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Very sad for a baby and for her. She’s already had a life of misery and now she’s heading for more.

this guy has scammed a number of girls out of money. One girl killed herself and theft girl almost did.

i watched tinder swindler last week and thought of him.

the guy doesn’t even have a job. A tennis player that doesn’t play tennis and a model who hasn’t modelled in years. The only thing he has is a small share in a “learn to trade” pyramid scheme and there is no way he’s making enough money for his lifestyle on that.

she is the latest meal ticket. Now queue the bad behaviour when she’s stuck in pregnant. As for he will be awful to her. He will be more then awful he’s a complete and utter psychopath.

poor Caroline’s family. Anniversary and they are faced with this ! Timing is awful and insensitive of both !
 
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I got up at 5am

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They are both assholes. They used Caroline for their own gains. Sadly even in death that girl is being used even still. It’s tragic.
 
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Letshavealuck

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Please spill more!!
Basically she got her money back off him. Lottie payed it off. The story was in the papers. But then he started threatening her. Had someone smash her car windows etc. So she had to go to the police, and also start a civil harassment case. Once he started getting solicitors letters he seems to have stopped. The person he had smash her windows however has been criminally charged. If he implicated Lewis he will also be charged. He’s very very bad news! From a gypsy background.
 
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I got up at 5am

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Do you think. I feel they were all there when times were good and then when darkness hit it seems most found her too much to handle. My feelings are complicated on the whole thing but you can’t help but feel like she’s a massive loss to the world.
She is a huge loss. Problems aside she was a girl with a huge personality. You could feel the warmth off her from the tv. She was a gorgeous girl. I wish she could have worked through what happened & moved on. It seems unfair that Lewis is living his best life a year on. I’m not excusing what happened, I have many feelings on it but I do wish it ended differently
 
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I think fame works in mysterious ways ....or so it seems. Funny that some celebrities manage to keep their private life private, others appear to in the papers frequently. That’s not a coincidence.
 
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It sounds like you’re excusing it. She hit him over the head while he slept, the object is irrelevant. It’s still assault. She also upended the place and was erratic to such a degree that he feared for his life. She was still volatile when cautioned and upturned a table in the police station. Her behaviour that night was appalling. I don’t see why just because she is no longer here we need to pretend that it wasn’t. If it was a man who acted in the way she did we would not be forming hashtags, asking people to be kind in his memory and beatifying him. Anyway, it’s futile discussing it. She’s gone now. What’s done is done. I just disagree with people all over social media acting like she did by trolling. Trolls didn’t make her assault Lewis that night.
As I said, I'm not excusing it. Any relationship where violence happens isn't healthy. I'm saying there is more than one reason why people lash out. Trying to understand those reasons and empathise with someone, shouldn't lead to accusations of excusing someone. It's possible to see both sides without taking sides. Without such considerations how can the reasons for people lashing out be understood and treatments found.

She also self harmed that night. So what you see as someone being aggressive, I see as someone in crisis. I'm not saying my belief is right and yours is wrong. I'm just saying there are different options for how it can be viewed.

For clarity I'll add that my view point comes from experience with dealing with people who have extra needs, both from a mental health perspective and neurodiverse, so it's possible that forms a bias for my thinking. I have also experienced domestic abuse so I also know what it's like from that perspective. It's just so complex rather than right or wrong.
 
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GeminiMoon

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As if there's a thread about this lanky prick on here 🤦‍♀️
I think it started as a thread about Caroline Flack but was changed to Lewis out of respect, since at the time the main point of discussion was his relationship with Caroline. Now we’re all just rooting for Lottie to dump
him ASAP and for him to receive his comeuppance.
 
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ChloeBee

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I don’t understand why she was left alone on the day she killed herself. I understand she threw her friends out but I would have welded myself to the floor before I’d leave a suicidal person alone. She already tried to kill herself the night before. Why couldn’t they have rang someone to stay with her? I’m not blaming them for her doing it because realistically, she would have found a way eventually but I just can’t get past that those friends who were entrusted to care for her in her lowest and darkest ebb, left her alone for hours on the morning of her suicide. Nobody was there for her when she needed it.
With all due respect if someone wants to commit suicide they will most likely find a way. Caroline had apparently researched hanging, she had also attempted suicide multiple times in the past and self harmed. She could have said she was going for a shower and done it in there. Unless she was in inpatient treatment or being watched 24/7 it would be hard for her loved ones to prevent this. Sadly from the job i do i know people can be very creative in ways when they want to harm themselves and other methods are removed or they are being watched. Her friends/family had also had an ambulance come out the day before her death i believe however Caroline claimed she could keep herself safe/didnt have intent and was deemed to have capacity, if she had admitted how suicidal she was / she had intent to go through with it or a doctor had done a MHA assessment things might have been different. Its hard to say without knowing more detail/ her Psychiatrist's full diagnosis but it sounds very much like Caroline had EUPD from her behaviours and the way her family described her. She didnt want people to know and switched doctors a lot (her mum said), she had in the past also admitted not liking medication because she said it makes you flat (some meds can make you feel like this)
Its an extremely sad case, it does seem like Lewis exploited her, the selling the blood photo or sharing it or whatever he did was disgusting, sharing a photo of your girlfriend's blood as a result of a mental health crisis?! Having said that suicide is complex and she had a history of self harm after break ups/ fall outs so without extensive therapy, and/ or the right balanced lifestyle /meds etc its likely she would have done this even had she had a different boyfriend.
Its all very sad and somewhat avoidable as she had the means of paying for private treatment which a lot of people dont have (years long waiting lists/postcode lottery for some types or therapy) but I do understand why she felt uncomfortable accessing help and telling people especially with the press baying for information and photos. Feel for her family so much, rip Caroline.
 
