Liam Payne

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I think the power dynamics between Liam/Cheryl are a bit murky (I didn't realise until I googled it just now that he was as young as he was when they got together - 21/22 from what I can work out?) but I don't think it's as straight forward as 'if the roles were reversed it would be unacceptable'. I certainly don't think it's comparable to Schofield, or even Flak when she dated Harry when he was 17 and she was in her 30s (?).

With the latter examples, the power imbalance is huge, not just with respect to age but with where all the parties were in their respective careers and the influence they could have over the other. We now know that CF had long standing MH issues and would not have been easy to be in a relationship with - especially when you're 17 and in the biggest boyband ever (I'm not sure where they were in their trajectory at that point, I imagine Harry was already way more famous than Caroline but had no experience managing it all, and was still a child). Thankfully it seems H was actually pretty grounded with a strong support network around him, which potentially protected him from what could have turned into an abusive relationship of sorts.

However with Liam and Cheryl, I won't pretend I'm totally comfortable with it and the armchair psychologist in me wonders if it speaks to some insecurities in Cheryl, but I do think the power dynamics are different. Yes, they first met when he was 14 which has parallels to Schofield but, unlike PS, there's no evidence of her having any contact with him (beyond what would be professionally appropriate) between then and when they got together. There's no tweets/snaps/leaked whatsapps between the two back when he was underage which would to me suggest grooming. That isn't to say they don't exist, just that I haven't seen anything like that.

From what I understand, they got together after 1D performed on the X Factor. By that point all the boys were in their prime, biggest boy band in the world etc, Liam probably thought his star would never fall. Yes, he's a lot younger but he's not the same 14 year old lad who had her poster up on his wall all those years ago, he's now got the career and networth to match, if not surpass, hers. This important to understand because power dynamics are about how we stay trapped in unhealthy relationships - Liam always had the power to leave, and he did. I agree he was young and vulnerable, and if Cheryl was my mate at the time I would be questioning 'are you sure this is who you want to have your children with?' but I haven't seen any other evidence that would suggest to me it was an abusive relationship. To the contrary, Cheryl and Bear could have been the best thing that ever happened to him if he could just let himself be happy and loved. All of this said as an ignorant bystander of course.
 
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Limmy builds walls around himself, eg says he's a socialist, an ally of LGBT, man of the people to bully people that aren't like him, eg people who aren't necassarily left wing, posh people, working class white people. If you aren't in one of his labels he will bully you. eg liam payne, richard e grant

man of the people but not all people is equal.
And how is any of that information relevant to Liam Payne’s death? I wouldn’t necessarily say that he is a bully either to the extent that someone would take their own life over his actions/comments. My point is that yeah he’s poked fun at Liam’s accent and odd behaviour but it’s not been anything else no one else has done before. Why make him an outlier?
 
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Even though I'm an old boot, I actually like a lot of 1D songs and harry and nialls solo stuff. What struck me today reading on the DM, that Liam had time for his fans when he was approached, posing for selfies. He seemed a nice person. Also, looking at other pictures of him, he seemed very sad behind his eyes. Speaking as a mother, I truly hope this was a tragic accident and he didn't suffer. He could have been having a psychotic episode brought on by drugs.
 
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"Heights over 30 feet also account for a large percentage of fall fatalities and have a greater probability of resulting in serious injuries involving the spleen, liver, and lungs, along with blunt chest trauma and rib fractures."

I think they said it was over 40 feet? I knew someone who died from a fall under 20 feet.
 
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I keep thinking about his parents. Does anyone remember in the 1D movie his mam had a cardboard cut out of him that she would hug when he was away for long periods of time on tour.
 
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I keep thinking about his parents. Does anyone remember in the 1D movie his mam had a cardboard cut out of him that she would hug when he was away for long periods of time on tour.
The mail has an article about this with her crying. They’ve done what they always do and put a sensational headline making it seem like it’s a picture from now when she’s crying
 
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I have a child the same age as Bear, I feel so sad a little boy has lost his dad 😭
 
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Benzos are not for bipolar it's anxiety meds am bipolar quetiapine and olanzapine are bipolar meds, he did alllued too that I thought it would of been bipolar meds in the room tbh.
If he doesn't take the meds tho that could be why he was not in a good way on top of illicit drugs..

