Is it known as a fact that alot of the babies parents were medical professionals themselves? Now I'm in the NG camp but it did make me think. In the note she says she will never marry or have kids so I'm gonna assume those are things she wanted. Could she have been watching other medical professionals like her 'having it all' in her eyes marriage, baby and the job and decide in her own way to 'even the playing field'?
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Have been looking through the wiki, found her comment to doctor @Daisydunn15
I have been reading through the wiki and there’s certain bits that really do back up lots of what’s been said before this bit backs up your point here
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That comment is so sinister, especially is the transport team were there at the time!
The next two SS show that LLs notes again don’t match the mother of child Es version of events. This maybe isn’t her falsifying the boys as such but yet another example of it not matching another persons version of events
Next SS shows LLs notes again don’t match the recollection of the doctors account. Again suggesting her notes are falsified
Next SS shows LLs notes again don’t match the recollection of the doctors account. Again suggesting her notes are falsified
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Dr Evans isn’t mincing his words.
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Next another example of LLs version of events completely contradicts the parent’s. And therefore possibly making notes that are false
Again another example of her falsifying notes
Next two screen shots, see her disagreeing with another nurse about what would be better for baby, not direct discipline problems as such, but certainly shows that’s again she didn’t listen to others, and thought she knew best
Next screen shot is continuing on from baby I this baby she attempted 3 times before being finally successful, this also happens to be the baby she made the bath comment about AND sent the sympathy card too
Last screen shot shows that she didn’t always finish her shift when she’s supposed to, therefore not a leap to think she also came in early sometimes
Also wanted to do each screen shot separately so that the text I’ve written would clearly match each screen shot, but didn’t know how to do this. For anyone on the fence or having doubts, I’d honestly recommend to read the opening statements for each baby, most are on page 3 now of the wiki. Even just what we have heard on A-D and discussed on here, had me reading it with my mouth open going over it all again
and so much suspicious behaviour from LL really calculating. Please give it a read fellas
Again another example of her falsifying notes
Next two screen shots, see her disagreeing with another nurse about what would be better for baby, not direct discipline problems as such, but certainly shows that’s again she didn’t listen to others, and thought she knew best
Next screen shot is continuing on from baby I this baby she attempted 3 times before being finally successful, this also happens to be the baby she made the bath comment about AND sent the sympathy card too
Last screen shot shows that she didn’t always finish her shift when she’s supposed to, therefore not a leap to think she also came in early sometimes
Also wanted to do each screen shot separately so that the text I’ve written would clearly match each screen shot, but didn’t know how to do this. For anyone on the fence or having doubts, I’d honestly recommend to read the opening statements for each baby, most are on page 3 now of the wiki. Even just what we have heard on A-D and discussed on here, had me reading it with my mouth open going over it all again
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She's a piece of tit. I hope the jury are convinced enough to put her away.Next another example of LLs version of events completely contradicts the parent’s. And therefore possibly making notes that are false
Again another example of her falsifying notes
Next two screen shots, see her disagreeing with another nurse about what would be better for baby, not direct discipline problems as such, but certainly shows that’s again she didn’t listen to others, and thought she knew best
Next screen shot is continuing on from baby I this baby she attempted 3 times before being finally successful, this also happens to be the baby she made the bath comment about AND sent the sympathy card too
Last screen shot shows that she didn’t always finish her shift when she’s supposed to, therefore not a leap to think she also came in early sometimes
Also wanted to do each screen shot separately so that the text I’ve written would clearly match each screen shot, but didn’t know how to do this. For anyone on the fence or having doubts, I’d honestly recommend to read the opening statements for each baby, most are on page 3 now of the wiki. Even just what we have heard on A-D and discussed on here, had me reading it with my mouth open going over it all again
I’m going to go out on a limb and say he is actually a nice fella afterall. Unless ofc we really did ruin our own inside scoop by dismissing the OP that thought he was not a nice fella, really really not a nice fella (sorry couldn’t help it, after re reading the wiki I’m feeling so heavy hearted, so thought I’d make a quick “fella” joke cos for some reason that none of us can explain, we find it funny)
I couldn’t agree more. There’s so much on the wiki that I could have SS and posted to show how conniving she is, and started trying to cover her tracks more. Twisted and evil she really is. Would urge people to re read the wiki page 3 for the opening details for each baby, after all our discussion on here, and evidence we have heard so far I really did get a shock re reading it. Reading it there now, I see so much more relevance of a lot of the prosecution’s words in those opening statements. I also see so much more evidence against her, and her really beginning to cover her tracks more as time goes on. I also see her switching her methods up again to avoid detection, and her physically (more than injecting, actually causing physical trauma) attacking those poor babies, causing bleeding and one to even cry (which they don’t usually do at that size) suggesting she was inflicting pain. And her obsession with the parents. And some of what she said in txts to colleagues. Oh and she took home more than one nursing note home, for babies that weren’t actually her designated babies. Honestly I’m shocked PLEASE FELLAS have re read through of page 3 of wiki
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The prosecutor here explains much better, than what I’m trying to say. It really is chilling. She really is calculating. They are not coincidences
Only if we arrange it via a group chat called fellasWe should really get a coffee together sometime Fella
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See this doesn't help 'her condition could not have been better' that just isn't true. I know they felt she was improving but that statement is not true and is very easily pulled apart by the defence.