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svdwoodsen

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I think fame works in mysterious ways ....or so it seems. Funny that some celebrities manage to keep their private life private, others appear to in the papers frequently. That’s not a coincidence.
Amazing how some A-listers are never in the news unless they're at a movie premiere or being interviewed for a magazine, but reality TV contestants and people like Courtney Stodden manage to get into the DM every other day. I guess the paps are just somehow more interested in the D-listers and choosing to pap them "living their best life?" :ROFLMAO:
 
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Suzesnooze

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He seems starved for attention. I know it's hard for celebs to date because you never know people's true intentions but he seems like hanger-on who was taking advantage of her and being naive with poor relationships in the past, Caroline didn't seem to know better.

Tbh, Lottie isn't exactly A-list (also a hanger-on via her brother and looks trashy) so maybe they're a good match after all. Terrible to see for Caroline's family and friends though, who are probably still grieving.
I'm a huge tennis fan but had never heard of him as a Tennis player but do notice some of the British tennis players i follow like his instagram posts. However, when he met Caroline I had never heard of him or noticed his modelling! I would say him and the previous ex Andrew were the only men she was with that seemed to enjoy the limelight. Her other exes seemed to keep a low profile.

I don't know much about Lottie other than she's Louis Tomlinson's sister but I expect they're enjoying doing the staged pap shots. You would think they would consider Caroline's family but then they're obviously young and selfish.

I don’t know this so I am guessing, but I think Carolines family knew exactly what he was like. He wasn’t invited to the funeral. I’m sure if they never saw him again they would be ok with that. He seems like a fame hungry wannabee
He probably would have been invited to the funeral if he hadn't sent that photo of the blood to his friend who then apparently sold it to the press. I think that told Caroline's family all they needed to know about him but more fool Caroline for still wanting to be with him even after he did that to her.
 
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Letshavealuck

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The prosecutor Ms Weiss stated at the trial hearing that she flipped a table and had to be restrained



We don’t know anything. You are inferring it was Andrew and filling in the blanks. The report doesn’t mention Andrew or any lamp he sent so stop implying that it does. We have no idea who was harassing her because it doesn’t state it. It may have been Andrew but it might not have been and I’ve no interest in playing hypotheticals and indulging in your speculation. “We” don’t know anything about the lamp and letter. And you are just an anonymous account on tattle peddling a bias narrative and clearly lack the ability to be objective.
I do know what happened as I know her and lewis. I’m not here to prove myself. The lamp and letter were not mentioned at trial as no one told the truth of their existence. What was mentioned was the continual abuse and text messages he was sending harassing her. Honestly believe what you like. The truth always comes out in the end and I’m hoping Andy us about to spill it!
 
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Chinese_whispers

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.I always thought Lou and mollie seemed really dodgy, to leave her was such a massive mistake.
Doesn’t matter if they stayed with her 24/7 all it takes is someone determined enough to do it and she’ll find a way. They both have lives too, Lou has a daughter and Caroline refused am ambulance and medical treatment multiple times.

A suicidal patient of mine a few years ago her mum had literally just gone to the corner shop and back and she hung herself from the banisters, she survived and went home after a week - and a psyche evaluation. She lit herself on fire in their garden 3 days later while her dad was in the house and died from her injuries. That doesn’t mean her parents were negligent it just means she was sneaky, determined and very very ill.

I can’t imagine being in Lou and Mollies shoes in that situation.
 
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svdwoodsen

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All the articles and pap photos of him and Lottie, within months of Caroline’s death, and you don’t think any of that is staged? Lottie recently talked about how she wanted to have a family soon, and that she was “maternal and baby mad” and all that happened after she started seeing Lewis. I can’t imagine a world where these two are not taking advantage of the extra attention and press on them and everyone knows D-listers don’t get papped that much unless they call them up directly. There’s a reason almost every article written about them has some variation of “Caroline Flack’s ex-boyfriend...” in the title.

No one is saying he can’t move on but why isn’t he doing it privately? He knows being so handsy with his new partner will draw attention due to Caroline but he continues to do it.
 