I actually am not a 1D fan and the only ones I know from the band are Niall and Harry like since they left. I went and had a look at their auditions and some videos and Liams was the best audition. He reminded me of a Broadway actor/singer and think he could've done really well in that area. God it's so sad and like I said I honestly didn't know anything about Liam prior to his death.
 
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My sisters friend works at Birmingham airport and apparently his dad has flown out today to bring his body back. Got escorted through the airport. He is absolutely distraught understandably.
 
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I think the power dynamics between Liam/Cheryl are a bit murky (I didn't realise until I googled it just now that he was as young as he was when they got together - 21/22 from what I can work out?) but I don't think it's as straight forward as 'if the roles were reversed it would be unacceptable'. I certainly don't think it's comparable to Schofield, or even Flak when she dated Harry when he was 17 and she was in her 30s (?).

With the latter examples, the power imbalance is huge, not just with respect to age but with where all the parties were in their respective careers and the influence they could have over the other. We now know that CF had long standing MH issues and would not have been easy to be in a relationship with - especially when you're 17 and in the biggest boyband ever (I'm not sure where they were in their trajectory at that point, I imagine Harry was already way more famous than Caroline but had no experience managing it all, and was still a child). Thankfully it seems H was actually pretty grounded with a strong support network around him, which potentially protected him from what could have turned into an abusive relationship of sorts.

However with Liam and Cheryl, I won't pretend I'm totally comfortable with it and the armchair psychologist in me wonders if it speaks to some insecurities in Cheryl, but I do think the power dynamics are different. Yes, they first met when he was 14 which has parallels to Schofield but, unlike PS, there's no evidence of her having any contact with him (beyond what would be professionally appropriate) between then and when they got together. There's no tweets/snaps/leaked whatsapps between the two back when he was underage which would to me suggest grooming. That isn't to say they don't exist, just that I haven't seen anything like that.

From what I understand, they got together after 1D performed on the X Factor. By that point all the boys were in their prime, biggest boy band in the world etc, Liam probably thought his star would never fall. Yes, he's a lot younger but he's not the same 14 year old lad who had her poster up on his wall all those years ago, he's now got the career and networth to match, if not surpass, hers. This important to understand because power dynamics are about how we stay trapped in unhealthy relationships - Liam always had the power to leave, and he did. I agree he was young and vulnerable, and if Cheryl was my mate at the time I would be questioning 'are you sure this is who you want to have your children with?' but I haven't seen any other evidence that would suggest to me it was an abusive relationship. To the contrary, Cheryl and Bear could have been the best thing that ever happened to him if he could just let himself be happy and loved. All of this said as an ignorant bystander of course.
I agree with all of this. Odd relationship? Definitely given the circumstances. Did he get a leg up on the X factor with him? Absolutely not. She was also vulnerable at the time, second divorce, papers coming at her. But it poooed like they worked out as co-parents, and friends, him at Sarah’s gala and what not.

So yeah I do feel sorry for her for having to yell their son about him, and having to shield him from the photos of his dead body that will probably be online forever.
 
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Nothing from 5SOS which I find really weird. The 1D tour basically gave them their break when they toured with them. It feels icky to me they haven’t said anything yet.
In fairness it hasn’t even been 24 hours yet, people deal with things differently and in their own time. There’s no deadline to say anything, they don’t owe anyone anything.
 
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In fairness it hasn’t even been 24 hours yet, people deal with things differently and in their own time. There’s no deadline to say anything, they don’t owe anyone anything.
No we absolutely don’t and I don’t think the 1D men owe anything tbh. If they do a joint post on the 1D page and that’s it I would absolutely understand. But not 5SOS. It must be incredibly mind blowing for all involved though even from a long time ago.
 
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