Kanye West

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Even if his anti-semitism was simply fuelled by psychosis/bipolar/some other mental episode, it cannot and should not be condoned and he does not deserve a public platform anymore. Jewish people are genuinely afraid to exist in society, they face increasing hostility, threats of violence and attacks, every single day. If he were to apologise and society accepted that apology, what a slap in the face to the Jewish community. I'm getting a bit sick of people simply saying he can't help himself. He is one of the richest, (or was until he lost vast swathes of sponsorship deals), most famous people on the planet. He has a huge influence and people who look up to him. I live with someone with bipolar and it's bleeping horrible, but he takes his meds and doesn't post offensive, inflammatory material on social media.

If he were to apologise, donate his fee to Wireless to World Jewish Relief (or similar), take a year out, and book himself in for psychiatric treatment, vowing to return to the public eye only when he is addressing his issues, then and only then, should we consider some sort of return to the fold. This will never happen of course; he will carry on parading his naked wife in the streets, parroting disgusting racial slurs and acting like the total bleeping bellend that he actually is.

Oh, and there is no comparison to the John Davidson Bafta fiasco. The fault of that is entirely on the BBC for allowing it to remain in the footage, he genuinely apologised and tics and tremors are not easily controlled. It is very easy NOT to post anti-semitic rhetoric online, particularly when you have a huge team working with you and unlimited finances.

 

[Piff paff puff]

If he were to apologise, donate his fee to Wireless to World Jewish Relief (or similar), take a year out, and book himself in for psychiatric treatment, vowing to return to the public eye only when he is addressing his issues, then and only then, should we consider some sort of return to the fold. This will never happen of course; he will carry on parading his naked wife in the streets, parroting disgusting racial slurs and acting like the total bleeping bellend that he actually is.

You are correct. This will never happen, not even for his children. If he doesn't care about messing up his own loved ones then why would he care about insulting Jewish people? He cared about losing the money.

 

[GingerJones50]

Also, I know how bi polar works.

You don’t even know how to spell it.

 

[GingerJones50]

Even if his anti-semitism was simply fuelled by psychosis/bipolar/some other mental episode, it cannot and should not be condoned and he does not deserve a public platform anymore. Jewish people are genuinely afraid to exist in society, they face increasing hostility, threats of violence and attacks, every single day. If he were to apologise and society accepted that apology, what a slap in the face to the Jewish community. I'm getting a bit sick of people simply saying he can't help himself. He is one of the richest, (or was until he lost vast swathes of sponsorship deals), most famous people on the planet. He has a huge influence and people who look up to him. I live with someone with bipolar and it's bleeping horrible, but he takes his meds and doesn't post offensive, inflammatory material on social media.

If he were to apologise, donate his fee to Wireless to World Jewish Relief (or similar), take a year out, and book himself in for psychiatric treatment, vowing to return to the public eye only when he is addressing his issues, then and only then, should we consider some sort of return to the fold. This will never happen of course; he will carry on parading his naked wife in the streets, parroting disgusting racial slurs and acting like the total bleeping bellend that he actually is.

Oh, and there is no comparison to the John Davidson Bafta fiasco. The fault of that is entirely on the BBC for allowing it to remain in the footage, he genuinely apologised and tics and tremors are not easily controlled. It is very easy NOT to post anti-semitic rhetoric online, particularly when you have a huge team working with you and unlimited finances.

Nobody (apart from antisemites) are condoning it.

I agree about your statements about the awful things Jewish people are having to face.

But I disagree with you about his apologies, because the alternative is no apology and allowing what he said when he was psychotic to stand as his genuine belief.

I’m sure your relative is responsible and supported by you. But he also doesn’t have vultures surrounding him who make millions of controversy.

I agree with all of the rest of your post, except I disagree that the team surrounding him are working in his best interests instead of trying to make money and stir up controversy from his disability. And I think the BBC were trying to do much the same.

