fallenwinchester5
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I just watched her birth video, someone else mentioned it but I can’t believe that Dan carried on playing a game with his friends while his wife was in labour 
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PineappleTopper
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I imagine it must be really hard to know your body can get pregnant and carry a baby to term.. it has done so for you before.. but it won’t do it again and theres no reason why. I imagine that would feel so upsetting and frustrating. Whilst other people’s pregnancy announcements are lovely, there would always be a small voice that said, why not me? Also, there would be a sadness inside if you had an idea of what you hoped for and then your body had other ideas (like a small age gap for example).
fleur de force struggled for 5 years to conceive her second and had multiple miscarriages.
maybe it’s okay to have these feelings and by voicing them she is giving space to others and acknowledging that sometimes getting pregnant, staying pregnant, carrying a baby to term, hearing other people’s announcements out of the blue- all of this can be emotionally challenging.
maybe, just maybe, she’s not being a twat here?
fleur de force struggled for 5 years to conceive her second and had multiple miscarriages.
maybe it’s okay to have these feelings and by voicing them she is giving space to others and acknowledging that sometimes getting pregnant, staying pregnant, carrying a baby to term, hearing other people’s announcements out of the blue- all of this can be emotionally challenging.
maybe, just maybe, she’s not being a twat here?
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Millennial Pink
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I think she's doing the right thing for all the right reasons. I haven't watched her sex and relationship stuff for a really long time- I don't really want to watch this sort of thing from a creator who generally has no lived experience of what she's talking about and no formal qualifications in the field. I do think that she has lots to say on other topics that people will really enjoy. I think it says it all (and Hannah realises this too) that she just hasn't wanted to do any further study in the field of sex and relationships- the interest went a long time ago.
The financial burden of a lot of what she's doing makes no sense and it follows that she would want to simplify her work, especially when she has a small child. I really appreciate her being open and straightforward about the content changes- so many people just disappear into the ether.
The financial burden of a lot of what she's doing makes no sense and it follows that she would want to simplify her work, especially when she has a small child. I really appreciate her being open and straightforward about the content changes- so many people just disappear into the ether.
Coffeeismysoul
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Ok, so I don't really like Hannah, but reading that her husband was playing an effing board game and waited to finish it off whilst she went into labour infuriates me for her.
I would dump a man who did that to me for our FIRST child, and I'm not being funny, but Hannah isn't exactly an able-bodied pregnant woman - she has a stoma bag and missing part of her digestive system. Whilst it's not a debilitating condition, she's not exactly on the same level as someone with a full digestive system. Being pregnant takes a hell of a toll on the body, and labour is incredibly stressful on the body. Additionally, for all I know, Hannah may have trauma regarding hospitals after her experience going through all of that - to leave her alone at a frightening time for any woman is just peak jack-ass.
Whilst I'm sure it's very safe, as a concerned partner with more of an anxious mindset, I'd be nervous about something happening, and that four-day labour says it all.
As a husband, you're supposed to be there to support your partner first and foremost, not when it's most convenient for you.
I would dump a man who did that to me for our FIRST child, and I'm not being funny, but Hannah isn't exactly an able-bodied pregnant woman - she has a stoma bag and missing part of her digestive system. Whilst it's not a debilitating condition, she's not exactly on the same level as someone with a full digestive system. Being pregnant takes a hell of a toll on the body, and labour is incredibly stressful on the body. Additionally, for all I know, Hannah may have trauma regarding hospitals after her experience going through all of that - to leave her alone at a frightening time for any woman is just peak jack-ass.
Whilst I'm sure it's very safe, as a concerned partner with more of an anxious mindset, I'd be nervous about something happening, and that four-day labour says it all.
As a husband, you're supposed to be there to support your partner first and foremost, not when it's most convenient for you.
Tom_Nook
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One thing that both Mel and Hannah do is use phrases like 'whip out a tit' which I find such an odd way to talk about your own body!? I can't explain why but it just gives me the ick. I'd probably say 'when I need to breastfeed' or something. It's something I'd expect a teenager trying to be edgy to say......
mcgee
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I don’t find him attractive but if I had to choose I’d say he looks better with the beard.He looked minging before and looks minging after... She really looked like she was crying in that reel and passing it off as laughing.
I'm now noticing this was posted 3 days ago and I'm just late seeing it
I mean, Hannah does the bare minimum of what a YouTuber SHOULD do for a living. Making two videos a week is hardly excessive amounts of work - she just shows how lazy most of them are. She knows her job is cushy and she does what she needs to do to make it happen - respect for it
BoreDeForce
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What tends to irk me about women who say they want to normalise breastfeeding is that they don't often bring anything to the table on the topic, it's just endless photos of "look at me eating a burger and breastfeeding, aren't I amazing". Information about support that's helped, tips to increase supply, massage, the general faff that comes with baby feeding and what people can do to assist mothers would be infinitely more helpful. For example "guys, did you know that breastfeeding burns about 70 calories per 100ml of milk? It's worth offering a nursing mother a snack because she probably needs it!" because that's shit I didn't know but would have helpful in supporting my breastfeeding friends.
