Karen Read Case

[avabella]

You can’t say the evidence wasn’t tampered with. It was in his car for weeks there’s no proper chain of custody on it. Had it been bagged and submitted immediately you could say that, yes.

The commonwealth absolutely have changed their timeline. I think you said you were new to this trial before? In the first trial they had Trooper Paul testifying that it happened at 12:45, the time has changed a further 3 times since then. That affects everything around the timeline.

47 pieces of tail light were found, 24 of them don’t fit Karen’s tail light and Sgt Barros testified that the tail light was cracked with a small piece missing not entirely broken. Kerry Robert’s also testified that were was a small piece missing. The first tail light pieces were found after Karen’s car was taken.

Higgins said he didn’t call anyone but him and Brian Albert exchanged “butt dials” a few minutes before the Hos long to die in cold search. He said he went there to move cars, he’s on video going into cars and retrieving items. He’s also on video on his phone and there’s another video of him in the sally port on the phone.

Fight gone wrong… why would they have had to ambush him from behind? A punch to the face can knock someone backwards. The medical examiner said the call the hospital got was that he had been at a party and there was an altercation. Dr Renee Stonebridge who examined John’s brain basically said he’d been beaten to a pulp.
Motive; there was prior history between John and Colin Albert. Helena Rafferty also confirmed John had reported drug activity in the area.
Doesn’t even have to have been premeditated, situation flared up and it was a bad accident that got covered up to protect Colin
Higgins was squaring up to John at the bar.

It’s not that far fetched to believe there’s corruption going on in that police department. Not sure if you’re aware of the Sandra Birchmore case which is going on simultaneously.

Sandra was in the police explorers where she met officer Matthew Farwell, he ended up grooming her and having an affair with her for years while his wife was pregnant, passed her to his brother too. Sandra became pregnant and intended on keeping the baby, she was then found dead in her apartment believed to be a suicide but it had been staged by Farwell.
Trooper Guarino was part of that investigation and said he found no communication link between Farwell and Birchmore… the FBI found 32000 messages between them.

But you also can’t say that it was. So that’s a moot point.

So now Trooper Proctor has it right all along? But I thought his testimony wasn’t to be believed? So either everything he says is wrong, or everything he says is correct. It can’t be cherry picked to fit a narrative.

The benefits of hyperfocus ADHD means I can deep dive into something that interests me

Who do you think took pieces of tail light after Karen’s car was taken and managed to plant it on the scene? In front of all the other officers present? It’s already been proven it couldn’t have been Proctor, so who else could have done it?

The cover up story is just too far fetched to make any sort of sense, logistically and circumstantially.

Respectfully, you can have your belief and I’ll have mine, there’s probably no point in conversing over it anymore.

 

[LondonCalling272]

But you also can’t say that it was. So that’s a moot point.

So now Trooper Proctor has it right all along? But I thought his testimony wasn’t to be believed? So either everything he says is wrong, or everything he says is correct. It can’t be cherry picked to fit a narrative.

The benefits of hyperfocus ADHD means I can deep dive into something that interests me

Who do you think took pieces of tail light after Karen’s car was taken and managed to plant it on the scene? In front of all the other officers present? It’s already been proven it couldn’t have been Proctor, so who else could have done it?

The cover up story is just too far fetched to make any sort of sense, logistically and circumstantially.

Respectfully, you can have your belief and I’ll have mine, there’s probably no point in conversing over it anymore.

I never said Proctor is right. I said the clothes were in his car for weeks and could have been tampered with.

It’s also not that hard for someone to have planted some pieces - keep in mind most of them were retrieved over 4 weeks by officers driving home. 24 of them don’t even match her car. The first pieces were found after Proctor had possession of the car and there’s a reason the defence were drawing attention to the type of folder that Proctor was using.
The sally port videos were inverted and Michael Proctor was shown to be around the tail light at the time.

Karen is unlikeable but there’s too much evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and some very strange things going on in that police department

 

[evoway13]

I never said Proctor is right. I said the clothes were in his car for weeks and could have been tampered with.

It’s also not that hard for someone to have planted some pieces - keep in mind most of them were retrieved over 4 weeks by officers driving home. 24 of them don’t even match her car. The first pieces were found after Proctor had possession of the car and there’s a reason the defence were drawing attention to the type of folder that Proctor was using.
The sally port videos were inverted and Michael Proctor was shown to be around the tail light at the time.

Karen is unlikeable but there’s too much evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and some very strange things going on in that police department

The result of Canton's police audit report is an interesting read

 

[Tatvam]

I agree, not necessarily on here but I honestly think people's dislike for Karen clouds their judgement on what the actual evidence is.
I don't find her likeable either but you can't convict someone of murder based on character!
Not from here, but I hate the insinuation that if you don't believe it can be proven that Karen did it then you're a crazed conspiracy theorist!

 

[LondonCalling272]

The result of Canton's police audit report is an interesting read

Did you see all the mess around that police audit too? Bob and his 3/2 majorities over Kathleen and David. He’s awful!

