Kneecap

[MaryLou32]

The vast majority of people in NI want to move on but this narrative keeps sectarianism alive. I’m not saying it’s limited to kneecap, it happens on both sides but it’s horrific and breeds violence.

Yeah, it goes deep. The separate schooling system, the political system of power sharing and mandatory coalition, leading to numerous Stormont collapses and petty political point scoring.

It’s hard to find balance, I try my best but it’s hard not to get riled. Especially when accused or republican victimhood…. But anyway.

Recently I had a conversation with a friend who happens to be a unionist, about dual language signage in Grand Central Station, they argued Irish language was only representative of republicanism and if dual language signs were going up then there absolutely needed to be a union flag.

My response was fire away, throw it up. I couldn’t give a fuck about a flag, it doesn’t threaten me, I see union flags every day and get on with my life. That flag doesn’t represent me, I feel no affinity or loyalty to that it but can I look past it and get on with my day? Yes. It’s not difficult.

But could they accept that actually in one way or another they already speak the Irish language every single day through placenames and the language belongs to all (see Linda Ervine, Kyle Paisley and even the fucking OO)
No, total unequivocal unacceptence and denial.
Because of ‘every word spoken is a bullet’ blah blah fucking blah. A quote from what…40 years ago being used as a valid reason. And no current positive leadership on the matter from unionist politicians.
This is a really basic and what should be straightforward issue now Irish is a recognised language in NI and would bring us in line with the UK, but as usual, ‘themmuns’ want it so it’s a no from unionism.
This is one example- point scoring exists on both sides of course but fuck it’s frustrating.

 

[monga]

The wee froot in the tea cosey needs to wise up. They're all bellends, Larping wee shitebags who didn't grow up in the troubles and they thought they were so clever, until they found out otherwise and now are shitting themselves. I hope they get done for their comments, but then again, if they do, the Irish victimhood complex amongst Republicans will just get worse and more insufferable.

He’s a qualified teacher btw…It’s the refusal to be a victim really riles certain people the back of the bus isn’t very comfortable…Enjoy

 

[Veronicaaa]

What a boring bunch of bastards to turn a thread about a band displaying a Hezbollah flag and what came afterwards, into Rangers v Celtic.

Scarlet for you all.

We did manage to circle back to more important issues, I think -



But perhaps you'd prefer if the thread was just clogged up with multiple posts of shark teeth.

 

[Lazarus]

kneecap are one of the very few public figures highlighting the on going with the Genoc!de. It’s your kid’s kids that will be taught about this. There is no way around what is happening now and we know when it’s happened before.

We all have to live with this.

Very few public figures talking about it? Are you sure?
on my social media it’s a bombardment of death statistics, images of death and reports of bombings. I don’t think they’re the only ones talking about it - I actually think between rolling, 24hr News and constant sharing of information and misinformation on social media, people are becoming desensitised to it. When I say it, I mean atrocities in general; Israel/Palestine conflict, Russia/Ukraine war included.

People are reducing this to soundbites and digestible instagram length clips which are one sided (regardless of which side that is). Sure, Kneecap and others are talking about current events and politics, but musicians for decades and centuries before them have done the same. Look to Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, blues music, Joan Baez, The Byrds as examples.
For example, the Vietnam war and the killings there were the inspiration and subject of so many songs, albums, books and films.

None of them needed to use hyperbole in the way of a terrorist flag to make their point and none of them had access to social media platforms and still got their points across articulately.

Kneecap are cashing in on a current trend IMO. I’m not saying they don’t have a conscience; they probably have no more or less of a moral conscience or compass than you or I. They’re making a hella lot of money from spouting their views and waving terrorist flags then when they’re called to account for it, they deflect back to death counts in Gaza rather than apologising for saying MPs should be murdered.

 

[Wee Nora]

IMO, there’s a big difference between advocating for constitutional change and what Kneecap are doing. Glorifying violence, chanting ‘up Hamas,’ 'up Hezbollah', mocking victims of terrorism, calling for more politicians to be murdered... that’s not principled nationalism, that’s performative provocation. I know plenty of people who would like a UI that would never behave or speak like they do.

My point isn’t that anyone with a different constitutional vision shouldn’t participate in society. It’s that Kneecap, in particular, profit from the very system they claim to despise, while making a brand out of hostility. It’s not about opposing British rule; it’s about profiting off the UK while publicly ridiculing it with venom and bile. That’s the hypocrisy.

How do they “profit off the U.K”? Seems to me the establishment you say they profit from is trying to damage their ability to work and make money.
If it’s the court case where they were awarded damages after a judge ruled that the British Government acted illegally that you’re talking about then no, they gave every penny away. Not much profit there and they donated half the award to a community who identify as staunchly British but I can see how “Kneecap hate British people” is a more convenient angle.

