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didisaythatoutloudoops said:
100% agree re: blue. I felt so sorry for her, watching the halftime show - she didn't smile once, she was stiff and clearly so focused on the moves. And why wouldn't she be, she's 12 years old, it must be terrifying to know the world is watching. But then I saw all the comments on Twitter of 'what a wonderful mother-daughter bonding moment' and 'how amazing that Blue is this talented as such a young age' and I just thought... am I looking at something entirely different?
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Did the other dancers smile?
 
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Clueless81

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Photos of the mother and him together. Someone other than the mother's friend saying they hooked up? Something that would suggest he ever met the mother other than them just saying so. You know, evidence.
 
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didisaythatoutloudoops said:
I think the issue is none of the concerts sold out; ticket prices were significantly slashed and then tickets were actually given away for free through food banks. And that doesn't happen when you're at 80-90% capacity even - it happens when you have an embarrassingly low number of sales and you need to fill a very, very big space quickly.

I think it's great she's given tickets to good causes (even though it was done for the main purpose of bums in seats) - but I do disagree with the way she's gone about it; because her most loyal fans are the ones who have been shafted - paying £600-700 for a seat in the fan presale; which are then available for £140 the night before. I think it's a poor choice to have that crash in pricing; because it punishes the keenest and most loyal fans.

But she will need to start asking questions about the lack of natural sales; because something has gone wrong. Is it that she booked too large a venue for too many nights? Are people simply disinterested in Cowboy Carter? Is she simply a fading star and needs to accept it's time for smaller tours, venues, and more greatest hits to go on that nostalgia?
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Is this the writer from the daily mail article?

It's 500 seats in a 60,000 stadium. How many do you think were given to food banks to get it to that level?

Country is a genre that doesn't do well over here. Her last tour at the same stadium sold out, and I'd bet her next tour does too
 
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Watching the live stream and it's like 3 songs then loads of videos.
I'm a very casual listener and only really know her first solo album, but can't say I'm overall impressed with what I'm watching.
 
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lolakate said:
I think she’s toured too soon after the last tour. It doesn’t feel as special this time around. I haven’t gone but I went last time and was really excited.
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Agree - as a casual listener it feels like this the same tour - but less Cowboy hats and more Blue Ivy danceathons. :LOL:
 
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Codiaeum said:
She cannot claim songwriting credits, just rewriting a bit doesn’t negate intellectual property rights, so this isn’t something she chose to do. Royalties here meaning streaming revenue, are very difficult due to how the music industry is set up, as rightsholders have deep structures, owning lyrics doesn’t equal getting (all) royalties (I've worked in an industry very adjacent to this so I sadly know way more about music royalties than I ever wanted to know 😂 I promise I have more interesting hobbies). Beyoncé will have needed to request (this is a rather informal process though) to record a cover or make use of samples from Jolene, meaning royalties for melody, performance rights, etc also need to happen - she could have changed every word but the rightsholders of the melody and production would still get their share. If Dolly owns 50% of the lyrics rights and Beyonce owns the other half - but Dolly continues to own 100% of publishing rights, she effectively owns more than Beyonce.
I assume both parties will have come to an agreement that works for both ends - Dolly has refused to give Elvis Presley credit before for a song she wrote and for which he wanted 50%, so it's not like she doesn't know what she is doing.
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Interesting, thank you.
 
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PineappleQueen19 said:
Laurens point is that money/influence has meant mainstream channels are turning a blind eye, so where else would you see it? Lauren is credible.
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I don't know anything really about this paternity claim. A quick look seems to suggest it has been thrown out of court at lower levels and the recent case was withdrawn? Is there any actual evidence?

I have looked at the lady's Instagram which doesn't really cry out credible. What makes you think she is a credible source? (For example this particular post was liked by 58 people and attracted 7 comments of which two were from her )