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nothinonyou

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So sorry to hear these horrific stories. Isabelles story is making me so sad because you turn to your mother for help and guidance and care so much in life. Even now in my 30s I turn to my mother for so many different things and we're not even particularly close. I know I shouldn't compare the cases but this horrifies me more than Preston's case because she gave birth to Isabelle and cared for her for two years. Preston didn't know his "two dads" that well and it was only four months, in a sense they were strangers.
 
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zogsmum

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Mr Wright is doing such a good job imo. He’s already got her to admit that Isabelle died by being abused/attacked, I know AW’s defence is that HS is the only one responsible for the abuse, but I feel like that’s easily disproven.
I mean ffs how can you think a toddler covered in bruises and with broken bones is only poorly from a virus?
This is a woman who is apparently studying forensics, not anyone with a severe learning disability etc.
I think she lied about studying forensics.
 
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Muz72

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I think AW inflicted the majority of physical abuse, her Daughter was a block to her focusing on her drinking/drug habits and new boyfriend. Desperately trying to keep HS happy & content she allowed him to do whatever he wanted to that little girl sexually.

It’s a heartbreaking read & AW along with her Parents had zero ability to protect or care for her. They demonstrated this when they got defensive at the mention of safeguarding her after her injury. Parents with half a brain cell between them would know this would have been referred.

I just can’t comprehend how much this little one suffered 💔
 
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Emsie

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Spot on @TheMiceInTheShed
It's like saying "I know this lake is full of crocodiles but I'm going to let my child swim in it and if they get eaten it's the crocodiles fault not mine".
Safeguarding is all of our responsibility
 
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OGJessicaFletcher

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No live reporting today however there is a recap.

A mother has admitted she was worried her new boyfriend was a paedophile in the weeks leading up to her daughter’s ‘murder’.

Alexandra Walker searched the internet to try to discover whether Harrison Simpson was a convicted sex offender when she thought he had an unhealthy interest in her two-year-old.

The 26-year-old told Teesside Crown Court how, despite her concerns, she left Isabelle Welsh in her sole care just days after the internet search.

The toddler suffered fatal head injuries after enduring weeks of physical and sexual abuse at the hands of Alexandra Walker and Harrison Simpson, a jury heard.

Richard Wright, prosecuting, continued to cross-examine Walker about her evidence about her daughter's wellbeing in the weeks leading up to her death last September.

Walker admitted that she asked Simpson whether he was a paedophile as she had concerns about his ‘unhealthy’ interest in Isabelle after he bathed the toddler without her mother's permission.

Jurors had heard how the toddler was the victim of serious sexual assault in the days leading up to her death and traces of blood were recovered in her nappy when paramedics were called to her home.

The barrister also took the defendant through the catalogue of injuries her daughter suffered, including 21 broken bones.

He said: “In the weeks before she was killed somebody broke nearly all of the vertebrae in her back and her thigh and her knee and her foot.

“Where were the bruises reported in the weeks before she died?”

Walker replied: “There were some bruises on the Thursday but nothing compared to what she looked like on the day she died – it didn’t look like abuse.”

He continued: “She was being abused for weeks, you accept that don’t you?” Walker replied: “Yes.”

He asked: “And you never saw bruises on her body?” She replied: “Yes, but I didn’t think it was abuse.”

Mr Wright challenged Walker about conversations she had with her own mother after she visited the toddler at her Thornaby home.

He said: “Your mum said ‘I hope Isabelle picks up tomorrow – it’s the worst I have ever seen her. It’s heartbreaking to see, I’m seriously worried about her’.

“You could see that as well, couldn’t you? And you did nothing.”

Walker replied: “I tried my best to make Isabelle better, but I thought she had a viral infection.”

Dealing with a head injury inflicted days before Isabelle suffered her fatal bleed on the brain, the barrister asked Walker if she had caused the large bump on her daughter’s head.

She replied: “No, I did not.”

The jury heard how Walker had a cigarette in her kitchen after seeing her daughter gravely ill on the day the fatal head injuries were inflicted.

