Johnny Depp and Amber Heard #6

[MojitoMel]

This was clearly a very toxic abusive relationship on both sides.
The difficulty I have is that JD has been very candid about his drinking, drug use, arguments and fights. No one has ever come out and said he is anything less than a gentleman.
AH is a very unlikeable character, her delivery of her testimony comes across as insincere and the trying to cry is just false.
She claimed yesterday that he had beaten her to within an inch of her life and she never filed a police report or attended an er. I just dont believe the cavity search or the wine bottle story. Her new pr guy speaking to the court photographer flowed by her full on pausing so he could get his shot says it all.

But all that being said, if she is truly a victim of DV, all she has done here is a massive disservice to DV victims everywhere. There are no winners here, but the fact that absolutely no one has come out in defense of AH and her character speaks volumes to me.

 

[Moley1]

The bias between women v men in courts is a massive global problem.
I used to be close friends with a couple, both husband & wife, and towards the end of the marriage she made allegations of DV.
The incident in question was a heated argument between the couple as the husband was trying to leave the house n the wife insisted he stay and finish the argument. She proceeded to attack him with a set of car keys, blocking his path. He shoved her out the way. She ran out onto the street bare foot after him. He escaped into his car, and called me recalling the incident in a panic about what to do.
the wife at the same time called the police allegingDV. Police attended, noted no injuries, saw the wife being aggressive to her husband in their presence and actually wrote [wife appears to be aggressor in domestic dispute]
No further action was taken, couple split up.
Amongst court proceedings wife demanded the 4 bed property for her & their child (wife was unemployed- left her job after child was born with her own will)
Wife also had immediate family living in the same town. She tried to serve him a non occupational order which she removed at the last min knowing husband could potentially default on mortgage payments putting them both in trouble. She also served him an ex parte non molestation order with details from the previous incident with the keys saying it was him beating her.
fastforward several months, new allegations emerged from her side, she refused to let him see the child without supervision, thus the court suggestion visits via a contact centre, (even tho the DV case was a no case to answer from the CPS) to progress onto solo visits.
mother breached court orders more than 5 times. (She failed to turn up to the contact centres, failed to hand child over, would disappear for weeks on end, each time resulting father in having to arrange an emergency court hearing)
Each time the wife got away with no consequences. In order to drag this further, wife asked for cafcass to get involved, and cafcass officer interviewed child who confirmed that mother told him strictly he was not allowed to play with his dad, as his mother has superpowers & can see everything he is doing. Child was clearly terrified of mum. In the final court hearing, a new judge was appointed, finally teared the mother & her solicitor apart for dragging this for 3 years, for inexcusable behaviour & influencing the child, issued joint custody immediately.
2 weeks later mother left the country to her native home promising joint contact.Wife blocks Him, he hasn’t seen his child for 5 years now, uk jurisdiction isn’t covered in their country.
although it’s a different case, it goes to show, that during those 3 years of around 13 court hearings, despite the solid evidence against her, the wife was given benefit of the doubt. Due to the delays, and benefits given to the wife in the face of false accusations, husband ultimately lost his child.

