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Letshavealuck

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I cannot stand him. If Caroline hadnt met him she'd still be here!! He manipulated and used her and used her weaknesses for his own gain. Apparently when he called the police on her that night he said "I'm going to ruin you"... And he did. RIP Caroline. She deserved better.
That’s true and seemingly when she died he was skiing. She rang hysterical about her charges and he told her he would come home but not to bother him again and turned his phone off. She went a voice note saying “you will never see me again” he didn’t respond to it and the next morning she took her life. Don’t know how this guy lives with himself.I don’t think Caroline had good people around her just takers it seems
 
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Whitepillowcase

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I haven’t said he’s an awful person, and I don’t necessarily think they are wrong for being together. Grief affects people in different ways and they have both been through an awful time.

What I do have an issue with is that they supposedly managed to avoid press until the week before Caroline’s inquest. And the pictures on the DM today show him all over her. I just think they could be more tactful and respectful, when they clearly know the cameras are there.
 
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No problem Betty. Wont say another word and apologies for annoying you !
Don’t feel you can’t discuss things here, you can. Many of us really liked Caroline and don’t agree with the way things were twisted against her. No one knows what really haooened but her, Lewis and those she trusted to tell. Its true, don’t believe every that you read in the press.

She had her mental health issues and she didn’t get the right support because as she said someone close to her said she was draining when she tried to open up. Opening up us hard with mental health because sadly there’s still so much stigma and in her career even more so. I understand why she didn’t speak and get the help she deserved. She made mistakes, she’s human but that scum bag Lewis deserves to rot, he knows what he did to that girl. Her friends weren’t friends by the sounds of things, I feel so sorry for Caroline that Molly and Lou have basically taken the side of a very manipulative man over their friend, yet play the grieving friends all over social media. They sound equally as toxic. So, thank you for telling us more than we knew, it’s helped me to understand what she went through. What makes it so sad is that she felt that alone despite those people being around her, she deserved so much more ❤

I appreciate you telling us what happened x
 
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getmeoutofhere

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How are they inconsiderate for getting pregnant? It might not have even been a planned pregnancy and Lottie shouldn’t have to base her whole life around Caroline. It’s HER pregnancy which has nothing to do with Caroline, let the girl live her life.
I think they meant announcing it a few days before the anniversary of her death rather than waiting a week or two. Ie the announcement timing is a bit off considering he was Caroline’s bloke and she was meant to be a friend
 
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BettyCrocker

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Lou Teasdale is 36/37
Caroline flack was 40
Lewis Burton is 28/29
Lottie Tomlinson is 21.....

Why is/was Lou “friends” with a very young kid like Lottie? Is that not a bit weird, seeing as Lottie would have been a teenager when Lou was working with 1D? Why would a woman in her 30s have any interest in a friendship with a school kid?!

their whole social scene is a joke. The older ones need to grow the fuck up and leave the teens and girls in their early 20s to it!
 
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Letshavealuck

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He sent it to his ex who sold it iirc
Not his x. Seemingly a girl he knew from school. She was the original shoulder to cry on after the fight with C. He went back to C and dumped her so she sent the pic to the press. The fact is his girlfriend was taken off in an ambulance the day of the supposed “attack” she had slit her wrists and almost killed herself. He stayed at her house took a picture of her blood and sent it to loads of his mates and this other girl he was fooling around with. It’s shocking ! Poor poor Caroline.

Did he sell the story of all the blood after the ‘assault’ incident to the police?
Can’t quite believe Lottie goes out with him given her friendship with Lou Teasdale & Lou’s friendship with Caroline (including finding her dead). Must’ve been awful for Lou & it seems her & Lottie aren’t friends any more.
Lewis had everyone turned against Caroline when she died. It was a severe case of gaslighting. She was loosing her mind as she knew he was playing away. She was feeling like she was crazy as he was denying it and telling her it was in her head and she was crazy. Lou was not particularly supportive in that she thought Lewis was in the right and Caroline was over reacting. She supported Lewis when Caroline died and turned her back on Caroline’s grieving family. They didn’t want Lewis at the funeral, she helped him organise his own event and posted a pic supporting him. When it came out about Lottie and Lewis I think she realised who Lewis was and that he was a liar and a player. They all fell out for a while but now all friends. I think Lou was a shit friend to Caroline. She now has to live with that.

Lewis and Lottie were together within weeks of Caroline’s death. I think it’s disgusting, and although Lottie is young she should have morals.
 
