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2.5 million of tax payers money to do up frogmore cottage!!! Absolutely disgusting
 
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2.5 million of tax payers money to do up frogmore cottage!!! Absolutely disgusting
I know. Makes me so cross. And that apparently is a very low estimate just for basic structural work - not including decorating the place. Or no doubt landscaping the garden. Why can't Harry bloody pay for it himself? I don't ask him to pay my rent. And aren't they planning to spend a good deal of their time abroad supposedly in South Africa? They want to avoid the pesky plebs but are quite happy to take their money.
 
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I know. Makes me so cross. And that apparently is a very low estimate just for basic structural work - not including decorating the place. Or no doubt landscaping the garden. Why can't Harry bloody pay for it himself? I don't ask him to pay my rent. And aren't they planning to spend a good deal of their time abroad supposedly in South Africa? They want to avoid the pesky plebs but are quite happy to take their money.
Exactly!! Meanwhile our police force is being cut left right and centre, not to mention the nhs. It's just not on is it as you say they have enough bloody money to pay it themselves. I'd rather not have know they used tax payers money tbh as that money could have been better used elsewhere for some good to make a difference!!
 
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I know. Makes me so cross. And that apparently is a very low estimate just for basic structural work - not including decorating the place. Or no doubt landscaping the garden. Why can't Harry bloody pay for it himself? I don't ask him to pay my rent. And aren't they planning to spend a good deal of their time abroad supposedly in South Africa? They want to avoid the pesky plebs but are quite happy to take their money.
Not meaning to cause a row but why does it make you cross?
The royal family bring far more money into the country and economy than you pay in tax, via tourism alone. We can hardly stick them into a council house can we. I honestly wouldn’t get so worked up about it.

The cost of keeping the Royal family costs each uk citizen around £1 per person, per year. (Off the top of my head)

Millions of tourists from abroad travel to see Buckingham palace, Tower of London, etc etc and whilst doing so spend money on memorabilia as well as probably restaurants, drinks, other tourist attractions, transport etc etc etc putting millions into our economy.

I know. Makes me so cross. And that apparently is a very low estimate just for basic structural work - not including decorating the place. Or no doubt landscaping the garden. Why can't Harry bloody pay for it himself? I don't ask him to pay my rent. And aren't they planning to spend a good deal of their time abroad supposedly in South Africa? They want to avoid the pesky plebs but are quite happy to take their money.
You don’t ask him to pay your rent. True. but you don’t also bring in millions of tourists to the UK each year to watch your wedding and spend money in the UK whilst doing so.


As for nhs etc yes your right, we should start billing people that injure themselves when drunk etc and that might put a massive stop to people behaving foolishly and also put some money back into the nhs.
 
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Not meaning to cause a row but why does it make you cross?
The royal family bring far more money into the country and economy than you pay in tax, via tourism alone. We can hardly stick them into a council house can we. I honestly wouldn’t get so worked up about it.

The cost of keeping the Royal family costs each uk citizen around £1 per person, per year. (Off the top of my head)

Millions of tourists from abroad travel to see Buckingham palace, Tower of London, etc etc and whilst doing so spend money on memorabilia as well as probably restaurants, drinks, other tourist attractions, transport etc etc etc putting millions into our economy.


You don’t ask him to pay your rent. True. but you don’t also bring in millions of tourists to the UK each year to watch your wedding and spend money in the UK whilst doing so.


As for nhs etc yes your right, we should start billing people that injure themselves when drunk etc and that might put a massive stop to people behaving foolishly and also put some money back into the nhs.
Yes while I agree with fact they do bring in a lot of money for the country and do a lot for charity but if I had a choice where the tax payers money went it certainly would not be to renovate a house for a wealthy Prince. That's just my opinion.
 
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Not meaning to cause a row but why does it make you cross?
The royal family bring far more money into the country and economy than you pay in tax, via tourism alone. We can hardly stick them into a council house can we. I honestly wouldn’t get so worked up about it.

