Liam Payne #6

[KINGAA]

Oh its not how she expressed herself and her love for Liam in the interview. It's the niggle with the family that I have ie the funeral and just other bits with them they just don't seem to really have anything to do with each other which is sad considering she spent the last 2 years of Liams life with him

Yeah, the focus was heavily on Cheryl being the rock and organising everything as if she was his wife when reality was, Kate and him were together for longer and more recent. He clearly loved her if he wrote a goal for 2025 was to get engaged.

Obviously because of Bear, Cheryl was involved and was in contact with his family most likely because Liam was supervised with Bear but I don’t know, at the time I felt sad for Kate. People were acting like Cheryl’s world is destroyed by losing the love of her like and while it is, it’s for Bear, not for her.

I think of my uncle who passed quite young and had a similar personal situation with ex wife with his son and a new girlfriend. His girlfriend organised a lot with the whole family and his ex wife came as support for his son. We didn’t erase the fact that he loved his girlfriend, probably actually more that he did his wife. Haha.

 

[sam0206]

Yeah, the focus was heavily on Cheryl being the rock and organising everything as if she was his wife when reality was, Kate and him were together for longer and more recent. He clearly loved her if he wrote a goal for 2025 was to get engaged.

Obviously because of Bear, Cheryl was involved and was in contact with his family most likely because Liam was supervised with Bear but I don’t know, at the time I felt sad for Kate. People were acting like Cheryl’s world is destroyed by losing the love of her like and while it is, it’s for Bear, not for her.

I think of my uncle who passed quite young and had a similar personal situation with ex wife with his son and a new girlfriend. His girlfriend organised a lot with the whole family and his ex wife came as support for his son. We didn’t erase the fact that he loved his girlfriend, probably actually more that he did his wife. Haha.

Yeah I felt like she didn't get her "place" at the funeral so to speak like they were together for a good couple of years, lived together etc. They were definitely partners and not just a fling so I do wonder what the reason was for that. Even if it was something to do with Bear like not confusing or upsetting him anymore by having kate being a larger presence at the funeral but I think she still could have been in the main family group. Although maybe it was even Kate herself that decided to be with friends that she perhaps knew better

 

[MammaTubbs]

I suppose logistically at least it's easier to organise a funeral in Buckinghamshire, if you're in Buckinghamshire too, and the press probably took advantage of that assumption and ran with it.

I'm sure he did still love Cheryl to some extent as B's mother, there didn't seem to be any animosity between them, and plenty of ex partners still have a great love and respect for their co-parent.

If it was Kate's choice to walk in separately, I can understand that, if she had walked with them all, comparisons would have quickly been everywhere (as they were to some extent already), comparing her and Cheryl's hair, clothes, facial expressions, who looks the most bereft, who was a better partner to Liam and so on.

Especially at only 25, I'd have rather been with a close friend, rather than amidst a close knit family who I don't really know.

 

[BobbyBoos]

She’s done a TikTok thinking everyone for their support, says a whole lot of nothing really. It’s so sad that her face is completely frozen at 25. Zero emotion.

 

[Fluctuate]

New Rolling Stones cover story.
It's a tough read in places so be prepared.

Liam Payne: Rolling Stone Investigates the One Direction Star's Death

archived 11 Feb 2025 17:21:41 UTC

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[MammaTubbs]

Eurghh honestly who does this speculation serve at this point, absolutely all round mess for everyone involved

 

[wellingtonboots]

I’m surprised to see Maya participated. Her statement sounds actually quite heartfelt, she obviously very much struggled with the fact that he couldn’t stay sober.

I don’t doubt that she went through some horrific times with him, but for me one thing that niggles, is that I saw clips of where she was actively enjoying the fans turning on him and I found that hard to watch.
I may be looking at it from a different perspective, as I have been an absolute horror when in alcohol addiction (granted I never chased anyone with an axe or threw them down stairs) but those moments when you sober up and either remember, or are told how you’ve hurt those you love, are truly awful and come with the kind of anxiety I wouldn’t wish on anyone. And ironically the only way to quieten that anxiety is to drink again.

