Krocks In The Kitchen

[LeonorG]

This may sound like a dumb question but from an insurance point of view..is any of this covered by the surrogate's insurance or by the Krocks' insurance? And now 2 months in an air bnb in Columbus? I thought they might discuss the GoFundMe excess last night but I assume it is being used for the baby now. I must say Jessie has put an extraordinary amount of additional stress on herself for the scans in two weeks. You could see her voice change when talking about this reality. There was a comment about Brian's reply to Jessica's mother when she said that her grandbaby will not be brought up as a barbarian or some such nonsense that Brian was talking about. I think he might be a MIL's challenge. He mentioned something about the child being ready to fight people etc. It was odd. I vote Brian's behavior more concerning than Kyle or Matt. He responded to the comment with something about this baby being a Krock and the tone I too thought was rude as did the poster. I am also left wondering about their longterm ability to hawk vegan plant based lifestyle considering being overweight (Brian) and Jessica's cancer. It does not make me want to look at their choices for myself. I don't like posting negative thoughts on them but I realized last night they sort of invite this with the things they do and say on social media. Love it when Brian said going to be the best traveled baby ever...and they plan to do lots of travel...and the money keeps rolling in?
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And now YTubers want to have an online shower for them and also gifts for Tess the surrogate. They are now figuring out how front and center this baby will be in their YT videos after birth.

You have brought up some interesting points. I just hope the Krocks won't film their baby.
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I watched part of the live, Jessica was making me sea sick, she was rocking back and forth constantly, i don't remember her ever doing that before. Anyway, I hope they thought this through and didn't rush it. (it's their life, so just my opinion here). Like Turaj said, she mentioned the fear of the scans in 2 weeks. I mean what if they are bad?? I'm all for having hope and wishing for the best but you also have to think of the what if's, especially if you are bringing in a baby and don't have a home of your own or jobs? She has already said she had severe depression just recently. Just a lot of concerning details. I truly hope for and wish nothing but the best for them, she does seem fragile.

See, I would like them to talk more about how the potentially stage 4 cancer was not found during her surgery. If I remember correctly, that has not been properly explained. She had cancer which was removed during the first surgery, then she was believed to have more cancer and they operated on her but nothing was found. Her case was dire for a while but then this "miracle" came. Does anyone remember? I did not watch their newest videos.

 

[LeonorG]

I think they are back on youtube because they will now really need extra funds. They have 100k subscribers and enough people watch them (+ the GFM and gifts) and they would be silly to not continue to be in the algorithm. I guess they could live off that + Jessica's job? They could be comfortable. I do not begrudge them doing this. Good for them. Their videos are usually good, they make an effort and they had lots of subscribers before cancer.

 

[girlwhowrites]

I am also left wondering about their longterm ability to hawk vegan plant based lifestyle considering being overweight (Brian) and Jessica's cancer. It does not make me want to look at their choices for myself.

To their credit, they've both made videos in the past when they've started gaining weight explaining why it was happening and what their bad habits were. Jessica made one video when she had a binge eating episode while Brian was at church, and Brian's also had periods of not staying on track.

A lot of vegan foods can be fattening (like fries and sweets) so following a plant-based diet won't always keep you slim if you keep reaching for junk food.

 

[TryingMyBest]

To their credit, they've both made videos in the past when they've started gaining weight explaining why it was happening and what their bad habits were. Jessica made one video when she had a binge eating episode while Brian was at church, and Brian's also had periods of not staying on track.

A lot of vegan foods can be fattening (like fries and sweets) so following a plant-based diet won't always keep you slim if you keep reaching for junk food.

They actually follow a very strict plant based diet. No oils, sugar, heavily processed foods. They did so well for a long time but both of them and especially Jessica use food as a coping mechanism and go off plan and gain a lot of weight. They try their best but often it just doesn't work out.

 

[girlwhowrites]

They actually follow a very strict plant based diet. No oils, sugar, heavily processed foods. They did so well for a long time but both of them and especially Jessica use food as a coping mechanism and go off plan and gain a lot of weight. They try their best but often it just doesn't work out.

Yeah they usually try to be strict, but when they start gaining weight it's usually because they've given in to guilty pleasure foods. In that video I mentioned where Jessica had a binging session, it was because she bought a box of chocolate peanut butter treats and ate the whole thing while Brian wasn't home. Brian's also mentioned buying snacks he usually wouldn't whenever he's struggling to keep the weight off.