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Vloggerfam

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She's never claimed she was her best mate.
So why the big fanfare about the paps simply taking a picture of the new love island host arriving in South Africa then? Twisting it to being about Caroline when she could have easily arrived into the country and got her bloke to meet her in a car outside. Instead he had to wait In arrivals, they both had to have a public reunion so she could passively aggressively tweet about the press.

She was fine taking press pictures a couple of days after the death at some showbiz awards though.

If you want to be in the press be in it, unfortunately you can’t be in it as and when it suits you only.

Laura whitmore has done nothing but raise her own profile on the back of Caroline’s name. That’s my opinion.
 
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g15maa

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First time posting here but I went through a similar thing although a little different, was with him from we were 14, were engaged and had our wedding booked, he constantly cheated and flirted and I always knew and he’d tell me I was crazy to the point I actually believed I was the crazy one, he had a really bad relationship with alcohol where he didn’t know when to stop. I remember bouncing a phone off his head on more than one occasion through the sheer frustration of seeing all these girls messages, he worked in wales for a while due to his job and I was even contacted by a girl he was having a relationship with down there but I was totally blind sighted by love for him and believed he would change. On my hen weekend he thought I wasn’t wearing my engagement ring and started harassing me and accusing me of all sorts, I had a light switch moment where I thought I don’t want this life anymore and I told him I needed space and we would talk when I was home - he committed suicide that night after sending me the lyrics to our first song. It’s been 5 years and for that first year I just cried and cried it took me 18 months to start dating again but I have still never met anyone as I don’t know if I am or ever will be ready. I lost myself completely and only just got myself back in the last couple of years. LB never truly loved Caroline and I remember thinking that when it came out about him and Lottie because 8 weeks after I was still staring at the walls wishing the world would swallow me up. It makes me so sad that if she had kicked him to the curb she would still be here 😔. Anyway sorry for the long message I know everyone is different in their process but I reckon they’d have split after the court case regardless because he didn’t respect or love her in the way she deserved 💔
 
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GeminiMoon

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He really was a terrible boyfriend to Caroline throughout by the looks of it.

At the beginning, he was inappropriately contacting his ex and allegedly asking to see her behind Caroline’s back. During the short months they were together, they seemed to argue a lot and Caroline was upset and confronted him about something on a phone even back in October last year, when they were in Ibiza. And then while she was waiting to go on trial, he was reported to be messaging other women (multiple) and saying that him and Caroline weren’t together. She seemed to know she was losing him and felt desperate to salvage their relationship and keep him on side for the trial. Now she’s dead, he shamelessly courts the press - I doubt him and Lottie were randomly followed on holiday by the paps and that the DM found out all the details of how they traveled on private jet etc and also lands all these exclusives without Lewis or Lottie’s continued involvement. Even worse, Lottie was allegedly Caroline’s friend and he or they chose to tastelessly parade their relationship on a sunny holiday in perfect timing to coincide with Caroline’s inquest, which he ducked out of attending at the last minute.

He wasn’t wrong to call the police when he was attacked and there is no excuse for violence but looking at all the pieces of the puzzle together, I can’t help but feel he is a very slippery, conniving and manipulative man with very little loyalty or morals.
 
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Letshavealuck

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Yes, I've just read it. It's incredibly long. It's interesting which sections different news outlets have chosen to print though.

He makes some really good points, particularly about media reporting, influencers and things people equate to success and I do think he's genuine in his feelings for Caroline and his motives. However, I also don't think he's in a very good place mentally. He goes off on a lot of tangents (which could be due to ADHD which he mentions in the post I suppose) and there are a fair few inappropriate comments in there too, especially towards the end.

I've previously thought he was a bit of a twerp but I've softened a bit. He was still quite young (early twenties I think) when he found 'fame' and he has clearly been very badly affected by media intrusion into his life. It's easy to find fault with people but sometimes experience of making the wrong choices is the only way to grow as a person. He does at least appear to take responsibility for things he has done in the past that he feels were wrong.

I hope he is able to be with those who care about him today.
Andrew sent Caroline a lamp in the post after she was arrested and a letter telling her she was a waste of space and toxic. He was a nasty piece of work and awful to Caroline and now using her death for some airtime. Yes he might be suffering with his mental health now because he is eaten up with guilt around what he did!

