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The fact she’s Googling these things, is worse if she hadn’t if you know what I mean. She’s not thick. Shes not been manipulated to a degree where she isn’t doing anything at all. She’s knows something is wrong. She knows who is physically harming her baby. And yet she’s having a fag in the kitchen just wondering what it’s going to the child. Not concerned enough to tell him to stop, not concerned enough to call police, go to hospital, take the child to safety. Hell, if you wanna be with him, that’s on you, take your child elsewhere where he can’t get to her. FFS, it’s horrific that we have one of these trials at all, never mind one straight after the other, with countless others due I’m sure, or that don’t hit the headlines. 😤
 
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bigmac22

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Apologies for the double post, but I’m genuinely horrified after hearing the extent of Isabelle’s injuries and the fact that AW’s mum and stepdad failed to act after seeing her in such a state. AW’s mum even went to the hospital about the broken leg too. It’s so difficult to comprehend that nobody intervened or protected Isabelle when she was so clearly and visibly suffering.

That poor baby was failed by the very people who should have kept her safe. I struggle to understand how the grandparents could have seen the bruising and not recognised that something was seriously wrong. Instead, they bought AW a 10 pack of Stella and left her in charge of Isabelle. And stepdad has the audacity to paint himself as the doting grandparent all over Facebook. They need locking up too.
 
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Cry me a river

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It seems she’s trying to paint herself as someone who’s incapable of making any decisions on her own, given she apparently wasn’t able to understand she needed to call an ambulance while her daughter lay black and blue and unresponsive
But got rid of the bong quick enough prioritising what was more important to her .
 
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At minimum, she was aware he was abusing that little girl and chose to turn a blind eye to keep a man in her life she’s known 5 minutes.
 
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Cry me a river

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Did I miss the 97 soft tissue injuries bit - 97 😳 .

Where the heck was the father , when did he last see her ?

Why didn’t that waste of space mother take that baby away instead of buying her alcohol.

Why didn’t SS act when so many red flags came up on the broken leg hospital visit .


Jurors had previously heard that Isabelle sustained fractures to 21 separate bones - including to her skull and spine - alongside a bleed on her brain and no fewer than 97 soft tissue injuries Richard Wright KC, prosecuting, told the court: "She had been subject to a series of physical and sexual abuse in the days and weeks leading up to her death."
 
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Updates from today so far will hide under a spoiler as they’re long, will need to be read from bottom up
Thank you for posting these, it’s very helpful to understand what’s being said as so much is missed in the summary articles. The poor stepdad walking in to find Isabelle like that. He must’ve felt like slapping that stupid woman.
 
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TheMiceInTheShed

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Just to add - I was always of the understanding that funerals for children were free. Happy to be corrected though.
I'm sure you're right and they are indeed free.

The govt probably doesn't cover 17 bejewelled elephants and 4,000 helium balloons, though. Obviously he doesn't want to draw attention to himself . . .

The "funeral she deserved" shouldn't have been available or necessary for at least another 70 years.
 
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Esme

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There definitely hasn’t been as much coverage on this case but as already said, I think a lot of that is the Preston case was a lot more sensational and click bait for the media. I’ve not read much online but have just caught up here, I think it helps this thread is smaller so has been easier for me. Whereas some threads move so fast I find it hard to keep up.

Irrelevant of anything else, it is absolutely heartbreaking so many children are being failed by those who are meant to protect them. Sadly I’m not surprised the HV wrote off the complaint after just a phone call. Having needed some support myself (SEND area), I have found the service to be severely lacking. Sometimes I wonder if it’s the lack of funding, but I also found a lot of staff to be entirely uncaring and unwilling to help. I dread to imagine if my calls for help had been related to a child at risk. Perhaps my own position of a SAHM, not receiving any universal credit/state benefits meant I wasn’t seen as “needy” enough but surely the service is there to help, it is there for the children. I’ve paid into the system for years when I worked. It is broken and unfit for purpose just like most other things in this country.