The cost of keeping the Royal family costs each uk citizen around £1 per person, per year. (Off the top of my head)

Millions of tourists from abroad travel to see Buckingham palace, Tower of London, etc etc and whilst doing so spend money on memorabilia as well as probably restaurants, drinks, other tourist attractions, transport etc etc etc putting millions into our economy.


You don’t ask him to pay your rent. True. but you don’t also bring in millions of tourists to the UK each year to watch your wedding and spend money in the UK whilst doing so.


As for nhs etc yes your right, we should start billing people that injure themselves when drunk etc and that might put a massive stop to people behaving foolishly and also put some money back into the nhs.
I couldn't care less where they live but can you please explain why they can't pay for the house themselves? Harry has over £25m. Can you not see that taxes could be put to far better use? I don't think them paying their own way would dent the amount of tourists coming over. I just don't see why generating money means you should get stuff for free paid by ordinary citizens. If that were the case we should pay for Manchester United players homes (for eg) as MU brings in such a vast amount of money to the country.
 
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I'm not against some of the British taxpayers' taxes going to the Royal Family because I believe it establishes a mutual exchange being the citizens/subjects of a democracy and the constitutional monarchy, because if the Royal Family just used their own cash, it makes them an entity in their own right. However, it does seem unfair because their own private millions could easily fund their lifestyle. For a variety of reasons, they're discouraged from living a flash lifestyle so they don't have the same expenditure that other millionaires have.

Also, the tourism argument isn't necessarily met up with the data, because the most visited tourism parts of the UK aren't the royal attractions.
 
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I couldn't care less where they live but can you please explain why they can't pay for the house themselves? Harry has over £25m. Can you not see that taxes could be put to far better use? I don't think them paying their own way would dent the amount of tourists coming over. I just don't see why generating money means you should get stuff for free paid by ordinary citizens. If that were the case we should pay for Manchester United players homes (for eg) as MU brings in such a vast amount of money to the country.
Does trump pay for the upkeep of the White House??

Let them pay for their own houses etc and close every single one of them off from the public, not allow the public anywhere near royal occasions like weddings etc, not allow any souvenir tack to be sold with their faces on etc... I bet the economy would lose more money that way.

As I said I wasn’t here to row and ‘tax payers money could be spent on the nhs’ etc I don’t disagree with. We should be targeting the super rich who avoid taxes via expensive schemes and companies such as Starbucks imo.
 
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I know. Makes me so cross. And that apparently is a very low estimate just for basic structural work - not including decorating the place. Or no doubt landscaping the garden. Why can't Harry bloody pay for it himself? I don't ask him to pay my rent. And aren't they planning to spend a good deal of their time abroad supposedly in South Africa? They want to avoid the pesky plebs but are quite happy to take their money.
“Substantially all fixtures and fittings were paid for by Their Royal Highnesses.” https://www.itv.com/news/2019-06-25...-renovation-paid-for-with-2-4m-from-taxpayer/

I couldn't care less where they live but can you please explain why they can't pay for the house themselves? Harry has over £25m. Can you not see that taxes could be put to far better use? I don't think them paying their own way would dent the amount of tourists coming over. I just don't see why generating money means you should get stuff for free paid by ordinary citizens. If that were the case we should pay for Manchester United players homes (for eg) as MU brings in such a vast amount of money to the country.
It's not really an explanation, but Frogmore, Buck Pal, Kensington Palace are all owned by "the Crown" - so Harry/Meg, the Queen, Will/Kate don't really own the residences they live in. That's why it's the taxes that go towards it.

The Queen does privately own Sandringham (where they do Christmas), which is why Will and Kate's Sandringham home (Anmer Hall) was paid for privately when they did those renovations.

