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No, that's not the only thing to be said. He's taken his life, which is beyond tragic of course. There are still millions of questions to ask about the people who enabled him, didn't stop him etc. Blocking this thread is madness imo
I’m so relieved this is getting talked about. My immediate thought after hearing about JA was ‘look what you made me do…’
I too have experience of people once close to me threatening harm because they had been found out in a lie or some such.
It’s an awful life, constantly on eggshells. Condolences to his family.
Family’s statement from the Guardian.
Of course I don't like to read that he's died. I have read things about him this week and found it amusing, but it wasn't just on him, it was also the people that we would naturally expect to complete due diligence, have common sense over the BS he was talking.. but instead they promoted him and probably contributed to him telling more lies.
Nobody wins in this scenario. People need to use their common sense and call out BS, but likewise, telling lies is also pointless and easy to uncover in this day and age. I feel sorry for his children.
Nobody wins in this scenario. People need to use their common sense and call out BS, but likewise, telling lies is also pointless and easy to uncover in this day and age. I feel sorry for his children.
I am thinking about PDA. It's the only way the autism diagnosis, non verbal, highly intelligent & also able to live in fantasy fits for me.
It's a bit late for me to set out my reasons why, brain not too alert. It is a sad state of affairs all round.
I feel sorry for the students he let down and told they have white privilege when they rightfully questioned his marking/feedback/support.
I feel sorry for some of his colleagues who will have been silenced in the past for questioning his academic integrity and work performance.
Many people have been silenced in favour of the continuation of excess fawning of this man who did not achieve what he claimed to.
It's sad it's come to this but the questions must not be swept under the rug.
I feel sorry for some of his colleagues who will have been silenced in the past for questioning his academic integrity and work performance.
Many people have been silenced in favour of the continuation of excess fawning of this man who did not achieve what he claimed to.
It's sad it's come to this but the questions must not be swept under the rug.
He's already a martyr over on Reddit.
The majority over there are criticising the huge media pile on that was 'disproportionate' to what he'd done.
I know the story got a lot of attention, but I don't really think it was a disproportionate pile on? I never saw anyone saying, "Wow what an awful man, here's a panel of experts to analyse his body language and say he's a psychopath. He should have his children taken off him!" It was all just talking about what he had done.
If lots of media outlets reported on it, that's because there are lots of media outlets. And sorry because he's now dead, but at the time it was funny. "Man claims he ran 9 marathons on a broken leg" is funny. We can't demand that people don't talk about stories like this. We can be critical of when discourse spirals out of hand, but that didn't happen here imo.
The majority over there are criticising the huge media pile on that was 'disproportionate' to what he'd done.
I know the story got a lot of attention, but I don't really think it was a disproportionate pile on? I never saw anyone saying, "Wow what an awful man, here's a panel of experts to analyse his body language and say he's a psychopath. He should have his children taken off him!" It was all just talking about what he had done.
If lots of media outlets reported on it, that's because there are lots of media outlets. And sorry because he's now dead, but at the time it was funny. "Man claims he ran 9 marathons on a broken leg" is funny. We can't demand that people don't talk about stories like this. We can be critical of when discourse spirals out of hand, but that didn't happen here imo.
Threatening and actually doing are two totally separate things. The act is final, there is no getting what you want from it in the way that threatening it maintains control over the person you’re threatening it towards. You’re gone. You don’t get any satisfaction from it.
It is most likely that he felt totally humiliated and couldn’t see a way of overcoming it. And it’s understandable, he went from being someone most people had never heard of to being on prime time TV news reports, all over media sites and being spoken about on social media, that is a hell of a lot for a regular person to deal with.
He may have been a liar, he may have treated his students poorly and ruined their learning experience according to them. But the fallout from it, which was sensationalised because the university didn’t do their due diligence was immense and I don’t think many people would cope well with it.
Absolutely this. This is the vacuum that these people operate in. People don't feel they could call things out in case they are or were accused of something.
I have so many thoughts on this, but one of the big ones for me is: whose idea was it to engage Carter-Ruck? Who contacted and paid them?
You can see on this thread that many people haven't even heard of them. That escalated the situation dramatically. It also made it clear there was in fact a serious case to answer, and Cambridge absolutely should have taken action at that point.