 

[AD2018]

We can be prepared to have sympathy for someone with mental health issues (I personally think it’s an insult to people with BP to attribute his behaviour to this, but admit I’m not very knowledgeable on the condition- I’d be interested to hear from some leading BP organisations so I can understand more)

My core issue is that no one should be platformed after celebrating nazism even if there was a “reason” they did it. Heil Hitler and Gas Chamber as songs, the swastika shirts, the horrific antisemitism aren’t just clumsy insensitive comments that an apology can immediately resolve because you want to tour again. He attempted to, and seemingly did, profit from nazism

I get people like his music and there’s issues around government intervention, but I do think a lot of this is people reaching because they want him to perform and they want to keep the separation of art and artist (which I get). However, the horrors of the holocaust run deep and I’m personally glad he’s been told he’s not welcome, I hope it’s humbled him. You’re allowed to have a mental breakdown and act out of character, but you’re not allowed to harm others without consequences, profit off a horrific legacy and then be paid millions to headline a festival here - nope

Wireless festival should be ashamed

 

[emmer_moans]

We can be prepared to have sympathy for someone with mental health issues (I personally think it’s an insult to people with BP to attribute his behaviour to this, but admit I’m not very knowledgeable on the condition- I’d be interested to hear from some leading BP organisations so I can understand more)

My core issue is that no one should be platformed after celebrating nazism even if there was a “reason” they did it. Heil Hitler and Gas Chamber as songs, the swastika shirts, the horrific antisemitism aren’t just clumsy insensitive comments that an apology can immediately resolve because you want to tour again. He attempted to, and seemingly did, profit from nazism

I get people like his music and there’s issues around government intervention, but I do think a lot of this is people reaching because they want him to perform and they want to keep the separation of art and artist (which I get). However, the horrors of the holocaust run deep and I’m personally glad he’s been told he’s not welcome, I hope it’s humbled him. You’re allowed to have a mental breakdown and act out of character, but you’re not allowed to harm others without consequences, profit off a horrific legacy and then be paid millions to headline a festival here - nope

Wireless festival should be ashamed

Exactly. Printing tshirts and publishing songs shows continued and unchecked commitment/intent to the viewpoint and it seems his team are all yes men who also think it is ok. The problem is Kanye is enabled to hide behind creative genius as an excuse for continued harm.

 

[AD2018]

Exactly. Printing tshirts and publishing songs shows continued and unchecked commitment/intent to the viewpoint and it seems his team are all yes men who also think it is ok. The problem is Kanye is enabled to hide behind creative genius as an excuse for continued harm.

Absolutely. Everyone around him is complicit also.

I’d also like to add that the nazis deemed people with mental and physical disabilities “unworthy of life” and systematically tortured and murdered 100,000’s of people they deemed this way. So this isn’t just an issue of antisemitism. Anyone who abhors nazism also abhors how the nazis viewed and treated people with disabilities. Disgust of Kanye’s behaviour doesn’t equal insensitivity to the plight and history of mental or physical disabilities … quite the opposite

Edited to increase the number for historical accuracy

 

[Miss Havisham]

You don’t even know how to spell it.

There is no need to be so rude.

I often make mistakes typing on this site (folk are probably used to it now). I can spell, but often make errors due to my poor eyesight and if I am typing on my phone or a larger screen.
On saying that, if I did make spelling errors - so what? Is that an issue on here?

You chopped up the sentence, so made it look like I was making a very arrogant boast, of “knowing” the condition. It was clumsily worded on my part - but I was saying that I know how complex the condition is. It’s not a one size fits all diagnosis for anyone.

I have put up with your rudeness and said nothing on many an occasion, but I won’t be any longer. I won’t respond to any of your posts from now on. Even though they are all perfectly worded, with no typos or spelling errors.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Nobody (apart from antisemites) are condoning it.

I agree about your statements about the awful things Jewish people are having to face.

But I disagree with you about his apologies, because the alternative is no apology and allowing what he said when he was psychotic to stand as his genuine belief.

