Karen Read Case

[LondonCalling272]

I suspect there were loads of disparaging messages about KR, poking fun at her, calling her all sorts and black humour about her similar that those found on Trooper Proctor's phone, so they decided to ditch the phones sooner than have those messages exposed.

I really don't believe that men who have spent their working lives in the service of the police would suddenly kill a friend and dump the body outside. They would have had to carry the body past several people who would be horrified and wouldn't join in a cover up. Just think about it, visualize it, it's a massive leap of the imagination.

And KR herself said she pulled a little shard of glass from John O'Keefes nose, are we to believe that he broke the glass and pushed the bit into his own face?

I don’t think they did but would a dad cover for his kid?

 

[evoway13]

I've rewatched the Amazon documentary.......the butt dials - there are some talented butts in Canton.....even holding a conversation from 2.22am between Higgins and Albert.....then Jen McCabe's butt joined in.....

Also, the snow plough driver who didn't see John's body at 2.30am .....and a couple of hours later, saw the Ford Edge near the flagpole

 

[juniperroad]

I love the conversation here, but doesn't it point to reasonable doubt? I hope the commonwealth finally proves how he died. I'm getting tired of waiting But, like Emily D. Baker says, "we will see."

 

[avabella]

I love the conversation here, but doesn't it point to reasonable doubt? I hope the commonwealth finally proves how he died. I'm getting tired of waiting But, like Emily D. Baker says, "we will see."

To me it’s glaringly obvious based on the forensic and circumstantial evidence that she’s guilty.

Everything around it is just circus. It’s smoke and mirrors to try and get people to form some alternate reason in their mind. The defence are clearly very skilled in creating confusion and doubt, and as unfortunate as that is, if that’s all it’s going to take to get her off they’ll have done their job.

 

[Magwitch]

The Prosecutors did a good multi-parter about this case. They are in the 'she's guilty' camp, as am I, on balance.

One thing they pointed out which stuck with me, is that in their experience (as prosecuting attorneys) it is almost unheard of for a cover-up involving mulitple people to stick. Unless it's mob/organised crime related, as of course they have their own methods of keeping people in line and sticking to the story. Being involved in something like this puts a huge amount of psychological stress on people and someone almost always cracks. Even if it's indirectly (someone can't take the pressure, gets drunk, tells someone they trust, that person tells someone else etc), the story unravels and the truth comes out.

This case is one of those. If you believe it was a cover-up, you have to believe that there are a ton of people who are involved, not just the people at the house that night, but many of the investigators have to be involved in helping in some way. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

 

[Alfie1234]

The main argument against the he was beaten in the house and left outside theory is simple to me. That is why would you leave your victim on your own front lawn? Surely you'd leave them down the road somewhere or as you say in the woods.

But then you open yourself up to being caught on camera. Front lawn was the easiest.

 

[Alfie1234]

This isn’t my work, but it’s a very good read.


This is long but really interesting and from [email protected]




"While the witness testimony over the last two days was relatively uneventful (largely just a repeat of expert testimony provided in the first trial), the arguments between counsel outside of the jury’s presence have been fascinating to watch and highly significant.

At issue was the most significant datapoint yet to be presented at the trial, specifically the precise timing of the so-called “trigger event” in which Karen Read’s SUV accelerated rapidly in reverse and – according to the prosecution – collided with John O’Keefe. As I noted in a previous post, the analysis of John’s phone paints a pretty clear picture of when he arrived at 34 Fairview, when he got out of the SUV, and when he and his phone stopped moving. These time points are known down to the second. What has yet to be presented is the prosecution’s evidence (derived from the Lexus’s onboard computer system) as to when the collision occurred.

At the end of the session on Thursday, the defense (via Robert Alessi) asserted that the prosecution had “changed” its story at the last second via a supplemental expert report. He stated that the prosecution was now claiming that the collision occurred at 12:32:16 (the exact same time that John’s phone recorded its last movement) as opposed to 12:31:43, which he claimed had been the time stated in prior reports. He asserted that this late-breaking change amounted to a Rule 14 discovery violation and that it badly prejudiced the defense’s case because they had already spent a lot of time on cross-examination of key witnesses (in particular Ian Whiffin) developing testimony that John had been alive and operating his phone after the supposed time of the collision. He claimed that the only way to remedy this violation was to exclude expert testimony about the magnitude of this “time variance” and the explanation of that variance provided in the recently amended report.

