Karen Read Case

[LondonCalling272]

My LinkedIn is outdated also, but has my education correctly. And, my company website would definitely have it correct. But, I'm never going to be called as an expert for anything. We will see what happens.

Hopefully, the accident reconstructionist is soon.

And, it is still hard for me to believe the commonwealth can totally change the way they do this trial compared to the last one.

It’s that the degree he did claim to have didn’t even exist and has been getting the other one for 17 years. How do you trust anything if the foundation is a lie?

That’s not just forgetting to update a new job or making something sound more important than it was it’s a blatant lie.

I don’t understand how they dropped the ball so badly with him. It will be interesting to see how Welcher compares to him since the reports are related

 

[Alittlebitofme]

Your credentials are everything if you're an expert witness. If he's lied to get the job in the first place that's bad. If his company has supplied the details they've got them from somewhere, i.e. from him.

I mean there's puff about your experience and you can big up stuff you've done to make it sound like you did more than you did/had a greater role in something etc.

But qualifications are binary you either have them or you don't.

I started an A level in Latin 30 years ago...gave up after three months - i've been meaning to start doing it again now I have more time. But I'd never say my A level Latin was pending. Especially if I were appearing in court as an expert in latin

Totally agree with this, it’s one thing to embellish your CV a little but when you’re an expert witness in a murder trial you better make sure all your affairs are in order. If you can lie about your credentials it just makes you not credible the stand. It also looks so bad on the company who will also suffer from this I’m sure.

 

[NarcRage]

It’s that the degree he did claim to have didn’t even exist and has been getting the other one for 17 years. How do you trust anything if the foundation is a lie?

That’s not just forgetting to update a new job or making something sound more important than it was it’s a blatant lie.

I don’t understand how they dropped the ball so badly with him. It will be interesting to see how Welcher compares to him since the reports are related

It's a total gift to the defence. A massive duck up.
She's still guilty though...

 

[avabella]

If we’re holding witnesses to such high standards (and again, he didn’t lie at all to the court or his job), then what about the defendant herself, who has lied numerous times? How can anything she says be credible, when she herself has lied.

 

[Alittlebitofme]

It’s that the degree he did claim to have didn’t even exist and has been getting the other one for 17 years. How do you trust anything if the foundation is a lie?

That’s not just forgetting to update a new job or making something sound more important than it was it’s a blatant lie.

I don’t understand how they dropped the ball so badly with him. It will be interesting to see how Welcher compares to him since the reports are related

Exactly and it looks really bad for Welcher coming in after that. I don’t think the jury would have taken anything he said today as credible

 

[Alittlebitofme]

If we’re holding witnesses to such high standards (and again, he didn’t lie at all to the court or his job), then what about the defendant herself, who has lied numerous times? How can anything she says be credible, when she herself has lied.

But he did lie though, he was caught out and rightly so. Even the report he done had the wrong dates on it, those little details are so important when you’re supposed to be an expert on the stand. The report he done looked like something my son would bring home from Maths class.

 

[NarcRage]

If we’re holding witnesses to such high standards (and again, he didn’t lie at all to the court or his job), then what about the defendant herself, who has lied numerous times? How can anything she says be credible, when she herself has lied.

Her biggest lie is that's she's pleading not guilty....
But anyway - this is an expert witness not just your average witness. So his credibility and the weight placed on what he is saying is greater and is based on his experience and academic background. You lie about that stuff and you might as well call Joe Bloggs in off the street for his opinion about it.
I really hope the CW haven't blown it with this. I'd hate to see her get away with it.

 

[avabella]

Her biggest lie is that's she's pleading not guilty....
But anyway - this is an expert witness not just your average witness. So his credibility and the weight placed on what he is saying is greater and is based on his experience and academic background. You lie about that stuff and you might as well call Joe Bloggs in off the street for his opinion about it.
I really hope the CW haven't blown it with this. I'd hate to see her get away with it.

It’s just smoke and mirrors yet again to distract from the main topic - the timeline. They knew this info would hurt them, that’s why they fought so hard to keep it out. So they’ve gone hard on a total molehill to make it look worse than it is.

Jessica Hyde who testified also had a date written wrongly in her report. These things happen, it’s a highly pressurised situation and these people are being thrust in front of the world’s stage in a very high profile case. I’d be shitting myself too and probably make mistakes all over the place inadvertently.

 

[juniperroad]

If we’re holding witnesses to such high standards (and again, he didn’t lie at all to the court or his job), then what about the defendant herself, who has lied numerous times? How can anything she says be credible, when she herself has lied.

This is an expert witness. She is innocent until proven guilty. Maybe the commonwealth will prevail with this jury and prove she did it.