I’m sure your relative is responsible and supported by you. But he also doesn’t have vultures surrounding him who make millions of controversy.

I agree with all of the rest of your post, except I disagree that the team surrounding him are working in his best interests instead of trying to make money and stir up controversy from his disability. And I think the BBC were trying to do much the same.

I'm afraid I believe it is his genuine belief and he has used his mental illness to excuse it.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

I believe the apology is marketing and not heartfelt.

 

[AD2018]

I believe the apology is marketing and not heartfelt.

Agree it’s to aid his “comeback”

The only way that the t-shirts and music could have been allowed to be recorded, designed, manufactured and released etc by entire teams of people would be on the basis that he’s pursued that angle as part of his “edginess” and pushing artistic boundaries. Not someone clearly in the midst of a psychotic break. There will have been many meetings, many phone calls, many plans, many opportunities to stop it

The nazis stood for much more than antisemitism, but as far as I’m aware Kanye has not donated any money he may have made as a result of the offensive material or as a result of the attention it got to a Jewish charity or holocaust memorial, I accept he may have done so privately. But if he was to do this and go away quietly to reflect and work on himself I’d find it more sincere

This entire endeavour feels like damage control to protect the $

My opinion only

 

[Abominatrix]

I believe the apology is marketing and not heartfelt.

One thousand percent. Obviously I can't say what I would do, but I feel like it I came back to myself after a very public manic incident where I spewed the most vile tit I could think of, I'd be drowning in shame.

I don't think Kanye cares much more way or another. His ego won't let him, because accepting this part of himself is likely not the easiest thing to do. But hey, consequences are consequences, no matter what your mental state was when you did all the bad tit.

If Kanye is really, honestly sorry, then he needs to spend the next few years proving that he's better than the man he's been. He can absolutely be forgiven, but imo he's got a lot to make up for.

 

[mchops]

I don't think he gives a tit either way. He certainly won't be bothered by being barred from the UK, I doubt he's that remorse ridden by his comments.
He said black people enslaved themselves. Made loads of comments around that subject. Nobody cared.

 

[Miss Havisham]

I don't think he gives a tit either way. He certainly won't be bothered by being barred from the UK, I doubt he's that remorse ridden by his comments.
He said black people enslaved themselves. Made loads of comments around that subject. Nobody cared.

Why do you say nobody cared?

 

[GalaxyGirl70]

North West has been papped at Coachella. She's 12 going on 25, and looks very inappropriately dressed for her age. Not a lot of visible parenting going on from Kim or Kanye. Poor kids don't stand a prayer.

 

[mchops]

Why do you say nobody cared?

He wasn't banned from anything for it. The up cry hasn't been anything like the Jewish stuff.
It was dismissed as Kanye being Kanye mainly .

 

[Very traditional]

North West has been papped at Coachella. She's 12 going on 25, and looks very inappropriately dressed for her age. Not a lot of visible parenting going on from Kim or Kanye. Poor kids don't stand a prayer.

I won’t disagree about the parenting and hope she’s got a team of security out of shot but in the photos I’ve seen I think her clothes are fine

 

[Abominatrix]

Not to dog on the girl at all, but we all know where this is headed because of who her mother is. As the Kardashians lose relevancy, they'll need to plastic up and pimp out the next generation for clicks.

 

[Miss Havisham]

He wasn't banned from anything for it. The up cry hasn't been anything like the Jewish stuff.
It was dismissed as Kanye being Kanye mainly .

it was not dismissed as Kanye being Kanye. Unsurprisingly, there was uproar over it - he then claimed to be “misinterpreted” and that he was talking about “mental enslavement”.

He was banned from X, as he broke the rules with his ant-semitic rants on the platform. He didn’t leave it at rants either, as already discussed on here.

 

[mchops]

So was he banned when he said black people chose to be slaves and promoted the klu Klux Klan? Don't remember him being not allowed to perform in countries for that.
His mental illness is well documented. I was pointing out a slight double standard between punishment and admonishment.