Unsurprisingly, the folks in FKR world took all of these claims at face value and are now completely bent out of shape about the supposedly dirty tactics of the prosecution and their attempt at “trial by ambush.”

With the caveat that all we know about this dispute is what Alessi and Brennan said in court (the expert reports are not public information), there is every reason to believe that the defense’s claims are deeply misleading.

First, as Brennan noted in court, it’s clear that the prosecution has always asserted that there was a time variance between the timestamps taken from the Lexus data and the timestamps from John’s phone. Brennan made exactly this point in his opening statement, in which he said the following.

"We also have the information from the defendant's Lexus black box. The clocks run differently, there's a 30 second variance, but it's right in the heart of that time. And you will see through the data, at that time, when he makes the last movements with the phone, is when her car leaves, 34 ft at least, stops, neutral, and then shoots into reverse..."

So the notion that the prosecution somehow sandbagged the defense into believing that the prosecution’s theory was that the collision happened at 12:31:43 is absolutely ludicrous. As Brennan noted in court today, the prosecution has always been clear (via its expert reports) that it believed the two clocks were off from one another, that there was a variance of roughly 30 seconds. What appears to have happened here is that – per Brennan – the defense offered an expert report arguing that there is no time variance and, in the process of analyzing and rebutting that report, the prosecution’s expert was able to put a more precise value on the magnitude of the variance (apparently between 21-25 seconds, as opposed to 30 seconds).

I absolutely think that Judge Cannone made the right call by ruling against the defense on this. The notion that the prosecution is “changing its theory” is absurd. There’s no question that its theory is (and has always been) that John and his phone stopped moving because John was hit by the SUV. So the variance between the clocks was obviously always going to be a point of dispute and an issue explored by the parties in their respective experts’ testimony. It would be absurd to bar the prosecution’s expert from explaining why he thinks there is a variance and what he estimates that variance to be. Both sides have had access to all the same raw data for quite a while and the point of calling these experts to help analyze its meaning. Hamstringing just the prosecution expert’s analysis would not be reasonable under the circumstances.

But the buried lede here is that the defense no longer seems to have any real answer to the Lexus data. In the first trial, in part due to the bungled presentation and analysis of this data by the prosecution, the defense was effectively able to argue that the rapid reversal trigger event could have happened at a completely different time and place, that the prosecution hadn’t established that they were even focused on the right “key cycle.”

Implicit in the legal argument we witnessed today, however, is the fact that this argument seems to have been put to bed. Both sides have now referred several times to timestamps from the Lexus’ “infotainment system.” So it seems pretty clear that the prosecution can now establish that the trigger event occurred in the early morning hours of January 29, 2022, within 30 seconds of the time when John’s phone recorded its last movement.

So even if the prosecution can’t conclusively establish the existence or magnitude of a time variance between the Lexus’ clock and the clock in John’s iPhone, the defense is forced to assert that the close proximity of these two events is purely coincidence, that John was somehow attacked by others (or at least had his iPhone taken from him) within 30 seconds of Karen throwing her SUV into a rapid reversal. That’s a really tough story to sell to a jury, particularly when you take into account all of the other evidence.

To tell a remotely coherent story, the defense will need to argue that John got out of the Lexus sometime just before the non-adjusted trigger event time of 12:31:43 (which, by the way, is not at all consistent with his Apple Health data, which shows its first post-arrival movement at 12:31:56). He would then have to have walked straight into the house or garage and immediately been set upon by his attackers and/or had his phone taken from him. Either way, the phone needs to have spent the rest of the night in a “pocket state” (camera covered), in a cold environment, and not moving. To reconcile the GPS data, the phone would also need to have (shortly thereafter) made its way back to the flagpole area without recording any movement and somehow have been shielded from the elements until John’s body was later dragged outside and placed on top of it.

Needless to say, these are not the ingredients of a story that makes even the tiniest bit of sense.