There's always debate over whether the tax payer really is paying for anything. The money given to the royal family to do these works (and their official duties) come from the Sovereign Grant given to them by the govt. The reason they have the grant is because all the money from the Crown Estate (a load of properties) is given to the government, and then they hand 15% of that back to the RF to do all their duties.

It's debated whether the Crown Estate really belongs to the monarchy or not. I'm not v good at explaining but if you're interested, this is fairly clear.

 
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£2.5 million goes nowhere in the grand scheme of things. The reason that budgets for schools, hospitals, police etc. are being cut is not because the Royals get the annual soverign grant. The soverign grant isn’t even the so called £350m a week that can go to the NHS after Brexit. It’s a drop in the ocean for government spending, and abolishing the grant will change nothing in the grand scheme of government spending and public services. Those budgets cuts are because of the Tory austerity ideology of trying to kill off the poor people of Britain and only look after their rich friends. You want better funding for NHS, schools, police etc. Don’t vote for the Tories.
 
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My opinion is considering they are using the tax payers money then the tax payers should really have a little say at least in where it is spent!!
 
Does trump pay for the upkeep of the White House??

Let them pay for their own houses etc and close every single one of them off from the public, not allow the public anywhere near royal occasions like weddings etc, not allow any souvenir tack to be sold with their faces on etc... I bet the economy would lose more money that way.

As I said I wasn’t here to row and ‘tax payers money could be spent on the nhs’ etc I don’t disagree with. We should be targeting the super rich who avoid taxes via expensive schemes and companies such as Starbucks imo.
No idea if Trump pays for upkeep on the WH - probably not - but I'm fairly sure the American public don't pay for the upkeep of his private residences and those of his family.
But I'm not here to row either. Just enjoy a good healthy debate so thank you!
 
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I know this a different era and a different nation but I know Grace Kelly retained her US citizenship and links with USA after marrying into Monaco's royal family so I wonder if it wouldn't cause tax issues etc. if Meghan Markle retained her US citizenship?
 
I know this a different era and a different nation but I know Grace Kelly retained her US citizenship and links with USA after marrying into Monaco's royal family so I wonder if it wouldn't cause tax issues etc. if Meghan Markle retained her US citizenship?
US citizens living out of the country are supposed to pay tax, so with all the marching she does, the IRS would have a field day. US citizens have to fill out a tax return every year, unlike the UK.
 
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What grates me is this is a private residence, the grounds aren’t going to host anything other than their pals, unlike Kensington pal and bucks pal which hosts a huge range of foreign dignitaries etc, so this private family home should be privately funded.
 
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"What grates me is this is a private residence, the grounds aren’t going to host anything other than their pals, unlike Kensington pal and bucks pal which hosts a huge range of foreign dignitaries etc, so this private family home should be privately funded."


Thats my issue with this exactly. Fair enough tax payers money goes to fund the royal family's properties....IF the tax payer can get any sort of enjoyment out of them. What can we gain from this? Having structural work done is one thing, having it completely refurbished is another altogether.
 
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I was sure they made a big song and dance about it in regards to paying for the reno with personal wealth, when the move was first announced....I guess that all went out the window?
 
Ooh so widely reported 2 nannies have already quit and they are now on the third. Archie is only 6 weeks old. If true it is bizarre as you would think that job is so prestigious you would cling on to it unless conditions were really appalling.
 
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Ooh so widely reported 2 nannies have already quit and they are now on the third. Archie is only 6 weeks old. If true it is bizarre as you would think that job is so prestigious you would cling on to it unless conditions were really appalling.
Bloody hell! I've seriously lost count on how many people have resigned since May last year! 5, 6?! It really makes you wonder what goes behind closed doors, but like you said, it really must be unbearable!
 
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Bloody hell! I've seriously lost count on how many people have resigned since May last year! 5, 6?! It really makes you wonder what goes behind closed doors, but like you said, it really must be unbearable!
Sounds like the White House 😂😂😂
It must be really bad in there for nannies to quit a job that opens that kind of door!
 
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