Thank you very much to those who added the court updates here. I just wanted to add my own thoughts but I hope more will come out following their sentencing. I think AW absolutely knew HS was abusing her daughter - how couldn’t she. She did the searches, didn’t like him bathing her daughter, locked him out of the bathroom while she was dressing her but worst of all left Isabelle alone with him. Surely she should and could have done more to protect her daughter. I think the hesitation in taking Isabelle to hospital with the leg fracture was because she knew full well what would happen and what would be said. When it did, she became aggressive and threatening to the staff, along with her mother. That was her way of trying to get them to back down. It is absolutely appalling the HV signed off on this. I hope they are dealt with appropriately as they are clearly not fit for purpose in that role. As for AW’s mother, there has been many comments over her lack of intervening to save Isabelle. I think she was perhaps fearful of AW and her clear violent and controlling ways. She didn’t meet HS, yet was happy enough for him to live with her granddaughter after barely knowing her daughter. She is just as guilty. I suspect as other comments, AW said things about Isabelle’s dad that weren’t true which led to the NMO. Not saying they weren’t entirely incorrect but more likely severely exaggerated. What’s not to say AW threatened her mother, that if she tried to say anything about HS that she would suffer the same fate? That she wouldn’t get to see Isabelle. AW’s mother and step father seemed to see them a lot during the week. They took food over the day before Isabelle’s death. That indicates they did care, they did make effort but perhaps it was toeing the line so to speak.

HS didn’t give evidence. I would say that yes this does lead us all to think he’s guilty, he’s accepting of that and perhaps the evidence is so strong he knew it was a waste of breath to argue or perhaps he doesn’t have the brain cells to stand up in court and talk. There doesn’t seem to be any coverage of his side of things. Surely he’s been found guilty from the evidence provided in court rather than they’ve just presumed he is because he lived there. It’ll be interesting to see what they have on him.

My only thoughts as to why AW has not really been direct or clear in what happened, more a “he was the only person who could have hurt Isabelle” comments is that she was clearly more invested in her relationship with him than protecting her own daughter. They were dealing drugs. Surely this meant that AW had more money than she’d had previously. There was mention of her having her hair done and leaving Isabelle with HS for a long time. Maybe this hadn’t been something before that was possible. I wonder if the lure of the additional money was attractive to her. Hence happy to keep HS around, even if it meant putting her daughter at risk.

My overriding thought however, is along the lines of what sadly other posters have said are their experiences here. HS had an inappropriate interest in her daughter. AW then saw Isabelle as a rival for his love and attention. She mentioned they had a strange sex life, but very regular. That he wanted her to do things she wasn’t comfortable with. I dread to imagine what she means by this. I think that speaks volumes in terms of the evidence we’ve read so far and is most likely in my opinion the reason this all happened.

That poor little girl. Some people are just not worthy of children.
 
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Tofino

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How have the grandparents not been charged with allowing the death of a child ? It was so 'upsetting' they didn't get her medical help.
You can only be charged with that if you live in the same household. There aren’t really any criminal charges for people outside the home for not reporting safeguarding concerns. I feel like there should but apparently it’s complex.
 
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Today’s updates - just to warn, quite graphic in parts. Read from bottom up.

3:05pm30/06/26
Hearing ends for the day
The jury has been sent home for the day and the trial will not be sitting again until Friday due to judge and barrister commitments.

2:52pm30/06/26
Police interaction - WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT
The jurors have watched body-worn camera footage of Temporary Detective Constable Anna Liddell who attended the University Hospital of North Tees.
Mr Wright KC read out the officer's statement before the footage was played.
She says she was met by a consultant who told her that Isabelle was likely to die and was suffering injuries that were the result of trauma because she was covered in bruises.
The officer recorded that there was blood in Isabelle's nappy and in her urine - the nappy was seized and a hair was recovered from it as stored separately.
She wrote: "The doctor told me to come closer and she showed me Isabelle's body.
"I could see a large bruise on her forehead, many bruises all over her abdomen. She also pointed out bruising and swelling around her genital area.
"I noted a large bruise under her vaginal area and the doctor also pointed out bruising to her inner vaginal area."
She says she passed on this information to her supervisor before Walker and her family arrived at the hospital.
The jury hears how it was shown that Isabelle had a bleed on the brain and it was decided to transfer the two-year-old to the RVI in Newcastle.

12:35pm30/06/26
Critical care at Newcastle
Dr John Glazebrook, a consultant in Paediatric and Adult Intensive care and Anaesthesia, at Newcastle Royal Victoria Infirmary.
He says his initially assessment showed that Isabelle was unresponsive to a bright light being shone into her eyes which is a sign of extremely serious brain injury.
A CT scan of Isabelle's head was carried out which showed there was no blood flow to her brain - she had suffered an unrecoverable brain injury.
The doctor told Walker and her mother, Claire, that Isabelle was going to die and she passed away shortly after her breathing tube was removed.