It's like when people think they're challenging beauty standards by pretending they have tummy rolls
It's like when people think they're challenging beauty standards by pretending they have tummy rolls
Itsjustwhatithink!
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If she's just come on her period, then I see no harm.
I generally like Hannah and her content, but my main issue is that she's just unqualified to be giving sex education advice on a public platform. I appreciate that she's trying to rectify that by taking a sex education certificate course online, but she's been calling herself a sex educator for years, it's basically her brand. It would have been different if she had majored in something related, like medicine or psychology, or at least followed her history degree with an MA in a related field, but she has literally no qualifications.
All the info she relays in her videos are basic things that anyone could find by reading the book she lifted the information from, or just googling. She puts quite a bit of effort in her sex education videos, but all in all, the content is very basic and has no depth, it's just her regurgitating stats and tidbits from other sources. Plus, her demographic is women in their mid-20s, most of whom are sexually experienced and already know of most of the issues she discusses.
I enjoy her podcast and her second channel more than the main one, but I'm curious to see how she'll incorporate what she's learning on her course in her content. Until then I'm watching her for entertainment, definitely not sexual health advice.
On a more petty note, I just can't with how much of a big deal she made about her "single years." She wasn't even properly single, she had a couple of years of casual dating and flings and then met her husband at 25 and got married before 30, hardly Carrie Bradshaw I said it once on Melanie Murphy's thread and I'll say it again, but having a lot of mediocre sex in your early 20s doesn't make you a sex educator.
All the info she relays in her videos are basic things that anyone could find by reading the book she lifted the information from, or just googling. She puts quite a bit of effort in her sex education videos, but all in all, the content is very basic and has no depth, it's just her regurgitating stats and tidbits from other sources. Plus, her demographic is women in their mid-20s, most of whom are sexually experienced and already know of most of the issues she discusses.
I enjoy her podcast and her second channel more than the main one, but I'm curious to see how she'll incorporate what she's learning on her course in her content. Until then I'm watching her for entertainment, definitely not sexual health advice.
On a more petty note, I just can't with how much of a big deal she made about her "single years." She wasn't even properly single, she had a couple of years of casual dating and flings and then met her husband at 25 and got married before 30, hardly Carrie Bradshaw
I said it once on Melanie Murphy's thread and I'll say it again, but having a lot of mediocre sex in your early 20s doesn't make you a sex educator.
Kiki13
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This is super nitpicky, if she were buying everything new people would be like "so wasteful, babies grow out of things, they piss and shit in them, why not get second hand" and then she gets second hand and you're like "shes stealing precious second hand resources from more needy people."
Also, I suspect she probably is doing it for sustainability reasons too, she buys, and has for a while, quite a lot second hand for herself so makes sense she would extend that.
Also, I suspect she probably is doing it for sustainability reasons too, she buys, and has for a while, quite a lot second hand for herself so makes sense she would extend that.
Fillyjonk
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The thing about the breastfeeding is that it absolutely consumes you. It becomes your entire life and your entire world, and at times it becomes the only thing you do. It's boring, repetitve, exhausting process but there are obvious results which are pretty amazing. This generally leads to expecting everybody to care about it the way you do. But really, nobody does. Really, not even breastfeeding mums give a shit about anything but their own journey. Nobody needs to see the pump or a full grid of brelfies.
I don't know how I feel about trigger warnings on breastfeeding content, though. That feels more like "I need to address my distress at not being able to breastfeed" than "I need somebody to feel like feeding their baby is distressing".
I don't know how I feel about trigger warnings on breastfeeding content, though. That feels more like "I need to address my distress at not being able to breastfeed" than "I need somebody to feel like feeding their baby is distressing".
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Coffeeismysoul
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I mean, I have empathy for Hannah, but she doesn't realise how good she's got it.
My mum was a single mother who was self-employed as a cleaner. My mum didn't have a dad to help out financially or physically, any additional income to hire people to do work for her or a childminder.
Middle-class people with well above-average salaries complaining that raising children is hard just makes me roll my eyes.
My mum was a single mother who was self-employed as a cleaner. My mum didn't have a dad to help out financially or physically, any additional income to hire people to do work for her or a childminder.
Middle-class people with well above-average salaries complaining that raising children is hard just makes me roll my eyes.
It’s a bit of a side point but while I’m not contemptuous of trigger warnings as a concept because I think they were, originally, very kindly meant, I sincerely believe they’re crippling women. They’re a road to self-flagellating levels of aimless, counterproductive empathy, in particular because it’s definitionally incredibly subjective where is reasonable to draw a line between “needs a trigger warning” and “doesn’t need a trigger warning”, and it’s basically inevitable that the people whose voices are loudest during those conversations are the ones with the most extreme views in that regard. People very enmeshed in their own trauma are often — very understandably! — extremely myopic, and I think as a society we’ve got a bit tangled up in this idea that experience of something necessarily means that someone is ideally equipped to determine which system works best for everyone.
