Liam Payne #6

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I honestly can't imagine being in the position of the Payne family.

They've done Liam proud acting with dignity and restraint, and of course all the help it looks like they tried to give him in the years preceeding as well.
 
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There are certain circumstances where a text is appropriate (we lost a family member last year, and I was sent a text to let me know what was happening, because the person who sent it had his two very young, very distressed children with her - making calls while they were there would have been cruel). However...if ever there was a situation that required a phonecall, this was it. It wasn't just that he'd passed, it was that it was sudden, brutal and very public. I would be too terrified to send a text in these circumstances, because I'd be worried they wouldn't pick it up straight away for a start.
I don’t think I’ve ever EVER been told via text of anyone dying in my family - it’s always been a phone call - even family dogs
 
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Imagine getting a text telling you your brother had died. A gentle phone call would be far better. I do remember the news coming out really fast and it doesn’t surprise me his family found out from social media.
Telling someone their relative has passed is so hard. My nana died when I was 14. My grandad took the call, and he fell apart so not only did I have to talk to the hospital (would never be allowed now) who explained everything, I also then had to phone my dad (her son) and other relatives while consoling my grandad and wee sister who was there too. Grief does weird stuff to you as I went on autopilot doing the usual...if you are busy then you don't have time to think thing and looked after my parents, little sister and others and helped with arrangements...going with my dad to get the certificate, filing it and helping with arrangements for the funeral. It was about a week or so later when my aunt's boyfriend sat me down and asked how I was doing that I finally broke.

It's something I hope to God I will never have to go through again so in a way I can understand why some would text because no one wants to give that kind of news but a phone call is more personal than a text and the better thing to do if possible.
 
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I lost two close friends last year, within weeks of each other, and the daughter of friend 1 told me via text what was happening (brain aneurysm) and the son of friend 2 came round in person to say cancer had taken her after a hard fight. Whatever way, learning someone you love is no longer in this world, hurts so much.

Liam’s legacy will never be forgotten. The effects of global fame on a young man, more safeguarding needs to be done.
 
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As if there needed to be more proof that most associated with the BBC are knobs:


He's someone's father, son, brother, and it's disgusting to refer to him as he has in that article.

Maybe question yourself about how he ended up where he did Michael Buerk, whilst giving your head a wobble, I'm sure your association suitably profited anytime he appeared on anything BBC related.
 
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As if there needed to be more proof that most associated with the BBC are knobs:


He's someone's father, son, brother, and it's disgusting to refer to him as he has in that article.

Maybe question yourself about how he ended up where he did Michael Buerk, whilst giving your head a wobble, I'm sure your association suitably profited anytime he appeared on anything BBC related.
A "BBC Anchor" having the nerve to comment on a successful singer. Does Michael know how stupid he looks doing this?
 
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It's just so unnecessary!

If you want to talk about him, go ahead, but refer to him at least respectfully, something like a popstar or something similar, and leave it at that.

The mother of his young son has basically asked for respect and consideration, and if you have even a tenuous link to a national company at this point, to disrespect her wishes is just bloody cruel.

Any journalist worth their salt would be looking at the how and why, not just refering to him as disrespectfully as that article did.
 
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I think he's got a point. These kinds of stories, centered around celebrities that a large proportion of the population don't know and/or care about, are rammed down people's throats. They take up so much airtime for days or weeks after the event, whilst offering nothing new. I'm not saying his death shouldn't have been covered on the news, but it was "Breaking News" that he'd died for days; it's just unnecessary. I'd even go as far as to say the same about coverage of the royals, but at least people know who they are.

Calling Liam “a drugged up, faded boy band singer" might not be the nicest thing MB has ever said but, again, it's kind of true. He was high on drugs, his star had "faded" and he was a boy band singer. I'm not sure why you're getting so het up about comments made over 6 months ago.
 
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I think he's got a point. These kinds of stories, centered around celebrities that a large proportion of the population don't know and/or care about, are rammed down people's throats. They take up so much airtime for days or weeks after the event, whilst offering nothing new. I'm not saying his death shouldn't have been covered on the news, but it was "Breaking News" that he'd died for days; it's just unnecessary. I'd even go as far as to say the same about coverage of the royals, but at least people know who they are.

Calling Liam “a drugged up, faded boy band singer" might not be the nicest thing MB has ever said but, again, it's kind of true. He was high on drugs, his star had "faded" and he was a boy band singer. I'm not sure why you're getting so het up about comments made over 6 months ago.
My algorithm has betrayed me by bringing this up today (FFS lol), when checking you're correct and it did originally come out on 24th Oct.

I'm not sure whether that's better or worse though? Within days of his passing, he's being called a 'drugged up faded boyband singer'?
There's a time to call a spade a spade, and there's a time to have some sympathy.

His passing did probably receive an unwarranted amount of media attention, and its right to address that and the reasons behind it, but to insult him further is just a bit much, something like ' a popstar who'd struggled with addiction issues since the peak of his fame' would have been far more sympathetic to his loved ones.
 
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My algorithm has betrayed me by bringing this up today (FFS lol), when checking you're correct and it did originally come out on 24th Oct.

I'm not sure whether that's better or worse though? Within days of his passing, he's being called a 'drugged up faded boyband singer'?
There's a time to call a spade a spade, and there's a time to have some sympathy.

