I have this problem with people who voted for Brexit. I would post something on my feed, they would then pipe up and say something and when I tried to engage with them and explained my opinion was told "you lost get over it". Er mate you commented on MY feed, if you didn't want to engage in an adult discussion don't say anything!Lost another FB friend but gained another friend private messaging me that she also wanted to share support for JK but is too scared.
This is so sad
I'm from Ireland so in recent years we've had the referendums on both marriage equality and abortions rights. I'm unreservedly pro-gay marriage and pro-choice, but I had quite a few friends on FB who were vocally opposite. I heavily disagreed with their opinions but I didn't put my fingers in my ears and go la la la and unfriend them. I'm confident enough in my beliefs that I can defend them, why can't they?
Thank you! It means a lot to be welcome here, I'm so glad this space exists. It's good a couple of your friends have messaged you agreeing - it#s awful that they can't say what they think without fear.Yay glad to have you here! It's extremely comforting to have this space.
Why do they think they deserve to be heard when they say JKR doesn't deserve to be heard? Unlike them she clearly put time and effort into her essay, and it was extremely compassionate and tactful. Everyone else on my FB seems to be too afraid to get involved one way or the other, except for one guy who liked my posts and private messaged me. He's echoing everything we've been saying here. I truly believe most people feel this way but are too terrified to speak up.
They're seemingly unable to comment without being patronising, self-righteous idiots. They have no idea, because it doesn't suit them to know. Just keep spouting platitudes and apologising for the silly hysterical women.I think its disappointing that men are commenting on what is primarily a woman's issue, the discussions being had do not affect men in they way they affect women.
I'm not saying they can't add to the discussion but they have not had the same experiences as women. In the same vein I don't think men should have any say over my reproductive organs and my right to procure an abortion (thank fuck I don't live in the States)
FFS. What marketing manager thought that was a good idea? Sad to see that corporations are jumping on it just to raise their own PR.I literally don’t have any words anymoreView attachment 151112
Delighted to boycott them. Never buying from them again.I literally don’t have any words anymoreView attachment 151112
Aaaayyy!Sending Irish solidarity
It's groupthink at play, this is extraordinarily dangerous. A lot of people are more concerned with appearing "right on"Had to unfollow so many people on Twitter / Instagram who is taking on this extreme rhetoric that is claiming JK Rowling is evil. I am honestly surprised at how extreme some of the people I know are. Can they not see they are causing a problem for biological women?
Yep and NO ONE can have a different opinion, if you do you are a "bitch" "transphobic" etc. It is MAD. I am not enjoying SM right now. It is either posts about BLM/white privilege (which I know are important but it is a lot) OR trans-women/JK Rowling/people being transphobic or covid19. A miserable place right now.It's groupthink at play, this is extraordinarily dangerous. A lot of people are more concerned with appearing "right on"
It's one massive purity spiral. No-one wants to be seen as not singing from the right hymn sheet.It's groupthink at play, this is extraordinarily dangerous. A lot of people are more concerned with appearing "right on"
I think people do it for self-gratification to make themselves feel good that they are posting about it.It's one massive purity spiral. No-one wants to be seen as not singing from the right hymn sheet.
Yeah exactly, "I'm so much more enlightened than you". I still can't get over someone on this very thread being told they were hiding behind feminismI think people do it for self-gratification to make themselves feel good that they are posting about it.
It's virtue signalling of the highest order.I think people do it for self-gratification to make themselves feel good that they are posting about it.