The only way, IMO, to get close to a subjective standard (and even here there’s some room for argument) is to go for a system where things that would be considered distressing for most people – either generally or, if in a specific group, then in the particular context of that specific group — get a trigger warning, but other stuff doesn’t. Breastfeeding is not an inherently distressing subject. It’s not RARE to have trauma or sensitivities around it, but it’s also not rare to have trauma or sensitivities around pregnancy, and pregnancy is how literally all of us got here. It’s obscene to impose the need to self-censor on people talking about pregnancy, and also just pragmatically ridiculous.
Someone I know wrote very movingly a while ago on this whole subject, after having suffered several miscarriages in a row (one quite far into the pregnancy) in a desperate bid to have her first baby. She said that at the peak of her misery and anxiety, she would step out of her door onto the busy street, or go for a coffee and look at the waiting queue, or turn on the news and see coverage of various world leaders shaking hands with each other, and every person she looked at, she would get a pit in her stomach and miserably think “you were the result of a successful pregnancy”. She said it was this that made her realise that it could only ever be her responsibility to deal with her trauma, and other people ultimately owed her nothing more than tact, because what can anyone do to accommodate trauma associated with simply seeing other human beings and knowing that they were once successfully brought to term - burn down the entire world?
Breastfeeding falls into a similar category really. There are basically two possible outcomes of forcing constantly cautious discussion of it - either you tabooise it, in which case no mother is really free (and make no mistake - men are not forcing this shit on each other), or, far more likely, it doesn’t really take off as a custom, so you’re doing a total disservice to everybody that gets used to being constantly accommodated in this way, because as soon as they get out into the wider world, they can’t cope. Worth remembering too that more or less every phobia treatment involves exposure, not shielding.
The only way, IMO, to get close to a subjective standard (and even here there’s some room for argument) is to go for a system where things that would be considered distressing for most people – either generally or, if in a specific group, then in the particular context of that specific group — get a trigger warning, but other stuff doesn’t. Breastfeeding is not an inherently distressing subject. It’s not RARE to have trauma or sensitivities around it, but it’s also not rare to have trauma or sensitivities around pregnancy, and pregnancy is how literally all of us got here. It’s obscene to impose the need to self-censor on people talking about pregnancy, and also just pragmatically ridiculous.
Someone I know wrote very movingly a while ago on this whole subject, after having suffered several miscarriages in a row (one quite far into the pregnancy) in a desperate bid to have her first baby. She said that at the peak of her misery and anxiety, she would step out of her door onto the busy street, or go for a coffee and look at the waiting queue, or turn on the news and see coverage of various world leaders shaking hands with each other, and every person she looked at, she would get a pit in her stomach and miserably think “you were the result of a successful pregnancy”. She said it was this that made her realise that it could only ever be her responsibility to deal with her trauma, and other people ultimately owed her nothing more than tact, because what can anyone do to accommodate trauma associated with simply seeing other human beings and knowing that they were once successfully brought to term - burn down the entire world?
Breastfeeding falls into a similar category really. There are basically two possible outcomes of forcing constantly cautious discussion of it - either you tabooise it, in which case no mother is really free (and make no mistake - men are not forcing this shit on each other), or, far more likely, it doesn’t really take off as a custom, so you’re doing a total disservice to everybody that gets used to being constantly accommodated in this way, because as soon as they get out into the wider world, they can’t cope. Worth remembering too that more or less every phobia treatment involves exposure, not shielding.
The Yoko Ono of GY
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I was together with a similar character for 6 years. „He’s just more reserved, he can’t show his feelings most of the time(…)“, being in couple’s therapy for years, until he left me at 39 and planning on finally trying for a baby with him, after he had delayed and delayed before.
After 2 miscarriages with my new partner, wish me luck for the future.
I would advise Hannah not to carry on with him always putting the least tolerable effort in the relationship.
Chinese_whispers
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Hannah is one of the only youtubers I don’t think is robbing a wage. She works really hard on what she does and has multiple revenue streams for when it all goes bust. I wish more had her attitude.
Don’t ask why lol but I’ve recently watched a whole backlog of her videos. This stylist has been in a good chunk of her previous ~fashion~ videos and I’m absolutely convinced she hates Hannah and her clothes so much. It’s clip after clip of her being polite about objectively horrible items of clothing haha 🥲
Also just find it a bit inexplicable why Hannah’s focus has been so much on clothes since she quit the sex stuff. She comes across as clueless about very basics and these stylists / random services seem to be doing the real legwork. The sustainability stuff is just mimicked from Leena without any actual substance… idk it all just seems a bit lazy and uninteresting.
Also just find it a bit inexplicable why Hannah’s focus has been so much on clothes since she quit the sex stuff. She comes across as clueless about very basics and these stylists / random services seem to be doing the real legwork. The sustainability stuff is just mimicked from Leena without any actual substance… idk it all just seems a bit lazy and uninteresting.