Gender discussions

[Zenchick101]

I would feel sad for my child if they were trans because their life would be more difficult than if they were not but I would 100% be on board with it if (after in-depth therapies and assessments) they wanted to transition to live a happy life, I wouldn’t find it odd or weird. And that transition would entirely depend on what they felt comfortable with and once all risks had been weighed up.

Like with the rest of the LGBT community, I believe that is how people are born and they can’t help it so if I had a genuinely trans child I’d support them in and way possible.



As I said above, I believe this is how people are born - it is not their choice to be trans. I’m sure the majority of trans people given the choice would never have chosen this life for themselves for how difficult it can be and the abuse they have to endure. You could be confused because, if you haven’t experienced dysphoria yourself it might be difficult to understand but I think saying you are not “on board with it” suggests you wouldn’t support your child.

See I get that but the more I look into it to see different people's perspectives and experiences the more I have doubts/questions for example if I could be assured my child was 100% trans and understood the life altering decison I'd be on board even though I'd still be sad, for the reason I previously mentioned. However when I see someone explain on reddit that they're a feminine Gay man and that they wanted to be trans because of abuse inflicted on them by men, relatability to women and I quote "encouraged in therapy to transition". I have serious questions about the TRA movement and how extreme it's gotten. Not to mention the other reasons that have been mentioned on here,twitter,reddit and other forums

Like Emilia Duscado(getting the last name wrong) is one transwomen who's identity I doubt based on actions. How can this person be a woman if they would remove the sex parity law in NYC political positions? a law that's been around for over 100 years I believe. Someone who's american would know more about this, but how can you affirm you're a woman when you advocated and removed a law that assured women equal participation in politics ? Make it make sense.

I used to think "live and let live" they identify as women but are biologically males, eh they're not hurting anyone why do I get to tell them how to be comfortable and live their lives. But now it's gotten out of control and there are too many things that don't add up and are crazy.

There's a reason why there's a growing opposition to this amongst people who previously had no issue with it. I think anyone who's blindly following this like the nutjobs on twitter needs to ask themselves what it is.

I don't know how many more times this can be said on the thread- gender dysphoria is a genuine condition (though rare). Someone who has it should be supported as much as possible (as with any illness/ condition). The problem is, the new trans umbrella can now mean pretty much anything. Men in a dress/ cross dressers can call themselves trans women.

when I was growing up men in drag and transvestites were still understood as men who like to fluctuate/expirement with gender roles and now most are being called women?? make it make sense. GD is a real thing but now every dude who sometimes like to wear panties calls himself a woman. Oh and the testimonies of some who "want to transition but don't want to lose male privelege/dont want to go from a hot guy to an weird girl" make no sense. Yes you want to be attractive I get that but if you deeply identify as a women and are uncomfortable in your male body should the risk of oppression and being weird really be a possible detractor from you transitioning and living your most authentic life?

 

[Vee6]

I think GD is very real for a small number of people and they just want to feel comfortable and get on with life and should be supported in doing so.

But I think there is another group that would previously have been called cross dressers/transvestites and for them dressing as a women is a fetish. And that’s fine until they want to start going into women’s single spaces. Their voices are the loudest and doing damage to genuine transgender people and women and girls.
when you see it you can’t unsee it.

in regards to children. I will love my children no matter what, their happiness is the most important thing to me. And if one day they show signs of GD that doesn’t change how I feel about them at all. However if they started saying it after this frankly scary grooming that is going on in schools then I would question if it was genuine and not the script they have been given to follow from school.

 

[Zenchick101]

I think GD is very real for a small number of people and they just want to feel comfortable and get on with life and should be supported in doing so.

But I think there is another group that would previously have been called cross dressers/transvestites and for them dressing as a women is a fetish. And that’s fine until they want to start going into women’s single spaces. Their voices are the loudest and doing damage to genuine transgender people and women and girls.
when you see it you can’t unsee it.

in regards to children. I will love my children no matter what, their happiness is the most important thing to me. And if one day they show signs of GD that doesn’t change how I feel about them at all. However if they started saying it after this frankly scary grooming that is going on in schools then I would question if it was genuine and not the script they have been given to follow from school.

this!

 

[Meh]

Neither me or the other poster said we would give hormones to a child - that isn’t even legal or possible to do in this country. Talking therapies and assessments would be part of treating any gender dysphoria before even thinking about any treatment (which would begin once they are older and is a very lengthy, difficult process on the nhs).