She accepted it was a frightening moment as she thought Isabelle was going to die.

Earlier in the trial, Dr Daniel Duplessis, a consultant neuropathologist who studied the damage to Isabelle's brain and spinal cord, said there was clear evidence that she suffered traumatic injury due to the multiple bleeds.

Concluding his evidence, he said Isabelle suffered a major impact to the skull, evident from the fracture, but there must have also been very excessive motion of the spine and the head on the spine.

Earlier, jurors had looked at computer-generated images cataloguing the bruising and scratching covering the toddler’s entire body.

Dr Sam Hoggard, a Home Office pathologist, said that the vast majority of the injuries would have been clearly visible to the naked eye during weeks of abuse.

He concluded: “This has resulted in her skull fracture and bleeding within the skull which ultimately resulted in fatal head injuries despite medical staff being able to restart her heart.”

Simpson, 22, of Greenham Close in Thorntree, Middlesbrough, and 26-year-old Walker, of Hartington Close in Thornaby, both deny murder.

The pair also deny four other charges involving Isabelle, including: causing or allowing the death of a child on September 14; two counts of assault by penetration between September 10 and September 14 last year; and cruelty to a person under 16.

The trial continues.
 
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FeelingPrawny

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So the CCTV in the house was due to previous DV. Now usually this wouldn't be self funded and would come from either SS, the council or a domestic abuse charity especially if it had previously been disclosed. (You can apply for grants to have this done). This should also mean that various support should be in place and should of monitored. So, is the CCTV actual CCTV and funded by support or something like a ring camera that can either record certain sections and be deleted and therefore self funded or actual CCTV that can't be accessed from the home. This still has more questions than answers that I fear we will never understand.
The searching online of her partner for sex offences, what exactly made her think to even do that? As stated before, the sex offenders register is not able to be accessed by the public. Why didn't she do a Sarah's law? It does take a while to do sadly, but the Child Exploitation Team at the police would of liaised with SS to safeguard depending on what was divulged.
Or even better, as soon as she had that thought in her head get support. Could this even be a case where it was both of them doing these things to her, however mum wanting to portray it was just the boyfriend?
Why didn't her mum and stepdad, step in when they noticed things weren't right and protect their granddaughter. They presumably would of been aware of the excessive drinking and the smell of cannabis in the house, knowing that environment wasn't safe for her.
I honestly feel that every year 11 should have to do a form of the freedom program to understand the different types of abuse about.
 
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Bobbi the builder

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You can only be charged with that if you live in the same household. There aren’t really any criminal charges for people outside the home for not reporting safeguarding concerns. I feel like there should but apparently it’s complex.
This is true. It’s frustrating.

Reminds me of the Sara Sharif case. The stepmother’s sister saw pictures of Sara ‘black and blue’ from abuse. Did nothing but to tell her sister ‘to pray’ and faced no charges when she did nothing, knowing the child was being abused.
 
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Tobodee

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That evidence is sickening “bending the spine forwards beyond the normal limits of the spine”, I don’t even want to think of what he/she did to cause it - it doesn’t sound like a ‘few hits’ from anger/loss of control (I know that’s obviously still horrific). It’s sounds very sadistic, like intentionally inflicting pain and torture. Poor poor girl
 
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Emsie

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No he didn't kill her, and yes AW probably "kept Isabelle away" from him but he could have gone to court and got contact with Isabelle.
It's rare that a family judge would say no contact. Even rapists and murderers get to see their children.
No he didn't kill her, but he didn't do much for her whilst she was alive either. Both things are true.
 
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ChastityDingle

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I didn't follow the trial, but read the thread from time to time. It's actually unbearable to even think about what that poor little girl went through. 😔 The pain and fear she must have felt during her short life. Indescribable.

