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I'm actually kind of impressed that they managed to write a paragraph that says absolutely nothing. 😂
This happens all the time at the company I work for- my boss and I call it flatuating 🤣 taking up a lot of space with something and it kind of just floats around and is completely meaningless. Usually it’s the men.
 
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Regardless of my opinions of Rowling, seeing that front page of The Sun this morning has sickened me. No woman should have to wake up to find the face of her abuser on the front page of such filth. And for The Sun to undermine the abuse with that headline? It's never "just a slap" and even if it had been (which it clearly wasn't) – abuse is abuse and to stick him on the front cover and paint him as near-heroic is inexcusable. No woman should ever have to find her abuse underplayed like that.
There have been a high level of complaints about the Sun front page to IPSO. I wonder whether any of the Harry Potter crew or Redmayne will stick their oar in. I suspect not. They dont think abused women are their target audience. They probably dont have as much time to keyboard warrior on Twitter for a start so who cares about them eh?
 
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Please don't assume I was ever intolerant to other views on abortion rights and gay marriage because I certainly wasn't. I actively sought out their arguments because I truly wanted to understand where they were coming from. The majority of people are not "good" or "bad."
I was never one of these hardy leftists, I know the type you're probably imagining me to be, lots of my friends are. But I always thought of myself as a soft left. But being surrounded by peers who are very far left, any beliefs I have that lean even centrist make me feel some guilt.
Another thing, centrism is now demonised by the left, which is the ultimate example of 'you must believe everything I believe or you're out.'
It always annoyed me that everyone (particularly far-lefts) think that every single person is black or white. Either all their beliefs align with the left, or they all align with the right. We're all individuals with our own capacity for thought, how can you expect everyone's thoughts to fall into two neat little boxes like that? It's bonkers. People aren't so straightforward. I think the most basic people are those that make themselves 'believe' something just because it falls on one particular side of the political spectrum.
God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a duck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.
 
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God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a duck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.
I used to be more left but am very centre now. I find as im getting older, I am getting more conservative in my views. I am 28 btw. Lol.
 
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I only ever voted Green. However they came out as massive trans pushers and absolutely shitting on women so I'll never vote for them again.

The Tories are disgusting, they are sinister and evil BUT they probably wouldn't allow trans activism to win and encroach on female spaces.

What a head duck!
 
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I only ever voted Green. However they came out as massive trans pushers and absolutely shitting on women so I'll never vote for them again.

The Tories are disgusting, they are sinister and evil BUT they probably wouldn't allow trans activism to win and encroach on female spaces.

What a head duck!
Regarding the Tories, I don’t know why people see them as anti-trans. All this transgender business in the past 5 years, including putting men without gender certificates in women’s prisons, has happened under their rule.
 
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Evanna Lynch (Luna Lovegood) has deleted twitter after receiving backlash because although she disagreed with JKR’s comments she said that she, as someone who knows JKR personally knows that she is a good person with good intentions and that basically she shouldn’t be abused for her comments. They came for her.

These extreme activists want nothing but complete submission. Even when you agree with them, if you say one thing they perceive to be wrong they’ll chew you up. I feel for her I read what she said and it seems she meant well, I bet she wishes she said nothing.
 
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As a woman in find it demeaning to call me a person who mensturates. I bleeping hate my periods and fail to see why I apparently now have to refer to myself as a bodily function so as not to offend people.

Yes not all women have periods including trans women, and some trans men who all have not started treatment might have periods but this is a small number of people and I don't understand why trans people are so offended by this. A women who has been through the menopause or has had a hysterectomy is no less a woman because her periods have stopped.

Periods do not make you a woman and being a woman does not mean you have to have periods.

The original tweet put out does deserve all the backlash that has been given. I appreciate that there is wider context with JK Rowling and things in the past and her recent post regarding the abuse she suffered. She has never in everything I have read said she hates trans people. It is completely right that if someone is trans they have the right to change their gender and live how they want but in also think that this needs to be done with caution and the right support and for the right reasons and that there needs to be proper debate about protecting the rights of both trans women and cis women. This is especially true for those who have suffered trauma.

Most of the comments on twitter and things that the HP cast have said are basically shutting down debate which needs to happen to protect both sides.
 
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I love the fact that people on twitter are attacking jk and people who are supporting her, i can’t wait to grow up in a generation that accepts trans people and gives them the same rights and respect they deserve because they are who they are, going to be so peaceful and fair with no judgement 😁

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:LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
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Evanna Lynch (Luna Lovegood) has deleted twitter after receiving backlash because although she disagreed with JKR’s comments she said that she, as someone who knows JKR personally knows that she is a good person with good intentions and that basically she shouldn’t be abused for her comments. They came for her.

These extreme activists want nothing but complete submission. Even when you agree with them, if you say one thing they perceive to be wrong they’ll chew you up. I feel for her I read what she said and it seems she meant well, I bet she wishes she said nothing.
Dan Fogler tweeted a very similar message, yet he's not receiving half as much backlash as Evanna. In fact, most people are praising his words.

It's almost as if men aren't as easy targeted and vulnerable for online abuse as women. Who would have thought.
 
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Dan Fogler tweeted a very similar message, yet he's not receiving half as much backlash as Evanna. In fact, most people are praising his words.

