Gender Discussion #98

[petitspois]

I feel sick. That poor female hotel worker who got murdered by a male "asylum seeker"

This government is willfully putting women and children at risk. There's been rapes, and murder. All directly because we are letting men in whose cultural norms regarding treatment of women DOES NOT ALIGN with the freedoms our women the past 200 years have fought for.

And it seems the stock answer of these rapists and murderers is 'i didn't think it would be wrong' And Starmer is still trying to convince us there is nothing to see here.

There's actually such a hotel in my city centre and it's right near the main shopping centre carpark. I used to walk on foot near there as well, but you know what, I simply will go somewhere else to shop (the nearest out of town retail park). My city centre is one of the UK's most diverse but it looks so run down and full of men.

That poor woman just doing her job

So as women we can't run at night from our own men (by that I mean raised here, any race), we get paid less, not taken seriously by the NHS, etc, and now we are getting grape and assaulted and murdered by unchecked amount of men from abroad who are brought up hating women.

I agree completely. I can’t see why they are so committed to staying silent and turning a blind eye. Yes, these people are more likely to vote Labour when they become citizens but is that worth setting us back 200 years?

 

[LanyardedHeretic]

It was Nietzsche who said that about Christianity being the religion of slaves and women. He classed Christianity as part of the 'slave morality' he condemned as opposed to the strong with a will to power, like the ancient Greeks and Romans he had a constant hard-on for.

Nietzsche had some proper beef with St Paul, who he thought twisted Christianity until it was the opposite of what Christ intended. I have to say, I 70% agree with him - not fully, but 70%. Paul was a cultural elite and he instituionalised Christianity and added a bunch of stuff to make it acceptable. Christ's teachings were proper revolutionary. Paul's were the same old patriarchy.

Christ's teachings are highly pro-woman. Who were his closest disciples? Mary Magdalen, Mary & Martha. Who was given the privilege of being the first to learn of his resurrection? Mary Magdalen. Who gets the most authorial respect in the New Testament? His mum.

Also, the first and most generous financial backers of Christianity were rich Hellenistic women. Christ's Christianity is defo a religion of strong women. But Paul took it and put the patriarchy back in.

Nietzsche is the guy who said "God is dead" but he didn't mean it triumphantly. He thought it was a really duck-up to kill God, because it meant that we would now have no forgiveness and empathy, and we would be stranded without a unifying moral code. And I think that is exactly what has happened. And we've been tossing around desperately trying to find a replacement belief ever since (Communism, facism, environmentalism, trans...none of it's worked as well as Christianity did! How much have we regressed since we killed God? We've been bleeping idiots!)

I still get bleeping chills when I read Nietzsche's prophetic lament:

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"​

Have you read Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth? I'm only a few chapters in, but this is exactly what he's talking about. Western culture is a long-dead story we are telling ourselves, and we are living in the hollowed out memory of it. Cultures have risen and fallen throughout human history in similar patterns, so in a way it's a comfort to know that this is the same pattern. But it isn't fun to be living in the time of ruin.

Worth a read. Trans is a part of the Machine, but not the only part.

 

[moldwarp]

Have you read Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth? I'm only a few chapters in, but this is exactly what he's talking about. Western culture is a long-dead story we are telling ourselves, and we are living in the hollowed out memory of it. Cultures have risen and fallen throughout human history in similar patterns, so in a way it's a comfort to know that this is the same pattern. But it isn't fun to be living in the time of ruin.

Worth a read. Trans is a part of the Machine, but not the only part.

No but thanks to your recommendation I'm about to head over to Amazon to buy it!

 

[LanyardedHeretic]

I'd be interested in your take!

 

[moldwarp]

I'd be interested in your take!

I'm on an Asbridge & Tyerman jag atm cos I can't get enough of that sweet sweet Templar action. But I love a good cycles of history read, so when I'm done besieging Acre with Richard Lionheart I'll be right with ya

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Thank you for this - I haven't time to watch it now, but I certainly will.

Watched it - excellent clarification of Christian faith (as opposed to Christian fairytale)

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Was scrolling on instagram and saw this video by an OBGYN about the damage Lupron does to teenagers put on it for endometriosis. All the comments are agreeing with her about the harm it does and what an awful class of drugs they are, anyone whos sharing their experience have only ever taken it a few months. Imagine the pile on there would be if she said they shouldn't be used for puberty blocking. One of the most frustrating things about TRAs is their insistence that puberty blockers are a pause button with no harm attached

Good message - but why is she videoing it in. her camisole? It just seems very inappropriate when she is delivering a message as a professional. I'm not saying she should be wearing a white coat and a stethoscope, or waving a speculum about, but a proper blouse/ shirt/ jumper would be much more fitting.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Have you read Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth? I'm only a few chapters in, but this is exactly what he's talking about. Western culture is a long-dead story we are telling ourselves, and we are living in the hollowed out memory of it. Cultures have risen and fallen throughout human history in similar patterns, so in a way it's a comfort to know that this is the same pattern. But it isn't fun to be living in the time of ruin.