I’m NOT excusing his behaviour or saying addicts should get off Scot free because they’re struggling, that’s not what I’m saying at all. But in this Rolling Stones article, in her statement she does actually genuinely sound like she loved and hoped for him to get better (even after them splitting), and I just find it difficult to correlate that version with the one I saw clips of, revealing the stuff about zayn and sort of mocking Liam and some of the fans turning on him.

 

[LittlePea]

I’m surprised to see Maya participated. Her statement sounds actually quite heartfelt, she obviously very much struggled with the fact that he couldn’t stay sober.

I don’t doubt that she went through some horrific times with him, but for me one thing that niggles, is that I saw clips of where she was actively enjoying the fans turning on him and I found that hard to watch.
I may be looking at it from a different perspective, as I have been an absolute horror when in alcohol addiction (granted I never chased anyone with an axe or threw them down stairs) but those moments when you sober up and either remember, or are told how you’ve hurt those you love, are truly awful and come with the kind of anxiety I wouldn’t wish on anyone. And ironically the only way to quieten that anxiety is to drink again.

I’m NOT excusing his behaviour or saying addicts should get off Scot free because they’re struggling, that’s not what I’m saying at all. But in this Rolling Stones article, in her statement she does actually genuinely sound like she loved and hoped for him to get better (even after them splitting), and I just find it difficult to correlate that version with the one I saw clips of, revealing the stuff about zayn and sort of mocking Liam and some of the fans turning on him.

To preface, i absolutely hear your point of view as someone who was in the position of the addict and I can’t imagine how awful that must’ve been to experience - I hope you’re in a better place. I’m going to come from the point of someone that experienced domestic violence as a result of drug abuse, I just wanted to say hope this doesn’t read as an attack towards you because it’s not x

My ex was a ray of sunshine to everyone that knew him, everyone loved him, no one ever had a bad word to say about him, he was everyone’s favourite person. Whilst that relationship ended a few years ago now, I still hope that they are able to get better and I loved them deeply, but even to this day there are times it still kills me that the version of him I knew is not the version everyone else saw, and that none of our mutual friends except one believed me. With Liam being adored by a large portion of people who believe he can do no wrong, I can absolutely understand why Maya might have wanted to public tear him down and out him. I can’t put into words how hard it is to deal with having to see and hear how great someone who was so abusive to you is and at the time of my relationship ending, it honestly took all of my willpower not to blast him on social media and beg people to understand what he was really like.

This is not to say I think Maya handled it the best, or that it excuses all of the bullying Liam faced, but that I do understand why she did it.

 

[Efpastell]

He sexted men? He wanted to get back with Cheryl and Kate was spending too much… and Maya left out worse things from her book… damn.

 

[MammaTubbs]

I’m surprised to see Maya participated. Her statement sounds actually quite heartfelt, she obviously very much struggled with the fact that he couldn’t stay sober.

I don’t doubt that she went through some horrific times with him, but for me one thing that niggles, is that I saw clips of where she was actively enjoying the fans turning on him and I found that hard to watch.
I may be looking at it from a different perspective, as I have been an absolute horror when in alcohol addiction (granted I never chased anyone with an axe or threw them down stairs) but those moments when you sober up and either remember, or are told how you’ve hurt those you love, are truly awful and come with the kind of anxiety I wouldn’t wish on anyone. And ironically the only way to quieten that anxiety is to drink again.

I’m NOT excusing his behaviour or saying addicts should get off Scot free because they’re struggling, that’s not what I’m saying at all. But in this Rolling Stones article, in her statement she does actually genuinely sound like she loved and hoped for him to get better (even after them splitting), and I just find it difficult to correlate that version with the one I saw clips of, revealing the stuff about zayn and sort of mocking Liam and some of the fans turning on him.

Passage of time maybe?
Especially since it seems they were still in contact to a point, I can understand her trying to help etc initially, then eventually her having enough and cutting contact, and then once he's dead reverting back to being a bit more sympathetic, as she's made it clear she loved him once and especially if they were still in contact at least up to some point in 2024, that makes his death a lot fresher for her than if they'd had no contact at all since the break up.

