues would be aware of problems with some babies as they weren’t designated nurse, so were going only on what LL telling them and even this one colleague asked was it sudden or unexpected, as she obvs didn’t know much about it. I know there were loads of failings, but these babies were not expected to suddenly collapse or die. This baby E certainly doesn’t sound anywhere near as poorly as others, even the medical notes so far seem to show no major problems
Exactly all of this
If the blood was there at 9 and baby was in serious distress and she did nothing about it.. it’s very significant too because the baby later went on to die and suffer huge blood loss. It’s why she’s had to say the 9pm feed was omitted despite the SHO saying they never gave that order. She had to say that because mum couldn’t feed baby at 9, they couldn’t be consoled and she sent her away.You’d think the defence would have at least suggested this by now if it was the case
It’s extremely important to timeline, and to establish that LL has falsified notes and lied. Time also significant to mother walking in on LL harming him and being fobbed off and sent back up to ward. Her lying in notes is to do with her covering her tracks
Because LL is trying to normalise it, by saying 'these things happen'. I presume she's trying to avoid suspicion by sending her colleagues down a different path whilst enjoying the attention its creating.I don’t know why she also isn’t raising her concerns to staff members (maybe we haven’t seen them) if all these deaths were so unusual, how is she the only person that’s not raised concerns???
xThis is something we are going to continue seeing throughout this trial. If she lies about so much that we now know about, and have proven to be complete lies, then how can anyone believe her about saying she’s not responsible for harming babies, and how can you believe her I can’t remember explanations to police either. If she’s going to be a pathological liar throughout, then how can you believe a single word of anything she says. And makes me far more inclined to believe other people, such as the consultant that was suspicious of her, the parents that accounts differ from hers and pretty much any other contradictory versions of accounts
lovely ideaWell today has been horrifically harrowing
I’m going to light a little candle tonight for that little Angel and all of the others
poor parents, especially the Mum after BM’s questioning