Given the way the prosecution face-planted in the last trial in its presentation of the techstream evidence and crash reconstruction expert testimony, I don’t want to get too far ahead of the trial and assume the prosecution’s presentation of this evidence will be as compelling as it seems like it should be. But I am beginning to wonder why the defense felt this was a winnable case. I expect that whatever ARCCA presents will sound at least superficially plausible, but in order for that type of testimony to convince jurors, the defense needs to at least offer some kind of plausible alternative theory. And I’m just not sure at this point that it’s possible to even construct such a theory."

Just because the phone stopped moving doesn’t mean John did.

 

[Magwitch]

Just because the phone stopped moving doesn’t mean John did.

She covers this quite clearly.

To tell a remotely coherent story, the defense will need to argue that John got out of the Lexus sometime just before the non-adjusted trigger event time of 12:31:43 (which, by the way, is not at all consistent with his Apple Health data, which shows its first post-arrival movement at 12:31:56). He would then have to have walked straight into the house or garage and immediately been set upon by his attackers and/or had his phone taken from him. Either way, the phone needs to have spent the rest of the night in a “pocket state” (camera covered), in a cold environment, and not moving. To reconcile the GPS data, the phone would also need to have (shortly thereafter) made its way back to the flagpole area without recording any movement and somehow have been shielded from the elements until John’s body was later dragged outside and placed on top of it.

Needless to say, these are not the ingredients of a story that makes even the tiniest bit of sense.

 

[LondonCalling272]

To me it’s glaringly obvious based on the forensic and circumstantial evidence that she’s guilty.

Injuries don’t line up with being hit by a car, an elbow can’t break a tail light like that and a police officer from another town testified the light wasn’t broken it was cracked with a small piece missing.

Key cycle 1162 is when the reverse was meant to have happened - this was when the car was in Dighton not canton.

John’s clothing was left in a police car for a number of weeks.

Commonwealth have had to change their timeline 4 times to try and make it fit.

Half of the tail light pieces from Fairview don’t match Karen’s car.

Lucky Loughran driving a snow plough with a lot of bright lights didn’t see anything at 2:45 then passes again at 3:30 and the Ford Edge is there.

Colin Albert asked Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe threatens Erin for talking about it. Colin Albert had bruised knuckles after that night. Everyone lied about Colin being there that night which makes zero sense if he didn’t do anything

Higgins said he went to the police department to move cars but you see him on video taking things out of cars then on the phone

Judge Cannone was asked to recuse herself from the case… the McCabes call her Auntie Bev and there was allegedly a venmo payment for her renting beach house which she got around by saying it was the wrong spelling of her first name.

If it was a fight gone wrong it wouldn’t have taken that many people to be in on it to cover it up. I think if it hadn’t been Karen then Lucky Loughran would have got the blame.

 

[avabella]

Injuries don’t line up with being hit by a car, an elbow can’t break a tail light like that and a police officer from another town testified the light wasn’t broken it was cracked with a small piece missing.

Key cycle 1162 is when the reverse was meant to have happened - this was when the car was in Dighton not canton.

John’s clothing was left in a police car for a number of weeks.

Commonwealth have had to change their timeline 4 times to try and make it fit.

Half of the tail light pieces from Fairview don’t match Karen’s car.

Lucky Loughran driving a snow plough with a lot of bright lights didn’t see anything at 2:45 then passes again at 3:30 and the Ford Edge is there.

Colin Albert asked Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe threatens Erin for talking about it. Colin Albert had bruised knuckles after that night. Everyone lied about Colin being there that night which makes zero sense if he didn’t do anything

Higgins said he went to the police department to move cars but you see him on video taking things out of cars then on the phone

Judge Cannone was asked to recuse herself from the case… the McCabes call her Auntie Bev and there was allegedly a venmo payment for her renting beach house which she got around by saying it was the wrong spelling of her first name.

If it was a fight gone wrong it wouldn’t have taken that many people to be in on it to cover it up. I think if it hadn’t been Karen then Lucky Loughran would have got the blame.

Injuries don’t line up with being hit from the front of a car - all parties agreed on that.

Key cycles - ARCCA themselves said their scope was limited - not sure if they had all the data. And it really comes down to who you believe has extracted and analysed the data, properly.

John’s clothing left in a police car - no evidence is was tampered with.

Commonwealth haven’t *changed* a timeline, the evidence extracted from data has given new perspectives and information.