His passing did probably receive an unwarranted amount of media attention, and its right to address that and the reasons behind it, but to insult him further is just a bit much, something like ' a popstar who'd struggled with addiction issues since the peak of his fame' would have been far more sympathetic to his loved ones.
But then would we be talking about it if the headline had been “a popstar who’d struggled with addiction issues…”? Respect and truth don’t sell.
 
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I think he's got a point. These kinds of stories, centered around celebrities that a large proportion of the population don't know and/or care about, are rammed down people's throats. They take up so much airtime for days or weeks after the event, whilst offering nothing new. I'm not saying his death shouldn't have been covered on the news, but it was "Breaking News" that he'd died for days; it's just unnecessary. I'd even go as far as to say the same about coverage of the royals, but at least people know who they are.

Calling Liam “a drugged up, faded boy band singer" might not be the nicest thing MB has ever said but, again, it's kind of true. He was high on drugs, his star had "faded" and he was a boy band singer. I'm not sure why you're getting so het up about comments made over 6 months ago.
He had only really "faded" as you say because people were sending him a stupid amount of hate, jumping in at any chance they got and in the last 2 years before his death people chose to believe a man who filmed bodies in a suicide forest over a man who was clearly put in a vulnerable position by men who knew he had problems with alcohol addiction . People still hated on him even after Louis Tomlinson defended Liam and said he was clearly vulnerable. Then all the Maya stuff was coming out and people jumped on that. In his past 3 years alive, all Liam got was hatred, death threats and horrible comments sent his way. The last thing his family need (and after the mother of his son said to have empathy and respect) is more horrible headlines.
 
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He had only really "faded" as you say because people were sending him a stupid amount of hate, jumping in at any chance they got and in the last 2 years before his death people chose to believe a man who filmed bodies in a suicide forest over a man who was clearly put in a vulnerable position by men who knew he had problems with alcohol addiction . People still hated on him even after Louis Tomlinson defended Liam and said he was clearly vulnerable. Then all the Maya stuff was coming out and people jumped on that. In his past 3 years alive, all Liam got was hatred, death threats and horrible comments sent his way. The last thing his family need (and after the mother of his son said to have empathy and respect) is more horrible headlines.
With all due respect, the reasons for his popularity waning are irrelevant in the context of this particular story. You need to take that up with the toxic fandom. The truth is, for whatever reason, people weren't buying/streaming his songs in the same numbers as they did for 1D. And I imagine that's the same for all the lads, possibly excluding Harry (I don't care enough to check). In that respect, they all are/were "fading" in comparison to the 1D heyday, and that's totally fine and expected.

As far as I'm aware, neither the BBC nor Michael Burke used Liam's name to get listeners for this particular program. Other outlets decided to jump on this one comment to divert attention to their own content simply because, at the time, Liam's death was generating the most clicks. I think it's incredibly naive for anyone, family, friends or otherwise, to think the media would think twice about publishing sensationalised headlines just because Cheryl asked them not to or because he has a young grieving son. Like @tagliatelle said, respectful, sympathetic and empathetic headlines don't generate sales or clicks.
 
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Yeah unfortunately that's the sad truth, and the more shocking a headline is, the more clicks it'll get. They don't care about the implications such as Liam's son reading it when he gets older, or how his family will feel reading it. It's all about money
 
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Maybe I'd expect less if it'd been a journalist from The rum or The Fail, but a retired BBC news anchor? Obviously he's not responsible for the articles off the back of it, but he's definitely responsible for what he said in the first place.

Even the notoriously horrid Dan Wooton managed to show a glimmer of humanity:

"What an appalling tragedy and waste of life. Liam Payne was always the most mature member of One Direction in those heady early days. He was a joy to be around. The music industry is truly evil. My thoughts to his poor family, band mates and fans who will be devastated."
 
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Maybe I'd expect less if it'd been a journalist from The rum or The Fail, but a retired BBC news anchor? Obviously he's not responsible for the articles off the back of it, but he's definitely responsible for what he said in the first place.

Even the notoriously horrid Dan Wooton managed to show a glimmer of humanity:

"What an appalling tragedy and waste of life. Liam Payne was always the most mature member of One Direction in those heady early days. He was a joy to be around. The music industry is truly evil. My thoughts to his poor family, band mates and fans who will be devastated."
But he wasn't giving a statement about Liam or his character. I doubt he even knew who Liam was until after his death. He was talking about how reporting has changed over the decades and used Liam's death coverage as an example because it happened days prior. He probably would have said the same thing after Michael Jackson died, or Whitney Houston, or Amy Winehouse. I don't like the guy (some of the stuff he's said previously is absolutely disgusting) but I think you're blowing this comment way out of proportion.

Also, you might want to change your expectations about BBC employees. The victims of Huw Edwards, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris et al. would probably trust a journalist from The Sun/DM anyday.
 
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I read in the sun that liam left behind 24mil and no will. It now goes into a trust for bear. Is it a bit odd that his birth family arent considered?
 
I read in the sun that liam left behind 24mil and no will. It now goes into a trust for bear. Is it a bit odd that his birth family arent considered?
No, there are rules about what happens when someone doesn’t have a will, and it goes to the oldest child usually.
 
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Surprised at the choice of him having named administrators of his estate in court documents but not having a will. But I guess that's just a hindsight thing unfortunately, noone expects it to happen to them.
 
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Surprised at the choice of him having named administrators of his estate in court documents but not having a will. But I guess that's just a hindsight thing unfortunately, noone expects it to happen to them.


I'm surprised too. He will have had the best financial advisors etc, I would assume with that level of wealth. a will would be one of the first things to be sorted.
 
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