She admitted to the police the night she was arrested that she “whacked him over the head”.
Come on now. I know the girl is no longer here and that is sad but the rewriting of history and airbrushing of what went on is bizarre. We can agree that she was a flawed human who did something bad but didn’t deserve to feel such distress that she no longer wanted to be here. I don’t agree that she was some saintly paragon of kindness who was misunderstood and it was all a bit of nothing. It’s possible to think she did a bad thing that deserved to be investigated and also think it’s sad that she took her life over it.
that’s a complete lie! She hit him with her phone when she saw he was cheating on her. It was a once off moment not domestic violence or a serious assault !
 
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svdwoodsen

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They probably are staged, but even if they are does that really make him an awful human being? If it does they that makes every other current celebrity awful too, because they ALL do it. Publicity stunts have been around for generations done by pretty much every celebrity past and present... does that make all celebrities awful human beings too?
I think it makes him an awful person because Caroline passed away so recently and her death has been so high profile. Her mother is obviously grief-stricken and if he cared even a bit about her family and friends (which he should if he loved Caroline), he'd keep his indiscretions on the DL until some time has passed.
 
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ahtisyourself

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Hear me out and I know it’s irrational but I get fleeting moments where I’m almost annoyed at Caroline for ending her life over this idiot. I know it’s far more complex than that and if not him then it would have been someone else but god, she was worth so much more than that sad pathetic loser
 
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Can someone explain this... Who was the family member
You'll find it if you look hard enough but to be honest it's not gossip. It's something that is literally no-one else's business and it involves a child. The fact it was used as leverage (which in my opinion is blackmail under a softer name) is beyond disgusting.
 
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Letshavealuck

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So you don’t actually know anything as fact and didn’t see anything with your own eyes. The fact that he might have been with someone new 8 weeks later has no baring on the facts of the assault. In fact, if it was the other way around people would be saying she deserves happiness after all she has been though, good for her moving on after being attacked, etc..
it’s understandable that you want to defend your friend’s memory but it shouldn’t come at the expense of what happened and it shouldn’t include the slandering of others. I’m not even a fan of Lewis or Andrew in fact they both make my skin crawl, but this dismissing of the attack and low key blaming others for her own actions has to stop. What she did was wrong, she deserved to be prosecuted for it but didn’t deserve to feel such distress that she took her own life, and it’s sad that that happened. That’s my take on it and no amount of gossip, rumours of sending lamps and letters or moving on 8 weeks later will change that.
Not even responding to any more of your rubbish. Your nasty and with a complete lack of empathy for what she went through. I was just as much Lewis friend. I’m not sticking up for him because he’s an terrible person who almost had another girl killing herself right after this and went off with a mate within 8 weeks of her death. I also heard the guy call Carrie a cunt after she died! Who does that. And it’s not slander when it’s true it’s just fact !
 
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I apologise for typos, my iPad is not my friend tonight 😜

But they haven’t told us what happened?!!!! It’s all just Chinese whispers. Vague snippets of information followed up with obligatory “oh I can’t say too much/can’t give details/if you know you know/it will all come out”

Either say it all, come out with it all or just don’t say a damn thing yknow.
They have said some things but they don’t have to say everything as they then risk outing themselves and I wouldn’t want them to do that. Caroline’s old circle seem a nasty crowd. I’ve no issue with this person saying they can’t say anything further but drop a hint, I understand why they can’t. I know many don’t like people saying they can’t say anything more, I get that but I think we can all understand why and be polite.
 
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GeminiMoon

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I seem to remember Caroline had a framed poster in her house that said ‘lucky’ on it - I remember it because it’s such a juxtaposition to her suicide. I’ll see if I can find a pic…

There you go…it was above her bed. Doesn’t mean anything of course but if I was Lewis, his child’s name would remind me of the artwork that was above the bed where my deceased ex girlfriend slit her wrists in front of me amidst our final argument.
 

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Notredamn

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They probably are staged, but even if they are does that really make him an awful human being? If it does they that makes every other current celebrity awful too, because they ALL do it. Publicity stunts have been around for generations done by pretty much every celebrity past and present... does that make all celebrities awful human beings too?
When your claim to fame is being involved in the downfall (rightly or wrongly- toxic relationship) of your dead ex, yes. Yes it does make you a crap person. Acting like some celeb on IG and calling himself a 'model' for clout...he should have some dignity.
 
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Can't help but feel devastated that Carolines last thought was Lewis and now he gets to just live without a mention of Caroline even on her anniversary 🙄
 
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BettyCrocker

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Honestly prople need to either say whatever it is they know or claim to know or just not say anything at all.
All of this nudge nudge wink wink ohhhh I know something but I couldn’t possibly say what it is that I know because of this or that is just boring. It adds nothing to the discussion on here. Say it if you have something to say or don’t bother at all!
 
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