My ex wife had me arrested 3 times, basically for arguing with her. On one occasion the East Sussex policeman, as he was arresting me, said that they always remove the man from the scene if children are involved. On of of these occasions my mother in law attacked me with car keys in her hand. I showed the PC the scratches up my arms but I was still the one taken away in handcuffs.
My ex wife then hooked up with a single, divorced neighbour and decided she was going to move to Spain with him taking our three very young daughters with them. At that point they had no plans to marry. She had to take me to caught as I had a weekly visitation order. Needless to say she won. In summing up the magistrate said that taking them to Spain was no different to taking them to Newcastle!!!
My ex wife is a Narc. At one point in the divorce proceedings she told me she would take me for every penny I had (I didn’t have anything but debt which I inherited from the proceedings) and would make sure I never saw my children again. She was supposed to put the house on the market but refused to allow viewings on the basis that she had to look after her boyfriends dog. Eventually she and her parents bought my share of the house out. We never got the proper market value as it was never properly marketed. I was left with the credit card debt thanks to an in-depth legal team on my side.
From my own experience I can say with a level of certainty that in family matters cases are loaded very strongly in favour of the woman.
I can empathise in this case. Living with a narc was a total nightmare and in the end I gave, verbally, as good as I got as I was fed up with being used as a punchbag (verbal, emotional and occasional physical abuse). On one occasion I head butted a door out of sheer frustration. As our councillor pointed out to her, I was no physical threat to her because I took my frustration and anger out on myself.
When trying to explain our desperate financial situation to her she replied, “don’t worry, your mother will be dead soon and you will have all that money.”
She once told me that she wouldn’t have sex with me anymore until I lost weight (I was around 13st at the time and never had a really fit body).
I have no idea who did what to whom. Clearly it was a very toxic relationship and not good for either of them. What I do know for certain is that living with someone who has a narcissistic personality disorder is a total nightmare and the only was is down or out. It ruined my life and brought out the worst in me. Yes, I have to take my share of responsibility for the part I played in the toxicity because I reacted. I defy anyone not to after weeks, months and years of being treated as if my feelings don’t matter. Victims of narcs are told “no contact” because once the rot sets in there is no way to deal with it other than to leave. By staying in the relationship it will just fester until the wheels all come off. The wheels certainly came off in their relationship!
Sorry for the long post but it is important that men are heard too. I appreciate that most victims of DV are women, but DV isn’t exclusively against women and I can see, in a number of posts here, a natural support for AH just because of her gender. Abuse is abuse no matter who is doing the abusing. Abuse affects everyone within the relationship, no matter who instigates it. Clearly though, someone without empathy isn’t going to have the emotional trauma to deal with in either the short or long term.

 

[Caledonianprincess]

I sincerely hope that AH gets found out by the jury to be the lying sod that she is. My man was in a dv relationship with his ex and he was the one who had the black eyes and the broken bones. He was ridiculed by her family and friends. He still bears the psychological scars of that relationship even all these years later

 

[Jvuddie]

I am still 100% on Ambers side I just feel as though this thread has become a bit of an echo chamber.

Good for you. I don't know what else to say to someone who watched yesterday and still has this opinion, so I'll just wish you well.

 

[Jvuddie]

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past maybe half an inch at the opening the vagina has very few nerve endings - this is a scientific fact and a reasonable explanation as to why she may have been unsure. It’s a very small part of her testimony though so true or not it doesn’t change my mind on her credibility.

I have a vagina. I don't need medicalnewstoday.com to tell me whether i'd notice a jagged broken bottle violently shoved up it. (fyi, i would)

I'm not responding to this nonsense anymore.

 

[Jvuddie]

The violence she described was pushing, slapping and dragging around. She said she ‘thought her nose was broken’ and was worried that the bottle was broken when it was inside her, (vaginas have very few nerve endings inside) and that she was fearful for her life at the time. That he didn’t actually cause any broken bones or injuries requiring hospital doesn’t change her perceived threat levels.
Most people don’t go to a doctor for bruising or minor cuts.

I'm assuming you don't have a vagina if you think that we couldn't feel whether a bottle was broken if shoved up there.

This comment is actually so stupid I don't know how to continue.

 

[Cheezychips]

I don't know how to put posts behind a spoiler but in hindsight thought it best to add a *TRIGGER WARNING* as my post relates to physical abuse.













One of the worst incidents of violence my ex (from when I was aged 14-20) committed against me contained what I'd say was a level of physical violence in the regions to the episode Amber Heard alledges in Australia. I was in my best friends car, we were going to another friends 18th birthday party (we were also 18), she had just picked me up, I had on a lovely new outfit of black palazzo type trousers, and a brown cropped top which had long ties around the waist (this was the late 90's).

We were going to drop her car off at her house to get a taxi to the venue, as we were driving we spotted my ex walking along the road with her boyfriend (they were best friends, and sadly he was as violent to her, he ended up in prison for murder a couple of years later, of a man, not her) they also were with a younger girl who was a known drug addict and who had a bit of a bad reputation.