 

[Wee Nora]

Maybe basic human decency? Lame af comment. You crack on with fangirling those IRA cosplaying gobshites.

Wise up Katy Perry (for one) also has a concert on October 7th. Are you outraged about that or is it only Kneecap that shouldn’t do their job that day?

 

[Veronicaaa]

I feel sick every time their names come up…even sicker that they are playing a gig on October 7th.

Sorry but what are they meant to do on October the 7th? Is it a new (inter)national holiday or something? Are we all to take the day off from now on?

 

[WinterSolstice]

BBC have banned Rod singing it!

Wow is there anything more fragile than an imperialist institution confronted with what it’s done

 

[BANRÍON]

As my non catholic friends and family will testify they got taught a lot of British History, not a lot about the world aspects unless related to Britain & favouring their involvement and definitely no Irish history.
I would bet that schools in the mainland UK followed the same pattern

As someone who went to a protestant school and was raised protestant, i can 100% stand behind this. I knew nothing of true, factual Irish history until I grew up, moved out and educated myself. They are none the wiser normally, but in this day and age, ignorance is not an excuse anymore, google is free folks!

 

[Spongebob86]

It's the hypocrisy of applying for British grant money when they so venomously hate the British. Are there no Irish grants instead? I suppose it's something else for them to sneer about, taking British money.

The audacity- happy to benefit from "the establishment" they oppose so much. Happy to have a British funded film produced, and do UK festivals.. if they hate the British and UK so much, then surely they shouldn't want to perform there either?

You know they live in Northern Ireland dont you ?? Like its not their fault that's under British rule

 

[pommynoir]

 

[Wee Nora]

There was at least one person who was trolling the threads, it got to the point you couldn't even repeat what the IDF were saying without being accused of antisemitism. tbf on a day like yesterday I was really glad it wasn't there, it would have got really messy.

When you’re a Zio and it’s been 4 minutes since you called someone antisemitic.

 

[MaryLou32]

Full Glastonbury line up out today, Kneecap are confirmed.
All the pressure, pearl clutching and performative outrage hasn’t worked. Oh dear!

 

[Wee Nora]

Hmmm! Sums up the British establishment

And they wonder why the Irish are pro Palestine? We see history repeating itself even if other people would rather believe propaganda instead of their own eyes.

 

[nothanksbabes]

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They won't investigate if your nan gets burgled though eh.

At this point Kneecap don't need publicists, they've got the police, the CPS, the DUP etc. doing all the hard work for them.

 

[monga]

Probably just get on with their gig like every other artist booked for that date ? The witch-hunt is bound to be moved on by that stage ? Today’s news is next week’s fish supper wrapper…I know they’re genuine because they’re celebrated across the divide.

 

[Fallfromgrace]

That reminds me - kneecap where meant to play at a Cornwall live festival but an Israeli Irish doctor complained he was going to pull his sponsorship for the Cornwall air ambulance if they didn’t drop kneecap. Personally Cromwell Hospital should drop this paediatrician that treats children yet wants Palestinian children unalived.

 

[Wacko]

Just back from seeing them in Fairview. I'm old enough to be their mother so I always thought I wasn't their target audience but I wasn't the oldest there tonight. The place was hopping, people from all over, all ages. They had plenty of fuinneamh. Looking forward to seeing them again in December.

Saw some videos on social media. Looked class! I'm going to see them in Glasgow in a couple of weeks. Also old enough to be their mother, but absolutely buzzing for it! I've ordered myself a wee T-Shirt (not the flaming buckfast one, just a logo one, cause I'm an old lady!). I think they're great. My adult children aren't really appreciating me driving about with the tunes blaring and singing along. Lowlife scum, that's what they say about me!

 

[MaryLou32]

Imagine finding out that a teacher, supposed to be educating your child and supporting them to grow as people was spouting Get the Brits Out and waving a Hezbollah flag and encouraging people to kill your MP?
You’d want them struck off. Doubly so if they were Muslim - you’d call them an extremist and wouldn’t want them near your kids.

it’s mad that you think someone’s political beliefs has any bearing on them being able or fit to do their job.
If you can’t grasp how artists might be somewhat performative and you find it difficult to separate that from real life, then I’d suggest you don’t ever watch tv or film, read books, consume art, comedy shows etc cos you’ll be in for a mad shock

 

[monga]

Nolan’s exceeded himself this time , interviewing a kneecapping victim (from the troubles) that maintains he suffers trauma everytime he hears mention of the band