Coming so soon after the trial of the murderers of baby Preston, I feel both sad and angry that so many helpless and vulnerable babies and children are so badly failed by those around them. And I hate to say it, but I am quite sure this won't be the last court case/ trial of this nature,
 
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Emsie

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What do you do though? If father’s go and physically take the child they’ll be arrested and lose any chance of contact in the future. In this case she’d accused him of DV and had CCTV up, so if he’d gone near the house even just to try and see Isabel he would have been arrested. People say about Dads and Grandparents, ‘Why didn’t they just take the child’, but they’d be arrested for it and potentially even blamed for any injuries and the child would probably be returned to the abusers without even the minimal contact they had previously. It happened in the Star Hobson case, the Great Grandparevts weren’t arrested, but social services believed the family had lied about Star’s whereabouts to get them to her Great Grandparents and then put make up on Star to fake an injury for photographs. They were warned off and threatened with arrest.
In the UK we have a court system that everyone can use. You go to court and get a contact order. If one person doesn't obey the court order you take it back to court.
I've no time for dad's like this.
Whilst he wasn't seeing Isabelle, was he sending money to contribute to her lifestyle? Was he putting money into a separate account for her? Was he in touch with organisations that can help fathers? Was he doing anything to heal himself to stop him abusing Isabelle's mother? Was he apologising for the abuse he inflicted on her? Was he trying to make amends?
 
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Emsie

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I admit I’ve looked at his fb since people have mentioned it on here. The pictures he’s put up of her… she looks unkempt bless her and there’s not even a carpet down in a lot of them. If you saw that surely you would want someone checking up. But, and I do feel awful saying this, his posts, spelling, general vibe give the impression of someone who might not have found it unusual to see those conditions, and who would rather post about being the victim than actually doing something productive for her while she was alive. Again I don’t want to kick a man when he’s down but we’ve all come across people like that on SM and it adds to the list of people (professionals included) who stood by and did nothing in the face of countless red flags. He shouldn’t be in this position of being scrutinised because his daughter was murdered, she should still be alive and like any other man in that situation he should have had the chance to try and do right by Isabelle though I just don’t feel like he would have. Spoiler for another merail. I am probably biased against him because I have never forgiven my sons’ “dad” for walking away on the day when he had physically seen that I was a complete state of an alcoholic and didn’t ring the social or police or anyone at all. He just left his kids there because it was too much effort to get involved and was more interested in feeling sorry for himself.
I love your posts. They are always so calm and insightful.
I agree with what you've said.
It isn't his fault that Isabelle is dead and he is allowed to grieve in a way that suits him.
But I know that if Isabelle was still alive he wouldn't have done anything for her.
 
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Where is the outrage and horror for baby Isabelle that there’s been for Preston Davey? Is it compassion fatigue? There was thread after thread on here for Preston, and rightly so, yet this case which is almost identical in what’s been done to this poor baby has barely a few pages.

What makes some child murders so much more “important” for want of a better word and newsworthy than others? It’s so sad.
 
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What's your point

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Thank you. I thought it might be a short deliberation but looks like not. The reporting on the case seems to have been very disjointed so maybe there is a lot more to discuss than we have read.
I hope they are just dotting the I and crossing the T and not considering letting either of these walk free, its probably stuck on the HS will be found guilty on all charges i just hope the same happens to AW.

Honestly thought there would be a verdict today.
 
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karmadrama

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Here we fucking go again. I’m still not over hearing the horrific things little Preston went through. What the fuck is wrong with the world when we’re hearing cases like this every two minutes. I wish I could leave work and go and cuddle my little ones. The fear and pain these babies must go through makes my heart ache so much 😢😢💔
 
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Fucking hell.

I can’t remember the last time I read anything as harrowing as the description of Isabelle’s injuries. Whoever mentioned Baby Brianna upthread isn’t wrong 😢. I just cannot comprehend beating a baby who is already so badly hurt (obviously I can’t comprehend beating a baby in the first place, but you know what I mean). What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I‘m still unsure of the timeline from when HS came on the scene to when Isabelle started being abused. Was AW already doing it before she met him? Was it in fact all her?

As for AW’s parents, I don’t believe for a second they didn’t know what was going on. That child was covered in bruises and there’s no way they didn’t see them.
 
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