At the time I had dumped my ex (for the 50th time) due to his vile behaviour, and a different episode of abuse. I didn't want to see or speak to him but as it had been several weeks, and he was obviously with the other girl, I assumed he would walk on whilst my friend spoke to her then boyfriend. Unfortunately that did not happen. My friend parked her car and got out to speak to her boyfriend, it was right outside where he lived. My ex came round to my side of the car and signalled for me to put the window down, which I had just put up, it was the middle of summer. I kept refusing but eventually relented and rolled it down slightly and he forced it down further. He then grabbed my top through the open window and started to punch me, and the only thing I could do was try to push him off and hit him back to stop him. He grabbed a nearby brick, smashed the window and began punching hell out of my chest, ripped my top right off so I was naked from the waist up. Kept on punching, and I just remember doing my best to pull his hair or scratch his face to stop him as it was all I could do. He then grabbed my hair and head, trying to hit it off the dash but I still had my seatbelt on, so didn't quite reach I lost a lot of hair in the process. My friend quickly got back in the car and drove away, back to my house where my mum nearly passed out in shock when we walked in, having left all happy and done up just ten minutes earlier. The whole thing must have lasted all of two minutes, if that. And my breasts were black the next day, my whole chest was covered in some of the worst brushing I'd ever seen. I had whiplash from the repeated pushing of my head. I called the police, of course, and they arrested him but he wasnt charged with it as I had no witnesses. My friend didn't want to give a statement for fear of her own boyfriend as she was regularly beaten by him, and of course, it was his best friend. I understood. Afterwards I couldn't lift my arms for a while, or wear a bra. My mum has to wash me, and wash the glass out of my hair. I won't tell you what the male members of my family done but he did not get away with it...

My injuries were substantial, and Amber allegedly went through way more than that, so I don't understand why she didn't require medical treatment. Why she didn't photograph the injuries, as she had others. She would have been very bruised and cut, I would imagine. Not to mention the vaginal injuries, (which as I've said on another occasion I also experienced). She would have been in incredible pain, found it difficult to move, let along spend hours on a flight. But that's just my opinion, everyone is different...

Also thank you to the people in the previous thread who replied to my posts there regarding SA, I can't go back and reply as the thread has closed but saw your replied and appreciate them <3

 

[squatternutbosh]

The bias between women v men in courts is a massive global problem.
I used to be close friends with a couple, both husband & wife, and towards the end of the marriage she made allegations of DV.
The incident in question was a heated argument between the couple as the husband was trying to leave the house n the wife insisted he stay and finish the argument. She proceeded to attack him with a set of car keys, blocking his path. He shoved her out the way. She ran out onto the street bare foot after him. He escaped into his car, and called me recalling the incident in a panic about what to do.
the wife at the same time called the police allegingDV. Police attended, noted no injuries, saw the wife being aggressive to her husband in their presence and actually wrote [wife appears to be aggressor in domestic dispute]
No further action was taken, couple split up.
Amongst court proceedings wife demanded the 4 bed property for her & their child (wife was unemployed- left her job after child was born with her own will)
Wife also had immediate family living in the same town. She tried to serve him a non occupational order which she removed at the last min knowing husband could potentially default on mortgage payments putting them both in trouble. She also served him an ex parte non molestation order with details from the previous incident with the keys saying it was him beating her.
fastforward several months, new allegations emerged from her side, she refused to let him see the child without supervision, thus the court suggestion visits via a contact centre, (even tho the DV case was a no case to answer from the CPS) to progress onto solo visits.
mother breached court orders more than 5 times. (She failed to turn up to the contact centres, failed to hand child over, would disappear for weeks on end, each time resulting father in having to arrange an emergency court hearing)
Each time the wife got away with no consequences. In order to drag this further, wife asked for cafcass to get involved, and cafcass officer interviewed child who confirmed that mother told him strictly he was not allowed to play with his dad, as his mother has superpowers & can see everything he is doing. Child was clearly terrified of mum. In the final court hearing, a new judge was appointed, finally teared the mother & her solicitor apart for dragging this for 3 years, for inexcusable behaviour & influencing the child, issued joint custody immediately.
2 weeks later mother left the country to her native home promising joint contact.Wife blocks Him, he hasn’t seen his child for 5 years now, uk jurisdiction isn’t covered in their country.
although it’s a different case, it goes to show, that during those 3 years of around 13 court hearings, despite the solid evidence against her, the wife was given benefit of the doubt. Due to the delays, and benefits given to the wife in the face of false accusations, husband ultimately lost his child.