If I was a kid growing up today I think I would’ve been transgender and be on the hormones already! I grew up playing football, hated wearing dresses or makeup, always had messy hair and to be quite honest, I didn’t have any female friends but that wasn’t a problem back then (albeit only 15 years ago). I refused to wear any clothes from the girls section cos I just felt more comfortable in football shirts, joggers and trainers and that was that but nowadays I completely agree it has been massively overblown. If you do anything remotely masculine you are therefore not regarded as a woman anymore and vulnerable young children are now lead to believe that there must be this “misalignment” between their brain and their body and it’s so so harmful it’s actually reversing the old fashioned gender stereotypes women have fought for years to reverse!! I actually think we’re going backwards instead of forwards in society in acceptance of people for who they are and I wouldn’t want my future daughters to grow up in this society. Call me a trans-medicalist but I truly believe that wether you were born a man or a woman you should be free to be as masculine or feminine as you want without feeling the need to change yourself and people who are transgender have a genuine condition where they feel strong dysphoria and distress against their own body which can only be relived by surgery! Sorry for the long rant but I completely understand what you’re sayingJust wanted to post some self reflective ramblings because I’m still reading and formulating my own opinions on this subject so I don’t want to make sweeping statements just yet
But in terms of myself, I feel like gender is a load of bollocks? I was born female, haven’t really questioned it before. I present as a woman because women’s clothes fit better because I’m petite. I don’t wear make up, or style my hair, and rarely wear particularly girly clothes. My interests are gender neutral. Basically I’m trying to say I’m not ‘feminine’ at all in society’s limited sense of the word
Also, I’m not especially masculine and I don’t want to be a man. And declaring myself agender/gender fluid (or whatever term) just seems pointless and I’d hate the attention/questions etc
I did a Google search to find out how to know if you’re cisgender and what seemed to crop up a lot was basically ‘feeling comfortable with your assigned sex’. Do most women feel comfortable with their sex??? Seriously, because even pushing my negative experiences aside, there’s my friends experiences, statistics and research, the whole way women are socialised, our biology meaning we generally suffer more pain. I cannot imagine being comfortable as a female. By this definition, do most women have ‘gender dysphoria’?
Just thinking out loud to be honest
Yes, this is exactly what gives me conflicting feelings because it’s becoming like people aren’t allowed to just be anymore if that makes sense? Like you being a tomboy wasn’t anything more than that and thankfully it sounds like it was never thought to beIf I was a kid growing up today I think I would’ve been transgender and be on the hormones already! I grew up playing football, hated wearing dresses or makeup, always had messy hair and to be quite honest, I didn’t have any female friends but that wasn’t a problem back then (albeit only 15 years ago). I refused to wear any clothes from the girls section cos I just felt more comfortable in football shirts, joggers and trainers and that was that but nowadays I completely agree it has been massively overblown. If you do anything remotely masculine you are therefore not regarded as a woman anymore and vulnerable young children are now lead to believe that there must be this “misalignment” between their brain and their body and it’s so so harmful it’s actually reversing the old fashioned gender stereotypes women have fought for years to reverse!! I actually think we’re going backwards instead of forwards in society in acceptance of people for who they are and I wouldn’t want my future daughters to grow up in this society. Call me a trans-medicalist but I truly believe that wether you were born a man or a woman you should be free to be as masculine or feminine as you want without feeling the need to change yourself and people who are transgender have a genuine condition where they feel strong dysphoria and distress against their own body which can only be relived by surgery! Sorry for the long rant but I completely understand what you’re saying
Exactly that! Dresses and bows are so uncomfortable especially for children and that age they should be running around having fun wearing clothes that feel comfortable to them cos at that age it literally doesn’t matter how you’re dressed and wether you fit these ridiculous stereotypes because you’re just a child having fun at the end of the day! Children especially under the age of 10 are far too young to be thinking that they are transgender or if they were born in the wrong bodyYes, this is exactly what gives me conflicting feelings because it’s becoming like people aren’t allowed to just be anymore if that makes sense? Like you being a tomboy wasn’t anything more than that and thankfully it sounds like it was never thought to be
I have a daughter, she’s only 18 months old so doesn’t have much self awareness yet but I feel strongly about raising her without judgement after being raised by sexists myself. From day one people were pressuring me to put her in uncomfortable and impractical dresses and bows and I just thought fuck this... now she wears what she wants, plays with what she wants. I feel fiercely protective of her childhood and feel like it’s only a matter of time before she starts noticing gender stereotypes and letting them get in the way of who she is
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