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Letshavealuck

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I think that is probably it.

It was reported that Caroline bailed him out with a fair sum and then Lottie. I imagine to get him out of trouble. He needs to get a proper job and leave these vulnerable girls alone 😡
Yes that’s true. Caroline was totally bank rolling him. Paying is mortgage and everything so you can imagine when she found texts from girls on his phone why she hit him with the phone. She wasn’t a domestic abuser. She was a normal girl heartbroken to find another guy using her. He knows that but he has let her name be tarnished! That’s why her mum said at the inquest Lewis knows what happened! I do feel sorry for Lottie but in time she will learn.
 
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He is a real piece of work.

Milked Caroline's death for sympathy and attention at the time, went all fire and brimstone on the CPS and police for their role in it all despite the fact that he was the one who called the police and made it a police matter to begin with! Zero self awareness as to the impact his lifestyle/contracting exes etc was having on caroline's wellbeing to get her to the point she was at the night of "the incident" whatever happened that night. and now, to cap it off, flaunting his new girlfriend around like Caroline never happened, to the horror of her grieving family.

Hope Lottie sees sense and gets rid!
 
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svdwoodsen

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He seems starved for attention. I know it's hard for celebs to date because you never know people's true intentions but he seems like hanger-on who was taking advantage of her and being naive with poor relationships in the past, Caroline didn't seem to know better.

Tbh, Lottie isn't exactly A-list (also a hanger-on via her brother and looks trashy) so maybe they're a good match after all. Terrible to see for Caroline's family and friends though, who are probably still grieving.
 
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Were you not the one telling us he sent her a lamp and how bad he was?

for the record I do feel sorry for him he’s obviously feeling very guilty but he should go and be with friends and family and seek some help. Of course he doesn’t deserve prison, I suspect he was arrested today more for his well-being
Yes I’m that very one! As I said I don’t like the guy.
He has reached out to me and said he is going to out himself in regards to his behaviour including the lamp and said he hates himself every day for the things he has done. He said he will openly admit everything!
I still don’t think anything he did was ok. They did impact C greatly, but at least he has enough of a conscience to admit it. Not like the other cowards!
He’s clearly very ill and the last thing anyone wants is another person dying. There has been enough upset and pain and regardless that he was a pig, he has a family, a mother etc
 
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Why would she even have kept this lamp in the first place and not chucked it straight in the bin herself?! Sorry but anyone could come on here and make all sorts of claims and pretend they’re in the know, all while posting absolute shite. We have no idea of knowing who anyone is or what agenda they may have. Which is why I only go with what was written in the court reports and inquest. The facts remain; she hit him over the head with an object as he slept. She caused a wound. She went crazy, tore the place up, she self harmed, he feared for his life, she resisted arrest and threatened to kill herself in front of officers. She upturned a table in the station once cautioned. CPS pursued the case even without Lewis’ cooperation because they had evidence a violent incident took place. She put massive pressure on them to drop the charges and killed herself the day after learning this would be going to trial.

I’m a bit baffled at some of the comments on here. Of course it’s sad that she felt there was no other option and she didn’t wait to have her day in court where she could have cleared up any misunderstandings. Instead she decided to take her own life. I just don’t understand the “oh wow the poor girl” “her shit friends” “she should have had better people in her life”, narrative that is so pervasive on here.
Her friends didn’t make her assault lewis. Trolls didn’t make her assault Lewis. Caroline alone is responsible for how that night ended up and not Andrew, Lewis who was sleeping, trolls, her friends or the CPS. Caroline is.

I just cannot imagine the narrative being the same if it was Lewis who was rummaging through Caroline’s phone as she slept and threw it at her and caused her an injury after thinking he found messages to other men. If he then took his own life after learning he would be charged would people be saying “Oh the poor bloke” if that was the case? Of course not. People aren’t even saying that now even though he was the one who was assaulted in his sleep, had his girlfriend take her own life and people hate on him because he had the audacity to move on with his life and find happiness without Caroline.

It’s no wonder domestic violence against men isn’t taken seriously.
For me personally what she did was wrong and she should have been punished. Same as wether it was a man or a women.


However. If that was a normal person they would be punished via the courts, not the victim sending pictures to a friend to sell to the papers, not ex’s splashing it across social media and harassing her (lamp or no lamp Andrew was posting and stirring the pot), not paps outside her house slashing her car tyres in the hopes of a reaction, meaning she had to leave her home and rent a new place.

She should have been punished yes. But by the courts not the circus surrounding it and that’s the reason I feel sorry for her. That she didn’t have to endure just the punishment of losing her job and whatever the court decided But the rest of it.

Andrew is also correct that when Ant was having mental health problems he got sent away for a year and came back to his job with the support of itv whilst Caroline was thrown to the dogs.

Caroline should have got help way before this incident occurred which is quite clear from reports of mental health.

I DO NOT condone any sort of violence man or women for the record
 
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