12:31pm30/06/26
Hospital nurse
Mr Wright is asking her if Walker told her about her daughter's illness.
She says: "She told me she thought her boyfriend could be hurting her because of the bruises on her."
Miss Forster says Walker told her that Simpson had seen Isabelle on the morning but she offered no explanation of how she became so ill.
Nicholas Lumley KC, representing Simpson, is now cross examining the nurse.
The barrister asks her whether Walker had said anything about what happened to cause her to be in that state.
She says: "She just found her that way."
Miss Forster says Walker told her that she didn't believe Simpson could have caused the injuries.
Mark McKone KC, representing Walker, is asking the nurse questions on behalf of his client.
The nurse confirms that Walker told her that 'she was starting to think her partner' had caused the bruising to Isabelle.
12:25pm30/06/26
Hearing resumes
The hearing resumes with the next witness, Emma Forster, after a short break in proceedings.
Miss Forster is a registered nurse working in the A&E department at the University Hospital of North Tees.
She tells the court that she didn't work on Isabelle but was tasked with supporting Alexandra Walker.
Mr Wright KC asks her about her interactions with the defendant.
She says: "She told she was in hospital a week earlier with a hairline fracture."
The jury hears how Walker told the nurse that Isabelle had vomited on the day she was admitted to hospital.
Walker told her that she had put her to bed and was checking on her every ten minutes.
Miss Forster says Walker told her that 'her eyes had rolled back and looked dead' and her dad told her to call 999 and start CPR.
11:46am30/06/26
Cross examination
Nicholas Lumley KC, representing Simpson, is now cross examining the paramedic.
He asks Mrs Hunter whether she thought Walker's reaction was unusual and she agrees with the barrister.
Mark McKone KC, representing Walker, is asking the paramedic about the snigger and giggle while she was trying to find out what had happened.
When asked whether people react differently to traumatic incidents, the paramedic agreed with him.
11:40am30/06/26
Paramedic leader
The next witness to give evidence is Rebecca Hunter who is a clinical team leader paramedic for the North East Ambulance Service.
Mrs Hunter says her role on the day was to oversee the treatment of Isabelle by her colleagues.
She says she noticed the toddler had dry vomit on her face and clothing.
Mr Wright KC, prosecuting, asks the paramedic what else she noticed.
"She had extensive bruising that went down from her head to her legs," she says.
The jury hears how she spoke to Walker at the rear of her house and asked for Isabelle's details after telling her that her daughter was 'critically unwell'.
Mrs Hunter says she asked who the male was sitting in the garden and Alexandra said 'dad' and he pointed out that he was her 'dad' and not Isabelle's - which resulted in a little giggle from Alexandra.
She says she also recalled a snigger when she asked her about her surname - she says 'I recollect thinking that wasn't the reaction I was expecting but thought I didn't have time to look into that at the time'.
She says Walker told her that Isabelle had been eating and drinking as her normal in the days leading up to the illness but was a little 'agitated' at times.
"She says she (Isabelle) vomited that morning, put her down for a nap and gone back later to find her unresponsive and floppy and her eyes had rolled into the back of her head," she says.
11:28am30/06/26
Second paramedic team
Leonie Jordain, who works for the North East Ambulance Service, says she was asked to speak to Alexandra Walker to try and find out how Isabelle was presenting in the week prior to the ambulance being called.
She says she found the mother in the kitchen with a police officer and another male was sitting in the garden.
Walker told her that the toddler had suffered a fractured leg and had been in hospital for treatment.
Walker told her that Isabelle had been sick since coming out of hospital but had not been taken back for treatment.
She tells that jury that there was no mention of anyone else being involved in getting Isabelle up and about on the day she fell gravely ill.
Nicholas Lumley KC, representing Simpson, is now cross examining the paramedic.
The barrister checks the contents of her written statement and she confirms that Walker told her she had gotten her daughter up and she seemed lethargic.
11:16am30/06/26
Written evidence
The statement of Nicole Weir, who works for the North East Ambulance Service, is now being read to the jury by Mr Wright.
She says she was the driving of the ambulance and was less experienced than her colleague Sam Jones who took control of the medical treatment.
