Lucy Letby Case #10

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Windowtothewall

Christ, the NCA were involved? I assumed the criminal investigation was only led by Chester police.... That puts a different spin on it for me in terms of how serious this is and how involved the investigation would have been, because NCA deal with major crimes.

The intelligence analysts giving testimony for child A and B would have been NCA then. I did wonder who they worked for.
 
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Haveyouanywool

Guilty. Maybe, just maybe, not on all. After these cases are decided there will be more to come.
Oh, and I’m not rising to any obvious baiting.

 
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mRsKbRoOkS

This! ! so it does appear that the defence are trying discredit that there ever was a rash/mottling whatever you want to call it. Seems an odd line of defence imo, when letby herself referenced it!
 
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Haveyouanywool

The Dr saying that made me feel so sad. The baby would have had it’s nutritional needs met (either by bottle, ng tube or TPN). It would/should not have been hungry.
That baby was, most likely, in severe pain, and to think that pain could have been inflicted intentionally.
The smaller babies who would be unable to cry? Horrendous.
That’s what brought it home to me. Sadistic.
 
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Aberscot

He said Child A "had survived the most dangerous journey of his life" and, although he needed care for feeding himself, he "was doing really, really well" and "everyone one the unit would have been really pleased with how he was."

So Dr Evans an independent Dr agrees that baby A was doing well and in his medical opinion "there was no way this could have been done by accident".
So if its not Lucy [ who just so happened to be on shift when all these poor babies were dying] who was it …..
 
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EllsBellsWells

But with this in mind then it’s probably better to rename the title? As it’s not really accurate.
 

friedeggontoast

Dr Evans:

Somehow air had got into the circulation...I found this opinion without knowing about the rash and without anybody suggesting expressing concern of air embolus.

He rules out other conditions such as sepsis, a lack of fluids or hypoxia as causes, or contributing factors to the collapse.

He said he had "only one" conclusion, that Child A had received an air embolus, "through an IV line".
 
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Tofino

Third medical expert Dr Sandi Bohin

Dr Bohin says she was asked to peer review Dr Evans's reports and was to find whether she agreed with them, disagreed with them, or had additional findings to present.

She has also considered other findings from other independent experts in the case.

The UVC placement and long line placement did not have any contribution to Child A's death, Dr Bohin tells the court.

Was the stopping of breathing for Child A caused by his prematurity, the prosecution asks.

Dr Bohin said it could be ruled out as there were no previous episodes, and caffeine had already been administered to counteract it as a precaution.

She says the "only plausible explanation" for Child A's collapse is an air embolus.

Oh wow this is new information…. can anyone here elaborate?

Dr Bohin said doctors and nurses are "absolutely meticilous" in making sure even "the tiniest air bubble" is not injected by accident into a patient's circulation.

She adds that even if air was accidentally administered, there is an electronic pump system which would detect the air and stop the administration.

Dr Bohin explains to the court that could be bypassed further down the line by administering the air embolus via a connector normally used for administering drugs.
 
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friedeggontoast

Dr Bohin said doctors and nurses are "absolutely meticilous" in making sure even "the tiniest air bubble" is not injected by accident into a patient's circulation.

She adds that even if air was accidentally administered, there is an electronic pump system which would detect the air and stop the administration.

Dr Bohin explains to the court that could be bypassed further down the line by administering the air embolus via a connector normally used for administering drugs.


 
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friedeggontoast

This is just horrific to read I hope everyone is okay on here, I know this could be hugely triggering for many people.
 
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Tofino

Can any hospital staff here elaborate on the electronic pump system and being able to bypass it?
 
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Stiltoncheese

MmmB777 said:
Holy shit. Stomach flipping.
Click to expand...
I wonder how easy or quick that would be to do though, as the evidence so far has others in the room with LL when she allegedly did this and the window of opportunity was around 5 to 10 mins or something wasn't it?

Definitely quite damning evidence though. Be interesting to see how the defence try and counter this
 
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Tofino

I assume it’s a connector that already exists? Which wouldn’t be used for line placement or UVC. But I’d like to understand the electronic pump system as it’s not been mentioned before now. But wondering how that works to prevent accidental air embolus.
 
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friedeggontoast

Timings wise I’m still confused, it seems we’ve not had much clear information on that from the press. It’s hard to know what the timings really were!
 
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crumpets2

Horrific reading this morning. Please everyone take care and take time out if needed.

I have to be honest, I was on the fence about baby A but it seems so certain this was not an accident. It’s heartbreaking. Aside from being there, it doesn’t necessarily prove that LL did it - but I’m sure more evidence is going to point towards her.
 
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