 

[Just William]

@Charm
She clearly seduces the leading men in her movies. Most significant others would catch on, and be mad about it. He may have been an asshole, but she's describing him as possessed.
How can she lie about James Franco when we saw the video? It was a different day, but clearly the same man.
All of Johnny's audio recordings were of her begging, and pleading, for him to not walk away from an argument. Undeniable. Yet in her testimony she's a quiet church mouse blinded by love.

BIB - not to mention mocking him, calling him a coward & a baby for not staying to finish the fight/s she started. Getting pedantic about not punching him but admitting she was hitting him instead like that was somehow better. Him locking himself in a bathroom to get away from her, telling her he was walking away so the fight didn't escalate. Not the words/reactions of a serial abuser (imo) but someone abused & trying to placate & keep the peace & get the hell away knowing what would happen if he didn't. There's evidence he wanted to get clean, went for detox while she kept drinking around him & taking drugs while berating him for his addictions. I'm assuming he is clean now & has been for a few years?

Even ignoring her 'testimony' which comes across as so fake, the things that stand out to me -

1) his story has never deviated & he allowed all his devices to be examined despite them being incriminating & showing what a fucking toxic fuck up & verbally abusive prick he can be when off his head. Again, (imo) not the actions of a serial abuser who would attempt to keep any incriminating shit hidden.
2) She on the other hand didn't allow all her devices to be examined & her story keeps changing.

I'm not defending his actions & I sure as hell don't doubt he was a toxic nightmare to live with. There's audio/video evidence of him screaming/shouting, being incoherent, smashing stuff up, etc but ... I haven't seen any evidence from her that matches the allegations of bodily harm she said he committed on a regular basis. The bottle incident alone would have resulted in multiple visible cuts & abrasions not to mention a potentially serious internal injury. Not the kind of injuries easily hidden plus she wouldn't have been able to walk normally.

I think he was actually quite vulnerable because of his addictions & I think she used that against him. He was clearly only thinking with his dick & ego when he got with her. I think this trial for him isn't about $$$ - it's about trying to clear his name, get his story out there, be heard (sorry!) but my opinion is just that, an opinion, I just know who I tend to believe more & it ain't Amber.

 

[custosmorum]

I was kind of hoping she would be able to convince me with some hard proof. Because the alternative that she's making it all up, is just extremely disturbing and sad for everyone. I don't want this trial to paint women as these overexaggerating hormonal beings with no credibility.

I do believe living with Depp must be hard. I would probably have left years ago with the constant drug use.

 

[Asparagus123]

I’m having a lie down all next week to recover from this last week !! With a mega pint of course! !

 

[Moley1]

Just to add to my previous recollections about living with a female narc. When we met I had a dog and she had 2 cats. We talked about moving in together but I said I was worried about the animals not getting on. She went out of her way to intrusive them to each other in a way that would work for all. They took to each other straight away and when she did move in with me all was fine. She would walk the dog to school with her daughter and the animals were good together. Then we moved to a house that we jointly owned and everything changed. One day she said to me that she hated all dogs, especially mine, and that she had found a new home for the dog. If I didn’t agree to move her out she would take the children and live with her parents (she had a daughter from previous marriage and we had three children in 3 years - they were all very young). I said no. She moved out with the kids and only came back when I finally agreed to let the dog go (I previously worked from home so could look after her but when we moved I was working in an office in London and was relying on her to look after the dog well). On the morning the new owners were due to come and pick her up after already meeting her and us agreeing it would be better for the dog to go to a new living couple, she called me from her parents and said it was ok, the dog could stay! Of course it was too late at that point and I couldn’t trust her with the dog anymore. One of the saddest days of my life. I will never forget the way the poor hound looked at me as they drove away. The only upside was that she was very well looked after for the rest of her days. They would send me letters telling me how she was getting on along with photos.
As a friend said sometime later, you got rid of the wrong bitch.
Oh the joys of living with someone with a deep seated personality disorder.