We were simply saying if a person cannot accept a child who is genuinely trans or feel like they couldn’t be “on board” with it/find it odd then we think that’s really sad.

I appreciate it is a difficult process to go through on the NHS and for people with GD that must be hellish for them and their families. However, I do believe it kind of needs to be a longer process to go through therapy and all the other stages before reaching transitioning/hormones. A lot of TRA community are calling for expedited processes and essentially fast tracking these services. For very young people. I don’t know how right that is.

The difficulty is trying to find the balance of how society protects people with GD, supports them to begin the journey to feeling security and safety in their own skin versus protecting impressionable youngsters who do not have GD making decisions that have long term consequences.

Just going to state this before anyone jumps on it: I do not believe that people without gender dysphoria are fully trans.

I believe they may sit in the umbrella of cross dressing, gender play, fetishists. All of which are genuinely cool with me; you do you. I have an issue when these people are enabled to claim they are women and exactly the same as bio/trans women. And demanding the same access and rights as women.

I imagine I will be classed as transphobic for this belief. Interestingly, a lot of prominent trans figures have difficulty accepting GD is optional in trans diagnosis.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

@Meh I couldn't agree more. I naively assumed that trans was shorthand for transsexual, it's only when I read into the modern trans ideology that I realised how low the bar is set for someone to be called trans- I'd be fine to live and let live but when fetishists/ cross dressers, etc, are expecting to be seen the same as women and demanding access to our spaces, then nope I am not okay with that

 

[Meh]

@Meh I couldn't agree more. I naively assumed that trans was shorthand for transsexual, it's only when I read into the modern trans ideology that I realised how low the bar is set for someone to be called trans- I'd be fine to live and let live but when fetishists/ cross dressers, etc, are expecting to be seen the same as women and demanding access to our spaces, then nope I am not okay with that

That’s exactly it.

I honestly have no issues whatsoever with men enjoying cross dressing. I don’t. I’ve never batted an eye lid. However, when a (predatory) cross dresser (again, not all!) is using the modern trans ideals to manipulate systems and gain access to women/women’s spaces, and they get some creepy thrill from doing so. Then nope, I’m not okay with that.

One of the most frustrating aspects of this is that, no matter how nuanced the conversation, no matter how much research, thought and reflection a person puts into this area if anyone disagrees with the “narrative” then they are...

fragile feminist... TERF... TRANSPHOBE... hater... should be cancelled... should not be mothers...

Sigh.

 

[Zenchick101]

That’s exactly it.

I honestly have no issues whatsoever with men enjoying cross dressing. I don’t. I’ve never batted an eye lid. However, when a (predatory) cross dresser (again, not all!) is using the modern trans ideals to manipulate systems and gain access to women/women’s spaces, and they get some creepy thrill from doing so. Then nope, I’m not okay with that.

One of the most frustrating aspects of this is that, no matter how nuanced the conversation, no matter how much research, thought and reflection a person puts into this area if anyone disagrees with the “narrative” then they are...

fragile feminist... TERF... TRANSPHOBE... hater... should be cancelled... should not be mothers...

Sigh.

sigh indeed. Don't forget the intense threats and the violence towards people who are perceived as such. I've never seen another group advocate this much violence for people who are "against them"- most "TERFS" aren't at all from what I've seen. Never seen LGB folk advocating for violence against people who are against them because of religion for example, I'm for BLM in part because because of that also. I disagree with a lot of people on so many issues I'm passionate about do I threaten them with all sorts of malice? no.

 

[Uninteresteduna]

When people criticising us for not accepting trans kids it’s rubbish. Think the majority of us would. However, we’d also want to explore other options and help them love the biological bodies they were born with and not feel the need to conform to gender stereotypes and it’s ok to be same sex attracted.

 

[jewelkitty]

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or I read it somewhere else so sorry if I'm repeating, but does anyone else remember when being bisexual was a huge trend in school? I'm 27 and I remember it being such a fad. It was the cool thing and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon. Some people probably did genuinely mistake themselves for being bi because maybe they thought their friend was hot or something. Of course some of them actually were bi but soooo many realised they were indeed straight by the time they finished school. I'm worried trans is the new bi but unfortunately this could cause more damage than kids thinking they're bi (again, of course some of these kids are genuinely trans).

