Jay Z & Beyonce

[GoldSilver]

Do people think Beyoncé used surrogates for both pregnancies or just for Blue?

 

[Mishmash1207]

So jay z has been spending quite abit of money lately, first it was bey’s Grammy and now it seems the 13 year old victim has “dropped” her case” not jay just paid her off

I honestly don't believe that he paid her off. If he did, it would've been made public knowledge. The lawyer representing the victim would've made sure if it. He was very vocal about his honesty from the beginning. I don't believe a man would settle after claiming innocence, just for the sake of making the case go away. The case was BS from the beginning. I get it, people don't like Beyonce of Jay-Z, (I personally don't care for the latter), but it was very clear that this was a cash grab that went wrong. This case makes me wonder how many other celebrities have had to pay out, so they don't have their image ruined.

Regarding the Grammy, I am not well versed in how that works, however, if they were to be brought, I would've expected Taylor Swift to have one an award this year, but she didn't win any. I was under the assumption that the Grammys were voted for by peers in the music industry. Someone please correct me if i am wrong.

 

[GoldSilver]

I wonder if they’ll make Blue and Rumi into part of a girl band with them as the ‘stars’. Awful to be parading them around. They are kids and too young to understand the implications of fame at a young age when they should be at school and hanging out with their friends.

Only one can be Beyoncé though - the other Solange. Wonder if Beyoncé is waiting to see which one is most popular and then push on with that one.

 

[Spid]

That child (because that’s what she is) looks really uncomfortable in that video

She looked awkward the first time she performed on tour with Beyonce but then by the end of the tour she looked way better. So yeah, she'll get better with experience

 

[didisaythatoutloudoops]

RIP Chris

I'm kind of on the fence about this actually. I really believe that artists can switch genres, or sounds, and I think they should be recognised in the category that the album/song is in.

But I also thing that country is really unique in that it is more than just a certain 'sound', it's a kind of collective of the grit and resilience of the working class, a set of defined (very Christian) morals focused on hardship and heart over perfection and riches, and a deep connection to a specific landscape.

Beyoncé, on the other hand, to me has always idolised perfection above all else - an almost otherworldly level of polish. She idolises material goods and richness, excess, and 'excellence' through it. Some people seem to love it. Personally I feel like it's easy to be polished and make-up perfect when you're a billionaire. And even though Cowboy Carter has a country twang in terms of surface sound, it doesn't feel country in any other way. It actually feels the opposite to me.

Her sitting jarringly facing the camera on the album cover sums it up - it's objectively beautiful, yes, the horse and her and the outfit is perfectly steamed and ironed and her hair is blowing just right in the wind. She's flawless and untouchable. But if country is about grittiness, roughness, and heart over appearance - then this isn't country.

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

The idea that she's somehow revolutionary for combining/switching genres - she's not even the only contemporary star to do that, Taylor Swift does.

I understand people finding her music appealing, perhaps looking up to her as a beautiful black woman, etc. But I find her in all ways just an average popstar of our time.

Yeah, but Taylors voice cannot compete with Beyonce's though. She doesn't even come close.

 

[ZeldaPinwheel]

The concert's being slated, although a lot of that could be the venue's fault, rather than Beyonce's - https://radaronline.com/p/beyonce-fan-demands-refund-cowboy-carter-tour-worst-concert-experience/

 

[Spid]

I just struggle to understand what makes her stand out from any other 'star of the time'. I can't see anything she's done that could be considered revolutionary or that she spearheaded.

The 'Cultural Impact of Beyonce' Wikipedia page for instance... apparently she 'revived the music video as an art form' and 'is single handedly keeping the art of the music video alive'. Madonna and Michael Jackson were certainly making iconic ones far before her, and I'd argue Lady Gaga and Rihanna were producing them at Beyonce's heyday. They certainly haven't died since then. The idea that she's somehow revolutionary for combining/switching genres - she's not even the only contemporary star to do that, Taylor Swift does.

I understand people finding her music appealing, perhaps looking up to her as a beautiful black woman, etc. But I find her in all ways just an average popstar of our time.

Well Gaga has fallen off music wise big time and Rihanna hasn't had album in nearly 10 years. But it was Beyonce who started doing surprise album releases too.

 

[dumdums83]

Haha I knew it wouldn’t sell out, that’s why she drag her kids out, she seems use too pimping kids out

 

[Andioooop]

What’s everyones thoughts on the Cathy White (Jayz’s mistress) situation there’s speculation that Cathy is Blu Ivy’s real mother who died just before she was going to go public with her and Jay-Zs relationship and a few months later Beyonce gave birth to Blu after hiring out 2 floors of the hospital. It sounds absolutely absurd but nothing surprises me at this point!
Here’s the link on the whole speculation for anyone interested

 

[HereForTheLols_]

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Has he deleted this now? I can’t see it!