Overall, what a bloody mess and I wish he'd listened to himself when it comes to relationships and that he probably needed some time to work on himself foremost, still in love with Cheryl, messaging Maya still, all whilst in a relationship with Kate.

Speculation of course, but I'd say it's most likely he did have a personality disorder of some description (in my humble opinion BPD) , as particularly when it came to relationships he just clearly couldn't let go, at least in a healthy way.

Maya's said her piece now, and a lot of what other outlets have attributed to her wasn't actually from her, just 'sources' and were not included in her own statement, so hopefully she's left in peace now and not hassled for more information.

 

[KINGAA]

My ex was a ray of sunshine to everyone that knew him, everyone loved him, no one ever had a bad word to say about him, he was everyone’s favourite person. Whilst that relationship ended a few years ago now, I still hope that they are able to get better and I loved them deeply, but even to this day there are times it still kills me that the version of him I knew is not the version everyone else saw, and that none of our mutual friends except one believed me. With Liam being adored by a large portion of people who believe he can do no wrong, I can absolutely understand why Maya might have wanted to public tear him down and out. I can’t put into words how hard it is to deal with having to see and hear how great someone who was so abusive to you is and at the time of my relationship ending, it honestly took all of my willpower not to blast him on social media and beg people to understand what he was really like.

This hit home. I have a very similar experience and it’s so incredibly painful and you feel like YOU must be wrong or the bad one for how much other people love that person.

I think you’re right about Maya. I think she wanted to hurt him in the only way she could, to make people understand that he is NOT the person people think but she still loved him. Love never goes away which is what make situations with DV etc harder to compartmentalise.

 

[wellingtonboots]

To preface, i absolutely hear your point of view as someone who was in the position of the addict and I can’t imagine how awful that must’ve been to experience - I hope you’re in a better place. I’m going to come from the point of someone that experienced domestic violence as a result of drug abuse, I just wanted to say hope this doesn’t read as an attack towards you because it’s not x

My ex was a ray of sunshine to everyone that knew him, everyone loved him, no one ever had a bad word to say about him, he was everyone’s favourite person. Whilst that relationship ended a few years ago now, I still hope that they are able to get better and I loved them deeply, but even to this day there are times it still kills me that the version of him I knew is not the version everyone else saw, and that none of our mutual friends except one believed me. With Liam being adored by a large portion of people who believe he can do no wrong, I can absolutely understand why Maya might have wanted to public tear him down and out. I can’t put into words how hard it is to deal with having to see and hear how great someone who was so abusive to you is and at the time of my relationship ending, it honestly took all of my willpower not to blast him on social media and beg people to understand what he was really like.

This is not to say I think Maya handled it the best, or that it excuses all of the bullying Liam faced, but that I do understand why she did it.

Thank you for clarifying, and yes thankfully eventually rock bottom really was rock bottom and am coming up to 6 years of sobriety

That does make sense, and I think I would probably now say I don’t necessarily agree with all of her actions but can see her reasoning behind some of them. Funnily enough I did have a moment when reading the article, in which I thought to myself it must be incredibly tough when you’re finding out further hurt from someone (she says that the nudes being shared more than she thought, was only revealed to her after his death) and the majority of people are grieving that same person and only saying good things.

I understand what you’re saying, and thank you for explaining your point of view. I’m sorry you had to experience what you did and hope you’ve managed to get some healing in time. And thanks for understanding my post, was worried it wouldn’t come across how I meant! X

 

[Fluctuate]

Eurghh honestly who does this speculation serve at this point, absolutely all round mess for everyone involved

If you mean the sexuality stuff, that's been a topic of speculation for years for all of 1D. Not that that makes it ok. But if anyone chooses to focus on that tiny part, which of course some will, they've spectacularly missed the point of the article.

 

[MammaTubbs]

If you mean the sexuality stuff, that's been a topic of speculation for years for all of 1D. Not that that makes it ok. But if anyone chooses to focus on that tiny part, which of course some will, they've spectacularly missed the point of the article.