Tail light pieces were all stated to have matched - are you suggesting there are foreign tail light pieces?

Lucky is a severely colour blind, ageing plow driver. He also testified he hit a basketball hoop that night in his tow truck, not exactly the observant, careful driver he’s being made out to be.

 

[avabella]

Injuries don’t line up with being hit by a car, an elbow can’t break a tail light like that and a police officer from another town testified the light wasn’t broken it was cracked with a small piece missing.

Key cycle 1162 is when the reverse was meant to have happened - this was when the car was in Dighton not canton.

John’s clothing was left in a police car for a number of weeks.

Commonwealth have had to change their timeline 4 times to try and make it fit.

Half of the tail light pieces from Fairview don’t match Karen’s car.

Lucky Loughran driving a snow plough with a lot of bright lights didn’t see anything at 2:45 then passes again at 3:30 and the Ford Edge is there.

Colin Albert asked Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe threatens Erin for talking about it. Colin Albert had bruised knuckles after that night. Everyone lied about Colin being there that night which makes zero sense if he didn’t do anything

Higgins said he went to the police department to move cars but you see him on video taking things out of cars then on the phone

Judge Cannone was asked to recuse herself from the case… the McCabes call her Auntie Bev and there was allegedly a venmo payment for her renting beach house which she got around by saying it was the wrong spelling of her first name.

If it was a fight gone wrong it wouldn’t have taken that many people to be in on it to cover it up. I think if it hadn’t been Karen then Lucky Loughran would have got the blame.

Damn phone 🤷🏽‍

Higgins did move cars that evening, and yea, used his phone for something (timings don’t match ‘butt dials’, but the screen was lit up; no big deal really).

Alledged - no point really going into these. Not verified or admissible really.

If it were a fight gone wrong - then what is the motive? They’d have had to ambush him within minutes. From behind. To incapacitate a trained police officer. Then count on no one in the house seeing him. Then count on Karen not coming back minutes later when they’re dumping his body outside. On their front lawn. Trained, long standing police officers. Dumping their friends body on their front lawn. And not checking he’s actually dead.

And by some miraculous aligning of stars, Karen then starts bleating that she hit him, or clipped him, even giving detailed scenarios of how that could have happened. And leaving tail light pieces (which timeline has already shown could NOT have been planted).

 

[Magwitch]

I've never put much on Lucky not having seen John. It was the early hours of the morning, loads of snow, he was concentrating on ploughing. It's not that strange that he wasn't peering into each yard as he went past.

 

[Alfie1234]

Injuries don’t line up with being hit by a car, an elbow can’t break a tail light like that and a police officer from another town testified the light wasn’t broken it was cracked with a small piece missing.

Key cycle 1162 is when the reverse was meant to have happened - this was when the car was in Dighton not canton.

John’s clothing was left in a police car for a number of weeks.

Commonwealth have had to change their timeline 4 times to try and make it fit.

Half of the tail light pieces from Fairview don’t match Karen’s car.

Lucky Loughran driving a snow plough with a lot of bright lights didn’t see anything at 2:45 then passes again at 3:30 and the Ford Edge is there.

Colin Albert asked Erin Beatty for a ride from Fairview that night. Jen McCabe threatens Erin for talking about it. Colin Albert had bruised knuckles after that night. Everyone lied about Colin being there that night which makes zero sense if he didn’t do anything

Higgins said he went to the police department to move cars but you see him on video taking things out of cars then on the phone

Judge Cannone was asked to recuse herself from the case… the McCabes call her Auntie Bev and there was allegedly a venmo payment for her renting beach house which she got around by saying it was the wrong spelling of her first name.

If it was a fight gone wrong it wouldn’t have taken that many people to be in on it to cover it up. I think if it hadn’t been Karen then Lucky Loughran would have got the blame.

and all of this is the reasonable doubt needed not to convict her. I’ve seen nothing so far that would lead me to believe she hit him, let alone murdered him.

 

[LondonCalling272]

I've never put much on Lucky not having seen John. It was the early hours of the morning, loads of snow, he was concentrating on ploughing. It's not that strange that he wasn't peering into each yard as he went past.

