Perhaps I am being naive and someone can educate me - what is the issue with toilets and changing rooms?
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Have you read this thread? That would be a start
Sure - I wouldn’t comment on a thread without reading.Have you read this thread? That would be a start
My point is...we don’t all need to agree on any particular issue. But there are some comments which are fact and we need to incorporate into our understanding.
Personally, I was born into a body with female physical characteristics and also identify as female. Has anyone checked my chromosomes? Nope. But I’ve produced two children so can safely assume that my body developed down the XX axis.
I’ve used men’s toilets many, many times in the past - the cubicles are often empty and the queue is way shorter!
Would I feel safe with ‘males’ (and please interpret this term however you feel suits your current level of understanding) in the same bathroom or changing room? Yes. No problem. Do I feel unsafe in regards to sexual predators roaming the streets? Occasionally, especially if I am alone, particularly at night.
On the flip side, I find it incredibly jarring to read that all trans individuals can be described in any one particular way - being trans doesn’t develop positive character traits, or negative traits. It is an alignment of your physical body with how you identity in your mind. We are all individuals and should be accepted as that.
Western cultures are quite unusual in accepting gender as binary - there are many cultures that have three or more accepted genders. It doesn’t need to affect your own personal views.
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Well in that case I don’t understand why you’re asking the question. If you’ve read this thread and you still don’t understand the myriad reasons why women don’t want male bodied people in their toilets and changing rooms, I don’t think I can help you.
Okay good for you. However please consider that 1) men might not appreciate you in their single sex spaces and 2) many women feel uncomfortable with men in their single sex spaces because this is proved to be a higher risk. If you've read the thread you'll have seen that just under 90%of complaints regarding sexual harassment and assaults are in unisex facilities. 66% of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and swimming pools are in unisex changing facilities however unisex changing facilities make up less than 50%. 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
Single sex spaces are legalised in the Equalities Act for a valid reason.
Thanks for sharing the data - those really are shocking statistics
I wonder what the likely progression of this will be - perhaps more individual cubicles, which might pushed forwards due to social distancing legislation
You don't know why people object to "cis"? Because it's bull, that's why. There are two sexes/genders - male and female, determined by X and Y chromosomes. They do not need to be quantified or qualified. Anyone who decides, for whatever reason, to transition to the opposite sex/gender to what they were born is a "transgender man/woman", anyone else is a man or a woman. Simple enough?
I’ve seen this argument rolled out before - “how many of us really know our chromosomes?!” It’s not a very clever argument. You know what your chromosomes are because your genitals developed either one way or the other in utero, and then your biological sex was observed at birth. There is no need to check chromosomes.
The world isn’t full of undiagnosed intersex people. Intersex isn’t the the same as transgender anyway.
Intersex conditions are very very rare, and it’s equally rare for them not to be diagnosed at birth (Caster Semenya, 800m athlete and XY chromosomes, is the exception to the rule, but CS was born black and poor in apartheid South Africa, so you can understand how that might have happened). So yes, I think we all DO know our chromosomes because that is almost never up for debate. There are not scores of people in the world walking around blissfully unaware that their chromosomes are wonky.
An interesting point to consider here is androgen insensitivity syndrome - XY chromosomes but lack of (or issue with) testosterone receptors causes the body to develop down the ‘female’ path in utero.
Ps. No mention of intersex here
John Cleese is talking about it on twitter. Notice he doesn’t get any threats and abuse
We really need an eye-roll reaction here! Of course he's bloody not.
He seems very switched on. He's asking what appear to be innocent questions, but ones that poke devastating holes in trans theory.
Did anyone watch Newsnight?
Yes! The wheel are falling off now. Mermaids next!!
I didn't watch it, but I've just read a summary of the programme here.
NHS child gender clinic: Staff concerns 'shut down'
Leaked transcripts show staff say they were discouraged from raising concerns at NHS child gender clinic.
www.bbc.co.uk
It's shocking, I work in the NHS myself and safeguarding is drummed into us really thoroughly as it's such an important topic. Training in safeguarding is mandatory for all staff, regardless of whether they are clinicians, and it is everyone's responsibility. Personally, if I reported safeguarding concerns that weren't acted on I would escalate it. However, I'm not dependent on my job for my living but the vast majority are and I can understand why others would be put off escalating their concerns if they felt their career and livelihood was on the line.
Just reading John Cleese's tweets... they are great! He is saying what many of us are thinking and saying more than JKR said yet not getting backlash.
I hope the light keeps shining on Mermaids and its grooming of vulnerable children. There’s been some talk on Twitter today of children being told to use email addresses not shared with parents, and to accept calls from withheld numbers. So shady.
Also read this amazing piece from Julie Bindel back in 2007. The last paragraph is as true today as it was back then. Well worth a read.
"If we allowed people to be as they wish, whether that is a man being camp and feminine or a woman butch and unadorned," says Claudia, "then the need to chop up healthy bodies to achieve that acceptance would diminish".
Also read this amazing piece from Julie Bindel back in 2007. The last paragraph is as true today as it was back then. Well worth a read.
"If we allowed people to be as they wish, whether that is a man being camp and feminine or a woman butch and unadorned," says Claudia, "then the need to chop up healthy bodies to achieve that acceptance would diminish".
Totally random but tonight a Tweet popped up in my timeline about men wearing crop tops. The initial Tweet said something along the lines of ‘men should wear crop tops more often’; someone I follow had liked another user responding in a defensive way saying that he’d worn one last week and got harassed by a man. He made several more Tweets ranting about this
On one hand I thought fair enough. The user was a gay man, there was obvious homophobia to him being harassed. Regardless of anything, people should feel safe enough to wear what they want in public. I do support him
But it does highlight privilege. As a woman, I’ve been street harassed even while wearing jeans and a big coat. We don’t have to dress flamboyantly to attract negative male attention (though God help us if we do). We don’t have the option of throwing on some boring clothes to ensure we don’t get harassed. No matter what we do, just by being female we are ‘inviting attention‘
Just made me feel a bit sad really
On one hand I thought fair enough. The user was a gay man, there was obvious homophobia to him being harassed. Regardless of anything, people should feel safe enough to wear what they want in public. I do support him
But it does highlight privilege. As a woman, I’ve been street harassed even while wearing jeans and a big coat. We don’t have to dress flamboyantly to attract negative male attention (though God help us if we do). We don’t have the option of throwing on some boring clothes to ensure we don’t get harassed. No matter what we do, just by being female we are ‘inviting attention‘
Just made me feel a bit sad really
I finally decided to post on my insta and a person i know who is trans, messaged me calling me transphobic.
she has around 25k followers on her account, and she posted a screenshot of our conversation on her stories. She didn’t take my account name away from it.
it was a perfect moment for her to give me more information on why it’s wrong when I say sex is binery and gender is non-binary. Instead she chose to be a bully.
she has around 25k followers on her account, and she posted a screenshot of our conversation on her stories. She didn’t take my account name away from it.
it was a perfect moment for her to give me more information on why it’s wrong when I say sex is binery and gender is non-binary. Instead she chose to be a bully.
This is all too common unfortunately. Women being silenced and bullied
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