So frustrating when they only update via twitter. I don’t have one. Well I do, but I don’t remember the password etc and didn’t understand it. God I’m 32, I have become my mother.
Fellas Mark’s round up from today is here https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/n...ad-sleepless-nights-neo-natal-unit-incidents/
*edited to add the posts following mine explain what I’m trying to say far better than I’ve managed in this waffle here, thanks fellas
If you look at it in the context of his next tweet though, it appears he means at that exact moment, just before her collapse, not in general, she was the best she could have been as in she’s recovering. He makes it clear she was only recovering from pneumonia, not that she had recovered. Therefore, at that particular moment she couldn’t have been better than she is right now, as in she’s recovering from pneumonia, in the context of that he’s saying she’s recovering rather than getting worse. That’s what I took from it anyway
*edited to add the posts following mine explain what I’m trying to say far better than I’ve managed in this waffle here, thanks fellas
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I bet he wish he hadn’t asked. Compelling for me. I don’t think he’s saying she was perfectly healthy baby, he’s saying her condition was as good as it could have been at that time considering her start and that the improvements were good and she was being closely monitored.
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Isnt that his clinical opinion of that baby, at that time, and the fact that she was in NICU? I mean, obvs she could have been 'better' but to me he's talking about the situation then and there. Sorry if I'm wrong fella!
Obviously if she wasn’t sick, it could have been better.
In the sense that she was a baby who had been diagnosed with early onset pneumonia, been prescribed and administered appropriate antibiotic treatment and, at this point in her treatment journey, she ‘could not have been better’ after the actual treatment she’d had is probably projecting an accurate description for that particular time.
That’s not to say she couldn’t have had better treatment initially, she obviously could have.
I’m sure we’re only getting snippets so we are not going to get all nuances, but the jury will.
He doesn’t mean her condition overall though I think it’s in relation to the early on set pneumonia, her condition could not have been better ie. she was improving very well and there was no reason to suspect her condition would deteriorate.
I'm taking that fact with a large pinch of salt. What would be the chances of most victims parents being medical professionals? That would be astonishing!
We are only on Baby D, it’s been hard going listening or trying to keep up with the court between live reporting/ tweets, however
Dr Evans says “She was in a neonatal unit , the best place on the planet for her.”
But unfortunately for Baby D it wasn’t the best place as there was someone on that unit that was deliberately harming and killing the poor innocent babies.
At the moment all I can see is the defence trying to say they were ill, bad care and they passed ( they wouldn’t be in neonatal if they weren’t ill] so not sure what they are going to say when we get to insulin poisoning cases.
I can see people even believing that she could be innocent on some of these babies but surely by time we get to Baby Q you have to look at the chances of all these babies dying when she’s present.
Dr Evans says “She was in a neonatal unit , the best place on the planet for her.”
But unfortunately for Baby D it wasn’t the best place as there was someone on that unit that was deliberately harming and killing the poor innocent babies.
At the moment all I can see is the defence trying to say they were ill, bad care and they passed ( they wouldn’t be in neonatal if they weren’t ill] so not sure what they are going to say when we get to insulin poisoning cases.
I can see people even believing that she could be innocent on some of these babies but surely by time we get to Baby Q you have to look at the chances of all these babies dying when she’s present.
If I recall, the prosecution implied that the evidence becomes more clear and it gets worse as the trial proceeds.
The more this went on, the more confident (and therefore more sloppy) she became and I think that's going to start showing soon.
I'm seriously interested in her later text messages, not because I think its strong evidence but out of curiosity
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