We still have a ways to go. I have no clue if she is innocent or guilty; I am just waiting for the commonwealth to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Alittlebitofme]

Colin Albert

Why are they not allowed to name Colin Albert ?

 

[avabella]

Why are they not allowed to name Colin Albert ?

From Boston.com - In Monday’s order, Cannone left the door open for a third-party culprit defense implicating Higgins and Brian Albert, though she deemed the proof offered by Read’s lawyers “insufficient to support a preliminary finding that Colin Albert had the motive, intent, and opportunity to commit the crime.”

 

[Alittlebitofme]

From Boston.com - In Monday’s order, Cannone left the door open for a third-party culprit defense implicating Higgins and Brian Albert, though she deemed the proof offered by Read’s lawyers “insufficient to support a preliminary finding that Colin Albert had the motive, intent, and opportunity to commit the crime.”

Thanks, I didn’t see that. So can the defence call both Brian’s if they choose to but not Colin ?

 

[NarcRage]

From Boston.com - In Monday’s order, Cannone left the door open for a third-party culprit defense implicating Higgins and Brian Albert, though she deemed the proof offered by Read’s lawyers “insufficient to support a preliminary finding that Colin Albert had the motive, intent, and opportunity to commit the crime.”

He wasn't even at the house when Karen and John arrived. But she still wanted to try to blame it on an innocent young person....happy to ruin so many people's lives.

 

[LondonCalling272]

Why are they not allowed to name Colin Albert ?

Bev decided there wasn’t evidence he was in the house but one witness testified that “he wasn’t there at the same time as John” and there’s Colin contacting Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe subsequently went to Erin’s house when she had been telling people about and told her to put a fool in her mouth

In the first trial it came out about Colin having bruised knuckles in the days after John’s death. Colin said he fell on ice and put his hand down when he was falling so he fell onto his knuckles. Who braces themself with their knuckles??
There was also a big emphasis on 12:10 being when Colin left so that it couldn’t possibly have been him.

Another couple of weird things I remembered around this; Higgins was interviewed in Sharon MA, it was meant to be at a rehab facility - it was his lawyer’s office.
He also stopped talking to the McCabes / Alberts after the incident.

 

[LondonCalling272]

He wasn't even at the house when Karen and John arrived. But she still wanted to try to blame it on an innocent young person....happy to ruin so many people's lives.

Colin Albert does have a history of violence though and had messed up knuckles so the theory wasn’t plucked from thin air.

 

[Alittlebitofme]

Bev decided there wasn’t evidence he was in the house but one witness testified that “he wasn’t there at the same time as John” and there’s Colin contacting Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe subsequently went to Erin’s house when she had been telling people about and told her to put a fool in her mouth

In the first trial it came out about Colin having bruised knuckles in the days after John’s death. Colin said he fell on ice and put his hand down when he was falling so he fell onto his knuckles. Who braces themself with their knuckles??
There was also a big emphasis on 12:10 being when Colin left so that it couldn’t possibly have been him.

Another couple of weird things I remembered around this; Higgins was interviewed in Sharon MA, it was meant to be at a rehab facility - it was his lawyer’s office.
He also stopped talking to the McCabes / Alberts after the incident.

I fully believe Colin was in the house, why else would Jen have gone to Erin’s house and basically told her to shut her mouth. Then there is Ally McCabes life 360.
I didn’t know Higgins stopped taking to the rest after the incident, that’s very interesting.
There is so many unanswered questions, I hope the defence calls Brian Albert & Brian Higgins

 

[NarcRage]

I re-watched the Brians from the first trial. To me Higgins seems totally believable in what he says. And comes across kind of likeable.

Brian Albert I'm not so convinced about. He doesn't come well at all. Not very likeable. Something about him - he just appears a bit arrogant on the stand. But I believe him for the most part. The phone disposal I'm a bit about. I think he had a heads up from someone in advance of the order and got rid of the phone before he was ordered to hand it over. But I don't think it's because he murdered John, he just didn't want his whole life dissected and knew it would be.

 

[NarcRage]

Colin Albert does have a history of violence though and had messed up knuckles so the theory wasn’t plucked from thin air.

But he wasn't there. Mike Tyson is handy with his fists. He wasn't there either.

 

[LondonCalling272]

But he wasn't there. Mike Tyson is handy with his fists. He wasn't there either.

He was there that night, watch the first trial and everyone being extremely specific about 12:10

 

[NarcRage]

He was there that night, watch the first trial and everyone being extremely specific about 12:10

He wasn't there at the time John and Karen were there.
Oh that's a lie is it? So even more people involved in a conspiracy?