 

[Turaj]

You have brought up some interesting points. I just hope the Krocks won't film their baby.
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See, I would like them to talk more about how the potentially stage 4 cancer was not found during her surgery. If I remember correctly, that has not been properly explained. She had cancer which was removed during the first surgery, then she was believed to have more cancer and they operated on her but nothing was found. Her case was dire for a while but then this "miracle" came. Does anyone remember? I did not watch their newest videos.

as I recall they had a suspicious nodule on another organ which would have taken it to metastatic stage 4 and therein was the difference in opinion of the surgeons /tumor board. They ended up doing the surgery and nothing else found....that gave them peace of mind. That may not be exactly how it went but how I recall it.
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I think they are back on youtube because they will now really need extra funds. They have 100k subscribers and enough people watch them (+ the GFM and gifts) and they would be silly to not continue to be in the algorithm. I guess they could live off that + Jessica's job? They could be comfortable. I do not begrudge them doing this. Good for them. Their videos are usually good, they make an effort and they had lots of subscribers before cancer.

unless there is more than one GFM account the main one is closed and they got more than needed.

 

[LeonorG]

To their credit, they've both made videos in the past when they've started gaining weight explaining why it was happening and what their bad habits were. Jessica made one video when she had a binge eating episode while Brian was at church, and Brian's also had periods of not staying on track.

A lot of vegan foods can be fattening (like fries and sweets) so following a plant-based diet won't always keep you slim if you keep reaching for junk food.

Also, good on them for becoming more healthy and changing their lifestyle. And for trying to stay on track.

 

[Turaj]

Also, good on them for becoming more healthy and changing their lifestyle. And for trying to stay on track.

I have always been of the opinion that the more extreme the diet you are on the more likely you will go off. Just a good balanced diet with lots of fish and chicken (non red meat) and veggies really works long term. Just my opinion. Needs to be simple and sustainable. Plant based can be fine but some of the potato and other extreme diets Krocks have been on are not sustainable. And exercise of course is important.

 

[LeonorG]

I have always been of the opinion that the more extreme the diet you are on the more likely you will go off. Just a good balanced diet with lots of fish and chicken (non red meat) and veggies really works long term. Just my opinion. Needs to be simple and sustainable. Plant based can be fine but some of the potato and other extreme diets Krocks have been on are not sustainable. And exercise of course is important.

100%. It's well-known that the more you restrict or try to control, the harder it will be to stick with it. Even consciously going on a "diet" is considered harmful and little beneficial. It is very difficult to get out of the dieting pattern. It can lead to binging and overeating. You can end up with eating disorders in the process which are very hard to get rid of.

 

[Turaj]

100%. It's well-known that the more you restrict or try to control, the harder it will be to stick with it. Even consciously going on a "diet" is considered harmful and little beneficial. It is very difficult to get out of the dieting pattern. It can lead to binging and overeating. You can end up with eating disorders in the process which are very hard to get rid of.

also the obsession yesterday in talking about Elsie's diet etc. I found bizarre....it is one thing to raise a child on healthy food and I thought the discussion was extreme.

 

[LeonorG]

also the obsession yesterday in talking about Elsie's diet etc. I found bizarre....it is one thing to raise a child on healthy food and I thought the discussion was extreme.

They are already planning the unborn child's diet? Hopefully it's just a discussion and they won't be too restrictive with their child's diet.

 

[TryingMyBest]

I watched them for years because because I thought they were quirky and odd but entertaining. Their highly restrictive food plan was obviously not sustainable and they just kept yo-yoing up and down but they were honest.

The quick decision to have a child when Jessica is still getting over the trauma of her cancer ordeal makes me less inclined to think they are, as poor Sarah would say, making good choices.

 

[Daisychain4]

You have brought up some interesting points. I just hope the Krocks won't film their baby.
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See, I would like them to talk more about how the potentially stage 4 cancer was not found during her surgery. If I remember correctly, that has not been properly explained. She had cancer which was removed during the first surgery, then she was believed to have more cancer and they operated on her but nothing was found. Her case was dire for a while but then this "miracle" came. Does anyone remember? I did not watch their newest videos.

Yes agree. I remember things being very dire pre and post second surgery and the projected prognosis appeared grim. Then results were released and they were fantastic (which was indeed fantastic for Jessica) but very puzzling given the prelude. Since then it’s been quiet on their front but seemingly Jessica is still in a good place cancer wise.
I would have many questions if I was her and wonder if they did in fact have lots of questions for her surgeons?

 

[TryingMyBest]

Yes agree. I remember things being very dire pre and post second surgery and the projected prognosis appeared grim. Then results were released and they were fantastic (which was indeed fantastic for Jessica) but very puzzling given the prelude. Since then it’s been quiet on their front but seemingly Jessica is still in a good place cancer wise.
I would have many questions if I was her and wonder if they did in fact have lots of questions for her surgeons?