 

[Proof8]

I tried to put the level of acting to one side because she is an actor after all. So I listened to the words she said and what struck me was the level of violence she was describing and the frequency. She would of been pulp in Australia. Yet sought no medical treatment other than pill to calm down. Now I think most people have probably had sex when they've not be quite 'ready' and know the pain and the pain the day after. Same as a broken nose everyone knows what your face looks like. Dragging through and walking on broken glass from bottles, that would shred your feet. Yet the evidence is pics of Depp passed out and Amber looking tired.
And the defence that everybody was paid off by him. Which is rediculous, these people are professionals with careers and most of all human. No amount of money would get me to cover up abuse. Someone like Ben King for example doesn't strike me as someone who would be paided off.
Does anyone know who she has as her witnesses?

 

[MissMissMissy]

I have been a victim of sexual assault. It was over 20 years ago now. But if I had to sit in front of him and explain what happened to a jury, I would not be animated and detailed. I’d be straight to the point. Factual and weak. I’d want it over as soon as possible and I would be on the edge of panic the whole time. And it wasn’t any where near as violent as AH is claiming. I know that’s me, and she is her, but this is one of the many reasons I don’t buy it. She doesn’t look damaged and broken. She looks like she is rubbing it in his face.
Also, I think the reason JD has brought this defamation case is due to the accusations of sexual violence. Before the op-ed I get the vibe that he wasn’t happy but happy to move on and let people get over the claims and the gossip. I think the ‘he raped me with a broken bottle’ and other similar comments is what has made him stand up and fight.
I do not for one second believe that someone would suddenly become sexually violent in their 50’s. I don’t believe it is something that was triggered by this new, young wife. You don’t just become a rapist overnight. People who rape and abuse in a sexual nature have always had kinks that are that way inclined (my opinion) so again, I do not believe her claims.
All based on my own experiences and opinions by the way- many millions of people will sadly have their own take on it and I fully accept that. I commend the people on here for sharing their stories. This is a conversation that needs to happen. Men and women are victims every day and they should not be silenced.

Also (sorry) lastly, I do not get why people send death threats to celebrities online. I have no time for Amber but I’m not wasting my time in her DM’s - who the hell does that.

 

[annanuttall]

Everything single thing I'm reading today through Youtube videos, comments, Twitter posts, and general comments are all saying one thing - SHE IS LYING about this. It is amazing how everyone is united in not believing her lies and how it makes a mockery of DV victims.

 

[Blow In]

I was kind of hoping she would be able to convince me with some hard proof. Because the alternative that she's making it all up, is just extremely disturbing and sad for everyone. I don't want this trial to paint women as these overexaggerating hormonal beings with no credibility.

I do believe living with Depp must be hard. I would probably have left years ago with the constant drug use.

AH isn’t all women. JD isn’t all men.

 

[custosmorum]

AH isn’t all women. JD isn’t all men.

Of course not! But the outcome of this trial will undoubtedly create some sort of generalization in the public. Something in the vein of "you see, women do lie about this sort of stuff" seems plausible.

 

[black ripped skinnies]

I refuse to believe that anybody that has been subjected to a violent assault resulting in a maybe broken, or maybe not broken bottle been repeatedly shoved up their vagina wouldn't need any medical attention sooner or later.

Especially someone with access to their own private nurses and doctors.

 

[Lady_H]

I don’t buy “they brought out the worst in each other”. That implies there’s someone on the planet who AH would NOT bring out the worst in. And more importantly that a victim can “bring out” abusive behaviour in someone else.

AH is a lying abusive mess of a human being, and nobody “brought that out” in her.

 

[Redbreast]

I don’t see an issue at all with how he’s behaving in court. He is looking down
A) because he is traumatised and can’t look at her or
B) because he’s been advised to do not to seem like he’s intimidating her.

Either scenario is fine. So is him giggling about a few things over the course of a few weeks. He’s human. He hasn’t sat and pissed himself laughing the whole time. A few things have made him chuckle, would me too if I was listening to outright lies about me. That or be utterly horrified but laughter often masks how uncomfortable we feel.

As for the drawing anything to get him through what must be a hideous time. What is he meant to do? He can’t really win either way if he looks at her or he keeps himself occupied