"I immediately noticed she was cold," she says.
She says the female and male both moved into the kitchen and felt their behaviour was strange - 'they never opened the door at any time to see whether we had brought the baby back to life'.
Ms Weir says the second paramedic team arrived at the scene and started sucking vomit from the baby's mouth the clear her airway before drilling into her leg bone to administer emergency drugs.
She says they managed to get her heart beating again but there was still no breathing or eye response.
11:06am30/06/26
Hospital travel
The jury hears how Isabelle's pulse became weak again as they transferred her to hospital.
She says CPR was given to the toddler until they arrived at the University Hospital of North Tees.
Ms Jones says she overheard someone in the hospital medical team say that they had spotted blood in Isabelle's nappy.
Nicholas Lumley KC, representing Simpson, is now cross examining the paramedic.
She agrees with him that it was clear that Isabelle was not breathing when she arrived at the scene and 'there was nothing going on at all'.
"She was freezing cold," she says. Mr Lumley asks if she could have been like that for some time and she agrees.
"It appears to you that she had been in this lifeless state for some time," he asks. "Yes," she replies.
The paramedic says it was clear to the eye that Isabelle had bruises to her body.
Mark McKone KC, representing Walker, is now asking the witness questions.
"How you are able to say how long Isabelle had not been breathing for before you get there," he asks.
She replies: "No, I'm not able to say."
11:00am30/06/26
Extra support
The jury hears another paramedic crew arrived at the scene and they started to apply suction to her airway and pads taking a reading from her heart.
She say 'there was a flatline - there was no electrical activity at that time'.
The paramedic says they placed a needle into Isabelle's bone in order to give immediate medical treatment to get her heart going again.
The jury hears how a senior paramedic arrived at the scene as back up to the serious incident.
"They don't get hands on, they are their to oversee and ensure things are done," she says.
Ms Jones says they were able to get Isabelle's heart beating again and eventually her pulse returned but she was still not breathing on her own.
When asked what then became the priority, she says we have to get her to hospital as quickly as possible.
Mr Wright asks the paramedic what happened in the rear of the ambulance. She says there was a discussion over whether it was medical emergency or traumatic event.
"Due to the bruising we went down the traumatic route," she says.
10:53am30/06/26
Emergency treatment
She says there was no blood moving around Isabelle's body - she was cold to the touch with vomit on her face, clothing and floor next to her.
"I have moved her head and she had a bruise in the middle of her forehead," she says.
The paramedic says she tried to clear Isabelle's airway and gave her oxygen through a tube.
The jury hears how she saw a man and a woman in the house but her focus was on the seriously ill child.
Ms Jones says her colleague asked Alexandra Walker about Isabelle's previous medical history and she was told about the break to her leg.
Dealing with other injuries, she says her colleague started CPR and noticed bruises and brought it to my attention.
"She had bruises across her abdomen and her pelvic area," she says. "I was continuing with breaths and my colleague was continuing with CPR."
10:47am30/06/26
Paramedic evidence
Today's evidence starts with paramedic Samantha Jones recounting the details of what happened when she arrived at Isabelle Welsh's Thornaby home on September 13 last year.
The court hears that the ambulance was able to get to the house in a minute after receiving the call that a two-year-old was in cardiac arrest.
Richard Wright KC, prosecuting, is taking the paramedic through her evidence.
Ms Jones says she found Isabelle laid on the floor at the bottom of the stairs.
When asked whether she thought the toddler was breathing - "By the way she looked I could tell she wasn't breathing," she says.
The paramedic checked whether she was breathing and for a pulse and found nothing while there was no reaction from her pupils when she shined a light in her eyes.
"That shows there is some sign of brain damage," she says.
She says 'she was very cold to touch and pale in colour'.
10:34am30/06/26
Evidence recap
Good morning, you can read a recap of yesterday's evidence here - Isabelle Welsh's mum Googled why toddler was bleeding before 999 call
This morning's evidence should be getting underway shortly.
Thank you for posting these. It makes very grim reading.
 