She definitely had strange stuff going on. Didn't she have ovarian cancer and uterine cancer? And what ever happened about her ureter that was wrapped in cancer that couldn't be removed? She also had I think lots of liver lesions. Did they ever figure out what actially caused those? She was a complicated case.
Good thing she went to Mayo.

 

[LeonorG]

Yes agree. I remember things being very dire pre and post second surgery and the projected prognosis appeared grim. Then results were released and they were fantastic (which was indeed fantastic for Jessica) but very puzzling given the prelude. Since then it’s been quiet on their front but seemingly Jessica is still in a good place cancer wise.
I would have many questions if I was her and wonder if they did in fact have lots of questions for her surgeons?

I wish they did a q&a or a live on that instead of on baby making.

 

[Turaj]

I wish they did a q&a or a live on that instead of on baby making.

I was struck by many saying they would be making blankets etc. for Elsie. That seems such a personal thing that means something when a family member is the one giving the gift.........this child will get all these hand knitted blankets from strangers. I hope they just donate some to worthy organizations as well as so many gifts that will be coming.
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[LeonorG]

I was struck by many saying they would be making blankets etc. for Elsie. That seems such a personal thing that means something when a family member is the one giving the gift.........this child will get all these hand knitted blankets from strangers. I hope they just donate some to worthy organizations as well as so many gifts that will be coming.
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I remember people would send Jessica homemade blankets (and warm hats?) during (or before) her treatment too. She showed off some of them. Yes it's going over the top. Some people get too involved.

 

[girlwhowrites]

See, I would like them to talk more about how the potentially stage 4 cancer was not found during her surgery. If I remember correctly, that has not been properly explained. She had cancer which was removed during the first surgery, then she was believed to have more cancer and they operated on her but nothing was found. Her case was dire for a while but then this "miracle" came. Does anyone remember? I did not watch their newest videos.

Yeah, that was what I was most curious about. The organ they thought the cancer might have metastasized to was her liver. Apparently the doctors said that she was showing all signs that it had indeed spread there, not just through what they could see from images but through other signs too. However, they couldn’t get a biopsy of the liver (I forget what the reason was) so they never fully confirmed if she was stage 4.

The liver surgeon was also the one whose opinion got her big surgery canceled the first time. I think he said that since she was showing all signs of having cancer in the liver, that the surgery would end up not working in her favor. I’m not sure, but I think his reasoning was that a big surgery like that would end up working against her by making her weaker for the battle she would have to fight with stage 4.

 

[LeonorG]

Yeah, that was what I was most curious about. The organ they thought the cancer might have metastasized to was her liver. Apparently the doctors said that she was showing all signs that it had indeed spread there, not just through what they could see from images but through other signs too. However, they couldn’t get a biopsy of the liver (I forget what the reason was) so they never fully confirmed if she was stage 4.

The liver surgeon was also the one whose opinion got her big surgery canceled the first time. I think he said that since she was showing all signs of having cancer in the liver, that the surgery would end up not working in her favor. I’m not sure, but I think his reasoning was that a big surgery like that would end up working against her by making her weaker for the battle she would have to fight with stage 4.

Agreed. And the big surgery would not be attempted if she were stage 4 as in that case they thought that it would not make a difference anyway. If I'm not mistaken. And as they believed the liver lesions were cancer (making it metastatic cancer, stage 4) they were against the surgery. But then one doctor was willing to do the surgery which revealed no cancer at all. Anywhere. I think they expected to see cancer in another organ apart from the liver. And this is what still seems unclear to me. I think the 2nd tumour was meant to be in the uterus (The first one was in the ovary)? Why do I remember them suspecting endometrial cancer? Ovarian and endometrial.

I also don't remember why they could not check the liver but there definitely was an explanation.

 

[TryingMyBest]

Agreed. And the big surgery would not be attempted if she were stage 4 as in that case it would not make a difference anyway. And as they believed the liver lesions were cancer (making it metastatic cancer, stage 4) they were against the surgery. But then one doctor was willing to do the surgery which revealed no cancer at all. Anywhere. I think they expected to see cancer in another organ apart from the liver. And this is what still seems unclear to me. I think the 2nd tumour was meant to be in the uterus (The first one was in the ovary)? Why do I remember them suspecting endometrial cancer? Ovarian and endometrial.
I alao don't remember why they could not check the liver but there definitely was an explanation.

Of course the type of ovarian cancer in the initial diagnosis was wrong....