 

[Zenchick101]

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or I read it somewhere else so sorry if I'm repeating, but does anyone else remember when being bisexual was a huge trend in school? I'm 27 and I remember it being such a fad. It was the cool thing and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon. Some people probably did genuinely mistake themselves for being bi because maybe they thought their friend was hot or something. Of course some of them actually were bi but soooo many realised they were indeed straight by the time they finished school. I'm worried trans is the new bi but unfortunately this could cause more damage than kids thinking they're bi (again, of course some of these kids are genuinely trans).

yeah I have an inkling of that having been a thing

 

[openbook1]

Can't remember if it was mentioned here or I read it somewhere else so sorry if I'm repeating, but does anyone else remember when being bisexual was a huge trend in school? I'm 27 and I remember it being such a fad. It was the cool thing and lots of people jumped on the bandwagon. Some people probably did genuinely mistake themselves for being bi because maybe they thought their friend was hot or something. Of course some of them actually were bi but soooo many realised they were indeed straight by the time they finished school. I'm worried trans is the new bi but unfortunately this could cause more damage than kids thinking they're bi (again, of course some of these kids are genuinely trans).

Yes I remember that. I never got into it but many people I know said they were bi and well, now they are not.
A friend of ours daughter who is a teen came out as trans and gender fluid...how are those two things even possible at the same time? It seems contradictory.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Coming out as gender fluid is just narcissistic IMO- gender bending has been around for yonks and no one ever had to make a song and dance about it. It's like coming out as a goth or something. I wonder how many teens will look back and cringe

 

[Zenchick101]

hey if anyone wants to look on twitter for a laugh I promise it's worth it.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

hey if anyone wants to look on twitter for a laugh I promise it's worth it.

I had to delete the Twitter app from my phone. Couldn't handle the squawking

 

[openbook1]

I had to delete the Twitter app from my phone. Couldn't handle the squawking

I need to unfollow so many people that have fallen for the extreme trans movement.

 

[Bae56]

Some fun facts.

This is in Scotland.
Labour govt supporting that babies should be born without assigned sex.
Civil service avoiding using the word women when referring to “menstruating.”


The Scottish govt also are trying to pass self ID - someone could claim they're the opposite sex without any medical/psychological assessment.

I'm good with trans men/women. All for it & supportive but babies being born without assigned sex is wrong. I don't see how assuming they wouldn't want to acknowledge the sex they're born with is any different. It's like the anti pink brigade. They're never anti blue. If you have a baby girl you shouldn't dare dress her or her nursery in pink! She might not identify as female but yellow or blue is okay as we're safe to say she might identify as male or they

It is only those born with female reproductive organs who menstruate. That's a step too far. I seen that diagram someone posted, they are erasing us!

That ID proposal could come with all sorts of problems & dangers.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Those cards for when someone has a new baby "it's a girl", what will they be replaced with if Labour is successful in babies being born without an assigned sex? "it's a human baby that hasn't decided what it identifies as yet?" This madness needs to end

 

[Bitofthebubbly]

Coming out as gender fluid is just narcissistic IMO- gender bending has been around for yonks and no one ever had to make a song and dance about it. It's like coming out as a goth or something. I wonder how many teens will look back and cringe

Coming out as a goth could you imagine if that was a thing.

I do remember the bisexual trend at school. I wasn’t part of it but a few other kids were who later turned out not to be bi. Whilst I know a fair few people who came out as bi later in life who were never part of the ‘trend’ back in the day. I remember questioning my sexuality for a while but never ‘came out’ as anything because it didn’t make sense to unless I was sure. Kids do love a trend though.

Those cards for when someone has a new baby "it's a girl", what will they be replaced with if Labour is successful in babies being born without an assigned sex? "it's a human baby that hasn't decided what it identifies as yet?" This madness needs to end

”congratulations it’s assigned Male/female!*” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.


*subject to change

 

[rosemarina]

So stupid, anyway. Sex is observed, not assigned.

 

[openbook1]

Saw this shared online. Lol. duck off.

It’s Time for the Endometriosis Community to Drop Gendered Language — The Endometriosis Network Canada

“Hey Ladies...” “Endo Sisters…” “Question for you gals…” Hands up if you’ve started or participated in a conversation in an online support group with one of those phrases. While the intent may not be to make others feel excluded, words can and do have the ability to exclude.

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