J. K. Rowling

[Sunflower91]

They’re also calling for Emma Watson to be the “author” so it’s not all about man taking from women. Not that I agree with this whole “re authoring” nonsense. It’s just like cancel culture.

I used to love the HP series until it became a merch monster. I lost a lot of respect when the play came out. It was like it was written by a completely different person and I couldn’t help but think that that’s what the series had come to- spin offs to make the money tick over.

 

[Bette21]

I also don't see how it came out of nowhere. A few months ago she spoke up for Maya Forstater, who got fired from her job for saying biological sex is real. JK used her powerful voice to stand up for this woman, and that is when the torrent of abuse started from trans activists. According to her essay, she said she went off Twitter for a while as it was affecting her mental health. She only came back on because she was doing something with kids submitting drawings, which I've been seeing come up on my feed for a while now. Then she saw the article about "people who menstruate" and she felt she had to speak out against it.

That’s a bit misleading.. Maya didn’t have her contract renewed because she refused to call people by their chosen gender. Supposedly JK has no problem with trans people, she said she would march with them. she just also believes in biological sex. Which is why I think the Maya thing upset a lot of people because deliberately misgendering people doesn’t really equate to being ok with trans people at all.

They’re also calling for Emma Watson to be the “author” so it’s not all about man taking from women. Not that I agree with this whole “re authoring” nonsense. It’s just like cancel culture.

I used to love the HP series until it became a merch monster. I lost a lot of respect when the play came out. It was like it was written by a completely different person and I couldn’t help but think that that’s what the series had come to- spin offs to make the money tick over.

I think it was written by a different person and JK was just part of the story idea. I don’t like all the stuff she added afterwards like Dumbledore being gay. If you want a gay character, write a gay character. Don’t just add it as an afterthought later, it felt very disingenuous.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

That’s a bit misleading.. Maya didn’t have her contract renewed because she refused to call people by their chosen gender. Supposedly JK has no problem with trans people, she said she would march with them. she just also believes in biological sex. Which is why I think the Maya thing upset a lot of people because deliberately misgendering people doesn’t really equate to being ok with trans people at all.


I think it was written by a different person and JK was just part of the story idea. I don’t like all the stuff she added afterwards like Dumbledore being gay. If you want a gay character, write a gay character. Don’t just add it as an afterthought later, it felt very disingenuous.

I don't know enough about the Maya issue but should a woman really lose her job for not thinking a certain way? I totally will respect anyones right to want to be referred to as she/ her of course. Doesn't live and let live work both ways? You expect people to live and let live to you so why not live and let live to them also? Not everyone will agree with your views

 

[Bette21]

I don't know enough about the Maya issue but should a woman really lose her job for not thinking a certain way? I totally will respect anyones right to want to be referred to as she/ her of course. Doesn't live and let live work both ways? You expect people to live and let live to you so why not live and let live to them also? Not everyone will agree with your views

Sure, she can think a certain way, but if she’s creating a hostile environment at work because of her refusal to refer to someone with their preferred pronoun, and it’s against company policy, then the company ultimately have the right to choose not to renew your contract. This is what the judge said:

"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," he continued.

So I personally don’t see how somebody can stand with Maya and also have support for the trans community, which JK claims to do. She was deliberately misgendering people and it just seems very cruel.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Sure, she can think a certain way, but if she’s creating a hostile environment at work because of her refusal to refer to someone with their preferred pronoun, and it’s against company policy, then the company ultimately have the right to choose not to renew your contract. This is what the judge said:

"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," he continued.

So I personally don’t see how somebody can stand with Maya and also have support for the trans community, which JK claims to do. She was deliberately misgendering people and it just seems very cruel.

Thanks for that. Like I said I didn't know enough on it but I understand more now

 

[jewelkitty]

Sure, she can think a certain way, but if she’s creating a hostile environment at work because of her refusal to refer to someone with their preferred pronoun, and it’s against company policy, then the company ultimately have the right to choose not to renew your contract. This is what the judge said:

"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," he continued.

So I personally don’t see how somebody can stand with Maya and also have support for the trans community, which JK claims to do. She was deliberately misgendering people and it just seems very cruel.

Thanks for the clarification. I definitely wasn't intending to be misleading. I genuinely had read on news sites that it was because she refused to back down from saying that biological sex is real.

 

[Lanavalentine]

I think JK’s essay explained everything very well. It even explained why she put out her tweet on Saturday.

She’s fantastic, and I found her essay to be very moving. I am surprised anyone could ignore the things she said in it, but I guess a lot of people against her aren’t actually reading it, as a lot of transactivists seem to be persuading people not to read it on Twitter.

I find that very childish. Personally I always read and engage with an oppositional argument as it helps me develop my own.

 

[Inforapenny]

So there is an article on the daily mail website (yes I know!) Dedicated to Emma Watson getting thrashed for speaking out apparently against jk Rowling (I haven't seen her Twitter response and I don't necessarily agree with Emma's take from what is allegedly is reported in the article). However
the Dailymail is enjoying bringing Emma down (I'm sure because she's a bright woman who doesn't keep quiet)
The wording of the headline and article is of course to lambaste Emma.
Now when it came to the Dailymail reporting on Radcliffe and Redmayne there was not such scrutiny or criticism in, the Dailymail reported it to provoke but with the Emma article they've gone to town and whipped up an argument about feminism....cue the excuse to be misogynistic and now hate both JK and Emma.....