 

[GoldSilver]

Why such a focus on Blue while their younger ones aren’t in the limelight at all?

 

[PineappleQueen19]

If the reports of ripping off the fans are true I’m not surprised it’s not going well

 

[JARhead]

does Anyone think the death of that tik toker forget her name but she used to say you want more I’ll give you more. Is anything to do with this? i remember at the time loads of vids saying jlo and pdiddy had something to do with her death! my be just conspiracy though

As far as I recall there was no mystery surrounding her passing. It was the result of a heart problem. RIP Kyle Marisa Roth

 

[Andioooop]

Considering that woman died four months before Blue was born, I’m gonna say no

Some things make sense, some don’t! Some people say Blu looks alot older than what she really is. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out

She has her mum's eyes but her dad's mouth/ jaw area

That’s what i’ve always thought x

 

[didisaythatoutloudoops]

Is this the writer from the daily mail article?

It's 500 seats in a 60,000 stadium. How many do you think were given to food banks to get it to that level?

Country is a genre that doesn't do well over here. Her last tour at the same stadium sold out, and I'd bet her next tour does too

I don’t see her ever releasing the figures of how many ‘slashed price’ or free tickets were given out; what we do know is that thousands were available pre-concert for extremely reduced prices. That’s just Ticketmaster data. We’re in an era where concerts are expected, and do, sell out in minutes - I think it’s reasonable to ask why that didn’t happen here.

I think there’s two issues with pinning it on the album. Firstly country has done well here; I saw Garth Brooks in Dublin in Croke Park - that sold out five times, and that’s an 80,000 capacity stadium. Dolly, Shania, etc - all arena tours.

The second is that if it’s true, it shows Beyoncé isn’t a universally revered artist on MJ, Whitney etc level - but her popularity is indeed dependent on her latest record. I think she’s going to have to shake up the strategy somehow, either playing the popular hits, touring smaller/less or going back to the pop/dance that she does well with.

 

[Spid]

Yes, I am. The reasoning I've seen being used is that 'people can't afford concert tickets in a recession' as the sole reason for low ticket sales. If other concerts of similar sizes and prices ARE selling out in exactly the same economy, then that's not likely to be the issue.

I think there is a valid question to be asked on whether Beyonce is actually producing the tour her fans want to see. While it is the newest - and indeed more sales are likely to come, even if slowly - Cowboy Carter is one of, if not the worst-selling albums of her career. Do fans want to see a tour dedicated to it, or do they just want a greatest hits tour?

People will be paying out of their backsides to get oasis tickets because it's a rarity, likewise they did with Eras tour. This is just a tour of an album, two years after her last tour. It's not major

I'm sure it's still going to gross a huge amount of revenue, it's not going to flop like Katy Perry's tour or anything but it might not have insane resale demand. Which is fine.

 

[Spid]

I think it'll be interesting to see if these issues continue in other venues. The issue I have is that when something is fixed (like those awful pit views), or something is done well, the megafans are happy to go 'Beyonce personally did this for us'. But when something is objectively crap - like tickets dropping to $20 to fill seats, distorted sound, obstructed views on premium tickets - the same fans are going 'it's the venue/Ticketmaster/just bad luck'.

The (lack of) ticket sales really is interesting, though. I've seen the recession blamed, but Oasis sold out in seconds and Olivia Rodrigo/Taylor Swift's tour, too. Now there's a lot of heat on the SoFi stadium... but a setlist with most of her top hits missing, the weird inserting of Blue Ivy and Rumi, etc all makes me think this issue isn't going anyway.

LOL are you seriously comparing oasis's first tour in 16 years or Taylor playing a greatest hits tour to Beyonce touring an album?!

 

[Ridandroo]

I heard Rita Ora.

 

[Luce0331]

I hate to say it because it’s incredibly ageist and perhaps misogynistic but I’m starting to think she’s getting too old to be doing all that. She’s still a great performer but the high energy dancing feels very forced now.

I saw her on tour year before last and she was quite layed back with dancing kept to a minimum which was blamed on a knee injury but she is 43 now, it’s okay to slow it down.

I think she can come across a bit desperate to appear young and sexy, like the cringe Pamela Anderson dress up for Halloween

Saying that though I disagree that her star is fading, she still has a huge fan base and still selling albums and tickets to stadium concerts