But he saw the ford edge at 3:30

 

[Tatvam]

I'm not sure I'd call the timings of the calls between Higgins and Albert no big deal, and the fact that they both blatantly lied about them.
There really is no denying that the Alberts were protected during the investigation and I find it a bit insulting to call that smoke and mirrors.

 

[avabella]

I've never put much on Lucky not having seen John. It was the early hours of the morning, loads of snow, he was concentrating on ploughing. It's not that strange that he wasn't peering into each yard as he went past.

Lucky also went to school with Brian Albert but that gets conveniently forgotten about in the conspiracy theory

 

[avabella]

But he saw the ford edge at 3:30

So he said. He also said it was dark but has a severe colour blindness so admitted it could have been a light coloured one.

 

[avabella]

I'm not sure I'd call the timings of the calls between Higgins and Albert no big deal, and the fact that they both blatantly lied about them.
There really is no denying that the Alberts were protected during the investigation and I find it a bit insulting to call that smoke and mirrors.

And you don’t find it insulting to try and claim a 17 year old kid murdered him, and that johns friends all helped to cover it up?

 

[LondonCalling272]

Injuries don’t line up with being hit from the front of a car - all parties agreed on that.

Key cycles - ARCCA themselves said their scope was limited - not sure if they had all the data. And it really comes down to who you believe has extracted and analysed the data, properly.

John’s clothing left in a police car - no evidence is was tampered with.

Commonwealth haven’t *changed* a timeline, the evidence extracted from data has given new perspectives and information.

Tail light pieces were all stated to have matched - are you suggesting there are foreign tail light pieces?

Lucky is a severely colour blind, ageing plow driver. He also testified he hit a basketball hoop that night in his tow truck, not exactly the observant, careful driver he’s being made out to be.

You can’t say the evidence wasn’t tampered with. It was in his car for weeks there’s no proper chain of custody on it. Had it been bagged and submitted immediately you could say that, yes.

The commonwealth absolutely have changed their timeline. I think you said you were new to this trial before? In the first trial they had Trooper Paul testifying that it happened at 12:45, the time has changed a further 3 times since then. That affects everything around the timeline.

47 pieces of tail light were found, 24 of them don’t fit Karen’s tail light and Sgt Barros testified that the tail light was cracked with a small piece missing not entirely broken. Kerry Robert’s also testified that were was a small piece missing. The first tail light pieces were found after Karen’s car was taken.

Higgins said he didn’t call anyone but him and Brian Albert exchanged “butt dials” a few minutes before the Hos long to die in cold search. He said he went there to move cars, he’s on video going into cars and retrieving items. He’s also on video on his phone and there’s another video of him in the sally port on the phone.

Fight gone wrong… why would they have had to ambush him from behind? A punch to the face can knock someone backwards. The medical examiner said the call the hospital got was that he had been at a party and there was an altercation. Dr Renee Stonebridge who examined John’s brain basically said he’d been beaten to a pulp.
Motive; there was prior history between John and Colin Albert. Helena Rafferty also confirmed John had reported drug activity in the area.
Doesn’t even have to have been premeditated, situation flared up and it was a bad accident that got covered up to protect Colin
Higgins was squaring up to John at the bar.

It’s not that far fetched to believe there’s corruption going on in that police department. Not sure if you’re aware of the Sandra Birchmore case which is going on simultaneously.

Sandra was in the police explorers where she met officer Matthew Farwell, he ended up grooming her and having an affair with her for years while his wife was pregnant, passed her to his brother too. Sandra became pregnant and intended on keeping the baby, she was then found dead in her apartment believed to be a suicide but it had been staged by Farwell.
Trooper Guarino was part of that investigation and said he found no communication link between Farwell and Birchmore… the FBI found 32000 messages between them.

 

[evoway13]

Ally McCabe said 'Colin wasn't at the house when John was there'

Pig DNA in the scratches/teeth marks.

This case is one of those. If you believe it was a cover-up, you have to believe that there are a ton of people who are involved, not just the people at the house that night, but many of the investigators have to be involved in helping in some way. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

You just need one investigator to enable evidence to go missing and/or reappear. Proctor and another officer saw the cctv footage from the library and the Ring doorbell footage of when Karen arrived back at John's house. Both of those clips have conveniently gone missing