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I certainly won't be clicking on the daily mail but I'm not particularly impressed by Emma Watson's brand of feminism in this instance (the response she put out, no clue about what else she does). She threw JKR under a bus and didn't even show a shred of empathy to another woman who just said she had been assaulted

 

[Hunnaybadgerz]

So happy to see two pampered, white males tell a woman what she should think about her own safety and body.

 

[Inforapenny]

So happy to see two pampered, white males tell a woman what she should think about her own safety and body.

Yes, phew! For a minute there I was worried I wouldn't know what to do
I find them both mats but have a real disliking for Redmayne. He just plays himself in every film and pouts constantly. If you ever see him with his wife ...well he's ain't humble and has to be centre of pouty central.

 

[Hunnaybadgerz]

Yes, phew! For a minute there I was worried I wouldn't know what to do
I find them both mats but have a real disliking for Redmayne. He just plays himself in every film and pouts constantly. If you ever see him with his wife ...well he's ain't humble and has to be centre of pouty central.

I’m happy to say ive never seen any of his films. Just another Eton twit who has had everything handed to him on a plate yet thinks he is gods gift. Now as he played a trans person he thinks he can speak on women’s issues. twit.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I posted this on another thread, it's also relevant here

 

[jewelkitty]

I said this on the other thread so sorry for my repetition but I dared to share the essay on fb last night. All I said was "I support Jk Rowling." Got one old lecturer who I was fond of dramatically announce "this is where we part ways" and immediately unfriended me after 9 years of knowing each other. The only other person who showed objection (besides the silent few who just unfriended me) said JK "being cursed at" (lol?! I wouldn't call that being cursed at, it was vitriolic abuse) was no excuse for her prejudice, blah blah. He compared it to the Irish marriage equality referendum. He actually thinks that the argument that was relevant to the vote, which was that gay people marrying each other does not affect any one else (very true), is also relevant to trans activism. What a joke. It affects everyone! He summed up that little comment using intersex people as an argument (surprise, surprise). Both people commented and immediately unfriended me so they wouldn't see my replies to them. Utterly childish. I did however have more support in likes and private messages saying they agree but are too afraid to show support for JK.

Also, I'm starting to wonder. Are these views a generational thing? Are the views different between younger and older women, or is it just that older women give less of a tit and are less afraid to speak out?

 

[SqualorVictoria]

@jewelkitty like you I was very much 100% pro choice and pro equal marriage but now I feel like, in most peoples eyes, I am on the "wrong" side of the fence and it scares me as I know if I say anything to certain people I'll be blocked, unfriended, deemed a bigot.

I couldn't sleep for ages last night and I even started to doubt myself. That's how damaging it is, people are afraid to speak up

 

[Team JCM]

Sure, she can think a certain way, but if she’s creating a hostile environment at work because of her refusal to refer to someone with their preferred pronoun, and it’s against company policy, then the company ultimately have the right to choose not to renew your contract. This is what the judge said:

"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," he continued.

So I personally don’t see how somebody can stand with Maya and also have support for the trans community, which JK claims to do. She was deliberately misgendering people and it just seems very cruel.

Thank you for explaining this as personally i have been confused as to what JK’s view/stance is! Basically and correct me if i’m wrong, is her main issue based around shared facilities between trans and non trans women out of fear of assault or attack? She has suffered sexual abuse from men in the past which is horrific, but we are talking about women - assault on women by women no?

 

[jewelkitty]

@jewelkitty like you I was very much 100% pro choice and pro equal marriage but now I feel like, in most peoples eyes, I am on the "wrong" side of the fence and it scares me as I know if I say anything to certain people I'll be blocked, unfriended, deemed a bigot.

I couldn't sleep for ages last night and I even started to doubt myself. That's how damaging it is, people are afraid to speak up

Aw I completely relate! Trans activism seems to be seen as a left wing thing (although I know I and others would disagree with that).
And I am left wing in most things: abortion rights, marriage equality, black lives matter, things like that.
So I also doubt myself sometimes and wonder if I'm on the wrong 'side' with this topic. I also couldn't sleep the last two nights with all this going on

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Thank you for explaining this as personally i have been confused as to what JK’s view/stance is! Basically and correct me if i’m wrong, is her main issue based around shared facilities between trans and non trans women out of fear of assault or attack? She has suffered sexual abuse from men in the past which is horrific, but we are talking about women - assault on women by women no?

Have you read her open letter? It can't really be distilled down to one paragraph. It runs far more complex than that

 

[Team JCM]

Have you read her open letter? It can't really be distilled down to one small paragraph

Not yet but will head there next. Wanted to see if the key arguments on each side were on here first.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Not yet but will head there next. Wanted to see if the key arguments on each side were on here first.

I really wish I was articulate enough to give a TLDR version! But sadly, I'm far from it!