I meant speculation overall, I know we've carried on speculating about the speculation so are potentially adding to it, but a lot of the article is hearsay.

The Cheryl thing for example, there could be one confused Geordie in Buckinghamshire tonight that her ex partner of what nearly seven years ago was still in love with her? As that quotes not from her, and the only other person who'd know is Liam who's no longer around to confirm or deny.

 

[Fluctuate]

Reading the bit about how Mays wanted him to undergo 6 months inpatient treatment

I meant speculation overall, I know we've carried on speculating about the speculation so are potentially adding to it, but a lot of the article is hearsay.

The Cheryl thing for example, there could be one confused Geordie in Buckinghamshire tonight that her ex partner of what nearly seven years ago was still in love with her? As that quotes not from her, and the only other person who'd know is Liam who's no longer around to confirm or deny.

TBF, I think a lot of people have thought that too. He always spoke about Cheryl in a different way to his other partners, past or present.
But I get your point.

 

[wellingtonboots]

I feel gross even speculating it especially when he’s no longer here, but the claim about the guy who spent the night with him? IF true, and he was struggling and in denial about it, I wonder if that’s why he hired hookers the next day, to sort of prove something to himself?

Also did anyone notice in Maya’s quote she said something about him not facing up to who he really was, addictions aside?
I’ll see if I can find it.

Again I feel a bit off even discussing this, but that part just came as a surprise to me as I haven’t seen any sexuality rumours regarding him.

 

[KINGAA]

Also, that Maya after his death got more of his sharing naked photos of her, and saying he had some of other exes to offer so presumably that would be Cheryl????

He seems to be very confused and reading it, didn’t know how to be an adult.

 

[Bol85]

I feel gross even speculating it especially when he’s no longer here, but the claim about the guy who spent the night with him? IF true, and he was struggling and in denial about it, I wonder if that’s why he hired hookers the next day, to sort of prove something to himself?

Also did anyone notice in Maya’s quote she said something about him not facing up to who he really was, addictions aside?
I’ll see if I can find it.

Again I feel a bit off even discussing this, but that part just came as a surprise to me as I haven’t seen any sexuality rumours regarding him.

I mean, there we constant rumours about a gay member of 1D but everyone just assumed it was Harry or Louis. Maybe everyone was looking in complete wrong direction?

Really quite sad if true & he felt unable to just be himself. His whole life seems so sad

 

[MammaTubbs]

Like none of it makes sense, Liam's potential actions included which do indicate that there must have been something more to it than solely addiction.

Profess your love for these women (two of which you are no longer in a relationship with), whilst potentially simultaneously offering their nudes? Like he was still able to somewhat function, surely even he'd have seen that offering their pics about wouldn't exactly win either of them back

And that's without getting into any further speculation around his sexuality on top, it's just frustrating that B has to see all this one day, especially bringing Cheryl into it more with this one.

Even if Liam had done any of still professing his love for her or offering her nudes, struggling with his sexuality, if B ever had to know any of that at any point, surely any of that should have come from Cheryl, not bloody Rolling Stone

 

[KINGAA]

Like none of it makes sense, Liam's potential actions included which do indicate that there must have been something more to it than solely addiction.

Profess your love for these women (two of which you are no longer in a relationship with), whilst potentially simultaneously offering their nudes? Like he was still able to somewhat function, surely even he'd have seen that offering their pics about wouldn't exactly win either of them back

And that's without getting into any further speculation around his sexuality on top, it's just frustrating that B has to see all this one day, especially bringing Cheryl into it more with this one.

Even if Liam had done any of still professing his love for her or offering her nudes, struggling with his sexuality, if B ever had to know any of that at any point, surely any of that should have come from Cheryl, not bloody Rolling Stone

I think, he had bigger issues than addiction tbh, something like borderline personality or something. And part of me thinks, why the hell did Cheryl have a child with this man who everyone around said was acting like a child because he didn’t know how to be an adult. I think a lot of people failed him in multiple ways.