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Apparently she checked the sex offenders register for him a couple of times... How about you keep him away from your baby
How do people who end up with PDFs, not have that spidey sense around wrong uns? There’s a case I’ve seen today, where a male nursery worker was reported by a colleague and she was told she’s ’seeing something that’s not there’…. Turns out she was right and he’d been raping children. I had my first incident the other day where a young girl, about 16, told me a man was watching my kids running around and cartwheeling- I didn’t just ignore that feeling she had. Not victim blaming or anything here, but how do you not notice or want to notice that it’s wrong?!😤 Where’s the protectiveness that you should have around children- your own children!!?
 
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Valentine1402

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I was at a camp site last week and there was a cockroach on its back in the shower room. I couldn't bear to see it struggle - it's legs were flailing frantically - so I got a brush and flipped it over. This was a cockroach - they have watched an actual human CHILD suffer, and not only that but inflict even more suffering on her, her grandparents turned a blind eye! Lock them all up, they are all culpable and the 'mother', and the monster she allowed into her home, should never be released!
 
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I don't think the step-dad was in the kitchen laughing with AW. He was in the garden silent. She giggled when a paramedic asked who he was, and she said dad - not Isabelle's dad. This is what I think I read in the updates. He also cried when relaying what happened in the house in his police interview.

Where was Isabelle's actual dad during this time?
As a pp said I think there were accusations of DV with Isabelle’s dad, and possibly AW kept Isabelle away from him, but how much he tried we’ll probably never know. I took a look at his fb and since the poor child’s death he’s posted constantly about his daughter, although I may be being cynical, it comes across as a bit attention grabbing as there doesnt seem to be any postings about Isabelle previous to her death.
The whole family on both sides totally failed her as far as I’m concerned.
 
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Esme

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100% I don’t think she had a very nice life even before he came along despite the stupid grandmother claiming she was well looked after
I’ve thought about her comment a lot. She said “Isabelle was always immaculately dressed”. I actually think she couldn’t say anything other than that, she was clutching at straws. She knew full well Isabelle wasn’t cared for. That little girl deserved to be adored and treasured. It doesn’t feel like anyone actually really cared about her.
 
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kabukigirl

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Yes, like everyone else I am absolutely shocked at the extent of her injuries - over 100! 9 x 9cm scratches on her chest wtf - what the fuck did they do to her that night 😢

Totally seeing the grand parents in a new light, I thought perhaps the abuse was hidden enough from them, that they didn’t known though were suspicious - but I now I think they were both fully aware Isabelle was having the shit beaten out of her & they didn’t give a shit. Having a child taken by “the social” is obviously so terrible in their world, that they preferred a small child to be abused (condoned it even and definitely enabled it) rather than help her escape it.
 
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upyernelly

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I’m only on page 17, so apologies if this is a repeat post.
Parents who have SS involvement have started having cameras in their own home. It’s used by many to disprove accusations of abuse, it also has the added benefit of intimidating social workers etc when they visit their homes.
little Arthur’s family had them , she used to abuse him off camera as much as possible. However she obviously slipped up at times and that’s why we’ve seen the heartbreaking footage of him saying no one is going to feed me today and no one loves me. As his family ate McDonalds outside as a treat and he was starved indoors.
 
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Tanley

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That poor little girl, I feel ill reading what happened to her. She must have been in agony from all the injuries these disgusting POS inflicted on her :cry:
 
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LittleMy

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So it’s sounds like the scuzzy boyfriend SA’d Isabelle whilst she was grievously injured in bed from the “Thud” at 7pm the night before? She wasn’t seen / heard on CCTV at all the morning before she was found unresponsive in bed about 3pm after the boyfriend left the house & AW bothered to check up on her?

Can’t believe the Grandmother just ignoring seeing Isabelle rapidly deteriorating, though she “didnt like seeing it” - but did fuck all to help her. My brain can’t comprehend these people 😟
The whole thing is just so fucking grim isn’t it? My heart physically hurts when I think about what little Isabelle went through and not one person did anything to help her. 😣
 
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zogsmum

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Not sure why he’s shaking his head… and the mother sat there staring? I’d be sobbing if all those injuries were being read out about my baby. Disgusting excuse of a mother:
 
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Tanley

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I agree.
Walker's mother and stepfather hadn't met the boyfriend and didn't know how much time he spent there. As far as they were concerned she lived alone with a small child. They helped her out with groceries and nappies etc - something most grandparents would do. However, they also bought her 10 cans of Stella - and even carried it into the house. Wouldn't you be asking questions about drinking around your granddaughter? Wouldn't you be concerned about boyfriends who didn't want to meet you?
It seems they did offer for her to go back and live with them but she refused.
As for Walker studying for a degree in forensics, it does not compute!
Yes, they thought she was on her own with a two year old, but bought her 10 cans of Stella :mad:
Also, the Nan said wtte that Isabelle looked like an abused child, she knew something wasn’t right but did nothing about it :(
More people need to act on behalf of defenceless babies and youngsters, instead of crossing their fingers and turning the other way.
 
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