 

[Magwitch]

But he saw the ford edge at 3:30

Well, sure, why not? He could have just been looking that way at that time. When you're going about your daily routine, you don't notice either absolutely nothing or absolutely everything. One of the many reasons why eyewitness testimony can be so unreliable.

 

[avabella]

I agree, not necessarily on here but I honestly think people's dislike for Karen clouds their judgement on what the actual evidence is.
I don't find her likeable either but you can't convict someone of murder based on character!
Not from here, but I hate the insinuation that if you don't believe it can be proven that Karen did it then you're a crazed conspiracy theorist!

Depending on just how extreme the view is, it’s either a conspiracy (a pre planned crime involving two or more people), or a cover up (covering up a crime that has been committed, not necessarily pre-planned), or it’s both.

 

[Magwitch]

Ally McCabe said 'Colin wasn't at the house when John was there'

Pig DNA in the scratches/teeth marks.



You just need one investigator to enable evidence to go missing and/or reappear. Proctor and another officer saw the cctv footage from the library and the Ring doorbell footage of when Karen arrived back at John's house. Both of those clips have conveniently gone missing

No. That's not how evidence collection, recording and storage works at all. If evidence went missing as part of a cover-up there would have had to be more than one officer involved. The more people who are claimed to be part of an alleged cover-up, the less likely it is to be a cover-up.

 

[karma4klattie]

It seems to me that the police and other people at the after party knew for a fact that John hadn't been inside the house, and that there hadn't been a fight, and that Karen Read was buzzing round telling everyone that she'd hit him (face-to-face and via recorded interviews), so they took it to be an open and shut case which, unfortunately, resulted in a careless and slack investigation.

 

[LondonCalling272]

The thing I don’t get is. If Karen had said “I hit him” to a cop why wasn’t she arrested on the spot? That would have been a confession?

Karen said she was saying did I hit him, could I have hit him. Weird conclusion to jump to I’ll agree with that but then the evidence doesn’t stack up with it beyond reasonable doubt.

Katie McLaughlin said Karen said it three times and Timothy Nuttall heard it but then she said Nuttall was in the ambulance with the door closed so how could he have heard it? His testimony changed between the first and second trial too.
It’s the Jen McCabe law of threes

 

[Tatvam]

And it's not mentioned in any of the first responders reports. You'd think an on the spot confession would be pretty important and worthy of documenting

 

[avabella]

And it's not mentioned in any of the first responders reports. You'd think an on the spot confession would be pretty important and worthy of documenting

To be fair Jen McCabe did tell her to stop talking and Kerry Robert’s also told her to shut the duck up, so maybe even in her drunken state she realised she shouldn’t be saying that.

 

[karma4klattie]

And it's not mentioned in any of the first responders reports. You'd think an on the spot confession would be pretty important and worthy of documenting

I was a first responder and you only put medical details in your report.

 

[Tatvam]

Oh really? Didn’t know that! Thank you

 

[avabella]

I was a first responder and you only put medical details in your report.

I’m sure that’s what the first responder testified too, but good to hear it from an ‘outsider’

 

[karma4klattie]

I hadn't seen this before:

"William Read – Karen Read’s father

• William Read, Karen Read’s father, has supported his daughter throughout the case, appearing at most hearings and voicing his support in media interviews.
• One interview in particular caught prosecutors’ attention. In an August 2023 conversation with Boston 25, William Read said his daughter told him she thought “she struck something.” Prosecutors subpoenaed records from the interview, and Read’s father is on the prosecution’s witness list. Judge Cannone shot down prosecutors’ request to obtain William Read’s phone records."

Someone else to add to the list of people she told.

If John O'Keefe failed to go home that night, bearing in mind they'd been rowing, she was texting him to demand to know if he was 'talking to' someone else, a former girlfriend of his live in the same street as the Albert's and that they'd previously fallen out over his infidelity, surely to God her first thought would be 'he's screwing another woman' not 'he's dead at the foot of the flagpole'.

 

[NarcRage]

I love the conversation here, but doesn't it point to reasonable doubt? I hope the commonwealth finally proves how he died. I'm getting tired of waiting But, like Emily D. Baker says, "we will see."

It points to an expensive defence team.
The data from the car and the phone for me prove that she did it. No doubt whatsoever.

 

[Tatvam]

That’s honestly all you need to prove murder beyond reasonable doubt? Respectfully, that’s a bit scary!

 

[LondonCalling272]

Why else would Matt McCabe need to text "Tell them the guy never went in the house"and Higgins testified in the first trial about seeing a tall, dark haired man enter 34 Fairview.

 

[avabella]

Ian Whiffen didn’t actually confirm the phone could have been in the house. The signal strength was so weak at that distance that he didn’t actually include it, but had to show that it was within the realms of possibility due to how far an iPhone signal can reach. It was very weak that he actually ruled it out.