It's almost as if men aren't as easy targeted and vulnerable for online abuse as women. Who would have thought.
More men need to stand up and be counted on this. Probably why they arent pushing the ftm issues in the same way as Mtf because they know once straight men are told if they dont start dating trans women they are trans phobic the tide will turn against them. No one listens to women ( unless they are trans women)
 
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This sort of bleeping tit makes my blood boil.
The arrogant patronising man who wrote this crap ends with:

Ultimately, that’s what it comes down to. We all know a JK Rowling. Someone who refuses to accept when they’re wrong and finds some convoluted, circuitous way to prove the validity of their stance. How do you deal with those people? You can keep arguing and educating and pointing to resources to no avail. Or you can sigh and move on. I think it’s time we all collectively sighed and moved on from JKR.

God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a duck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.
I feel your pain and am similar. In my youth I was left wing and I remember being delighted when Blair got elected. Disillusionment soon set in and now I don't feel represented by any political party.

The extreme left and right these days are very toxic and there appears to be no room for debate in a civilised way. Just bullying and everyone towing the line in case someone turns the attack dogs on them
 
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Dan Fogler tweeted a very similar message, yet he's not receiving half as much backlash as Evanna. In fact, most people are praising his words.

It's almost as if men aren't as easy targeted and vulnerable for online abuse as women. Who would have thought.
It’s a tale as old as time isn’t it? If anything this whole fiasco has shone a huge spotlight on misogyny in our society. It really can’t be any more obvious at this point. Not that anyone will notice because they are too busy crying ‘transwomen are women’ over and over.

Men are allowed to express their views whereas women get harassed or abused for Anything but 100% compliance. Pisses me right off.

I’m actually impressed with the Warner Bros statement, it’s the best they could do in this day and age to not throw JKR to the wolves while avoiding offending deranged wokesters.
I thought the same they remained very neutral and actually managed to not chuck JKR under the bus at the same time. It’s enough to keep the activists happy without shitting all over one of the biggest names on their books and they’ve not once spoken or apologised in her behalf. Good on them.
 
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Whatever happened to the simple times of ‘your fave is problematic’?

Regardless of what anyone thinks of her opinions, I don’t see the value in claiming she isn’t the author whether stated jokingly or not. Of course it’s upsetting when someone whose art you enjoy and who you consequently look up to has a wildly different opinion to your own. Even more so when you perceive that opinion as an attack on yourself or those you care about. But at the end of the day, she wrote the books, you enjoyed them, people are multifaceted and you can separate liking art from liking/agreeing with a person

Personally, I like mostly 20th century literature. When I learned of certain writers being overtly sexist and/or racist, I did find it off putting as a woman of colour. But I learned to accept that liking their work didn’t mean I had to like their opinions. If these writers were modern and alive like JK Rowling, I might decide not to fund them which would be fair enough. There’s nothing wrong with voting with your wallet. However, declaring them no longer the author because you don’t agree with them is petty and pointless

I know ‘your fave is problematic’ became a meme but there’s value in the concept. Someone can produce amazing work yet be flawed. They (or their work) can still be your fave, but it’s healthy to acknowledge their perceived downfalls. Categorising people as good/bad with no grey area is dangerous and upholds them to a superhuman standard as no one is fully good or bad (and that’s subjective anyway)
Yes you make a very good point. There are many artists whose work I admire but their private lives may have been rather questionable (certainly by today's stringent toxic morality code). We must always separate art from the artist and acknowledge that we cannot apply todays attitudes to Regency times, Victorian times, 1940s, 1980s, etc etc

How many more celebs can jump on this bandwagon before it breaks? I'm beginning to hope and that they will all turn on each other like a pack of rabid dogs.
 
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Here’s me thinking that threads on this website are meaningful but then i came across this deluded one... continue crying about news articles sticking up for people’s rights saying they are “arrogant and patronising” When clearly all of you bleeping Jk supporters are just the same with all your “i don’t feel safe in toilets with a trans person” bull.
 
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Here’s me thinking that threads on this website are meaningful but then i came across this deluded one... continue crying about news articles sticking up for people’s rights saying they are “arrogant and patronising” When clearly all of you bleeping Jk supporters are just the same with all your “i don’t feel safe in toilets with a trans person” bull.
I realise that it's a divisive debate but I don't see anyone here saying "bleeping trans supporters" about people on this thread. There have been many civil posts from both sides. Are you saying that all women should feel safe in toilets with male bodies? That's just not always going to be the case unfortunately. Women are entitled to a safe space if they so wish
 
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God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a duck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.
AMEN to this, exact same boat.
 
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I realise that it's a divisive debate but I don't see anyone here saying "bleeping trans supporters" about people on this thread. There have been many civil posts from both sides. Are you saying that all women should feel safe in toilets with male bodies? That's just not always going to be the case unfortunately. Women are entitled to a safe space if they so wish
YES i would feel safe, there is no reason to feel threatened, tell me what could possibly happen? chances are you probably have already used a female toilet which a trans person has used as well and you didn’t even notice, people already judge them a lot for unfortunately being born in the wrong body and now they can’t even use their toilet because their body doesn’t match? (pretending a female born with a male body) that persons mentality is of the gender they truly are so i think the chances of your privacy being destroyed? is very low. Your telling me the safety of a toilet is based on the people who go in there? There are past criminals who have probably used a public toilet same time as you, should we ban all criminals and send them to a different toilet because perhaps they can’t be trusted? No.
 
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