The publishers also hold a lot of responsibility. The book is terrible, and as we can all see, totally implausible. They must have known it would not stand up to any scrutiny.
As someone who's done a PhD and knows lots of others who have too, the extracts from the book bear no relation to what the experience is really like. He clearly didn't even know what it was like from the outside. It is horrifying that he was supervising PhD students.
He was obviously a con man and a fraud, but the lies were so mad and so huge that it was always going to fall apart. Which means that all of those enablers, who used him for their own profit, should be held to account.
But they won't.
Mary beard has been tweeting that everyone should now stop asking Cambridge any questions...
You can see on this thread that many people haven't even heard of them. That escalated the situation dramatically. It also made it clear there was in fact a serious case to answer, and Cambridge absolutely should have taken action at that point.
The publishers also hold a lot of responsibility. The book is terrible, and as we can all see, totally implausible. They must have known it would not stand up to any scrutiny.
As someone who's done a PhD and knows lots of others who have too, the extracts from the book bear no relation to what the experience is really like. He clearly didn't even know what it was like from the outside. It is horrifying that he was supervising PhD students.
He was obviously a con man and a fraud, but the lies were so mad and so huge that it was always going to fall apart. Which means that all of those enablers, who used him for their own profit, should be held to account.
But they won't.
Mary beard has been tweeting that everyone should now stop asking Cambridge any questions...
This is utterly tragic but there is much to be learned here and the conversation should definitely carry on respectfully. I can see that people are very upset, as is their right, but the fact is people are right to be asking questions. I do feel awful for his children but I truly question if his family enabled this. They don’t deserve to be hounded but they should definitely be reflecting.
Yeah. But still, he very very likely was not actually diagnosed as he claimed, that's what we were saying. So what type of autism he had may not even be a thing, because his story of his diagnosis and symptoms doesn't stand up.
Dreadful news. I'm so sorry for his loved ones.
I don't think it was inevitable - lots of people have suffered public shaming and some even build some kind of new career on the back of the notoriety.
However as others have said, a loss of control is intolerable for some and he had truly lost control of the narrative.
I too hope this isn't used by those who were responsible for enabling him as an excuse to sweep their part under the carpet.
I don't think it was inevitable - lots of people have suffered public shaming and some even build some kind of new career on the back of the notoriety.
However as others have said, a loss of control is intolerable for some and he had truly lost control of the narrative.
I too hope this isn't used by those who were responsible for enabling him as an excuse to sweep their part under the carpet.
If he hadn’t Barbara Streisanded himself it coulda stayed as a Times Higher Ed story that would have stayed in a small bubble.
I’m not sure what the right safeguarding would have been post media burst for Cambridge to put in place? I’m imaging how anorexics find ways to stay ana despite being in-patients. If JA could blag his way into Cambridge, I’m sure he could blag his way around anyone whose advice he didn’t want to follow
I’m not sure what the right safeguarding would have been post media burst for Cambridge to put in place? I’m imaging how anorexics find ways to stay ana despite being in-patients. If JA could blag his way into Cambridge, I’m sure he could blag his way around anyone whose advice he didn’t want to follow
I thought Cambridge said they didn’t engage CR
perhaps inappropriate but it’s nice to see you
Frankly I think they have more questions to answer.
Been out all day without mobile reception...bloody hell.
This is on Cambridge, who had a duty of care to many people, students and staff alike, which they have utterly failed to deliver on.
This is on Cambridge, who had a duty of care to many people, students and staff alike, which they have utterly failed to deliver on.
Per the family statement, I wonder if any details of what the campaigns of sustained abuse, misinfomation and harassment entailed eventually come to light.
I find it hard to believe any information that comes from the family at this point, especially having seen extracts from the ridiculous memoir.
I find it hard to believe any information that comes from the family at this point, especially having seen extracts from the ridiculous memoir.
I had never heard of this man before two weeks ago, and even when the articles first appeared on the Daily Mail, I paid little attention to them as I thought it was just his academic credentials that were being questioned, and I had no particular interest in the story.
I think the only reason it did blow up most recently is because of the other extraneous tall tales he told, that quite frankly were just incredible if not comical. He seemed to seek out celebrity by way of television appearances and this book that’s going to be published next week. It was inevitable that this book would gain him lots of attention, just the wrong kind of attention. It was a can of worms.
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