Worth a read. Trans is a part of the Machine, but not the only part.

Thank you - I haven't read it, but will see if I can get hold of a copy. It sounds interesting.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

I guess the trouble is the Bible (and any other holy book) is completely open to interpretation… if women aren’t classed as people then “love your neighbour as yourself” only applies to men.

I watched a really interesting video where a man was talking to his MAGA parents and they could not reconcile their beleifs with that of the bible, despite being 'christians'. He read to them a number of passages which were along the lines of 'love thy neighbour' 'treat the poor well' 'treat women and those fleeing domestic violence in other words, well etc'

and their first question was 'are they here illegally?' he said 'doesn't matter, bible tells you you should treat all equally' and they still couldn't get their heads around it. They were going 'are they illegals?' and he kept calmly going 'irrelevant, are you a Christian or not?' and it was clear to me that whether they had realised it or not their faith was to Donald trump now, and they were no longer god-fearing.

I just thought it was so interesting how some people cant see how far from their religion they have come. Be that MAGA mentalists or misogynistic muslims.

 

[petitspois]

A lot of people are really really thick.

 

[VC10]

I feel sick. That poor female hotel worker who got murdered by a male "asylum seeker"

This government is willfully putting women and children at risk. There's been rapes, and murder. All directly because we are letting men in whose cultural norms regarding treatment of women DOES NOT ALIGN with the freedoms our women the past 200 years have fought for.

And it seems the stock answer of these rapists and murderers is 'i didn't think it would be wrong' And Starmer is still trying to convince us there is nothing to see here.

There's actually such a hotel in my city centre and it's right near the main shopping centre carpark. I used to walk on foot near there as well, but you know what, I simply will go somewhere else to shop (the nearest out of town retail park). My city centre is one of the UK's most diverse but it looks so run down and full of men.

That poor woman just doing her job

So as women we can't run at night from our own men (by that I mean raised here, any race), we get paid less, not taken seriously by the NHS, etc, and now we are getting grape and assaulted and murdered by unchecked amount of men from abroad who are brought up hating women.

It makes my blood boil.

 

[VC10]

I agree completely. I can’t see why they are so committed to staying silent and turning a blind eye. Yes, these people are more likely to vote Labour when they become citizens but is that worth setting us back 200 years?

And that's exactly why they want they here.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

A lot of people are really really thick.

And they have the vote.

 

[chizontiz]

And they have the vote.

I’ve been binging KJK recently and I’m becoming convinced that the trans ideology that kids can consent to life ruining and barbaric surgeries, and now lowering the voting age (though tbf I don’t know the latest discourse on that) is some kind of unconscious (though deffo conscious for some) plot to bring the age of consent down. My algorithm is pilling me yo ‍‍‍

 

[BlairWaldorf86]

There’s an article in the Telegraph about Keira Knightley’s response to the JKR question, does anyone have an archive link please? It’s called “Keira Knightley has just shown how the trans mob can be beaten’

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Keira Knightley has just shown how the trans mob can be beaten

archived 16 Oct 2025 12:26:21 UTC

archive.is

Too short!

 

[Laylaybelle]

The trend is well and truly over. My son who's well into the gay 'scene' (to the extent that gay clubs exist anymore, sadly) says that in 2020 - 2023, loads of his circle were identifying as trans/NB but almost all of them have detransed / dropped it and these days he and his friends just kind of roll their eyes at each other now.

The whole "if your person transitions then you're no longer a gay man, you're straight and with a REAL woman" was a proper peak event for him. He found it incredibly insulting.

The only one he knows who is still clinging to trans is a TIM who went down the hormones route, so this person kind of has too many sunk costs to back out now. And that I think is going to be the problem in society more widely - yes the trend is over but we will be left with young people who irreversibly altered their bodies and have permanent disabilities from it. And those people will, rightfully, be extremely angry. And they're going to need help and care. This is a societal issue that we will all have to grapple with.

Sounds like an odd comparison but it always pops in my head. Remember about 10-15 years ago everyone was in to ear stretching? A friend of mine works in an aesthetic clinic repairing them back to regular size after the trend finished
Sadly I don’t think it’ll be so easy to fix the body modifications trans people have gone through.

 

[maytoseptember]

I’ve been binging KJK recently and I’m becoming convinced that the trans ideology that kids can consent to life ruining and barbaric surgeries, and now lowering the voting age (though tbf I don’t know the latest discourse on that) is some kind of unconscious (though deffo conscious for some) plot to bring the age of consent down. My algorithm is pilling me yo ‍‍‍

Right there with you. So much of this stuff is about questioning consent and the age at which a child can consent. And, as an inevitable result, access to children.

Whether it’s queer theorists trying to disrupt the notion of family or family relationships, and theorising that childhood is a social construct, whether it’s activists saying that toddlers know their gender identity and puberty blockers are essential care (bonus points for those eternally childlike bodies and brains) whether it’s high profile TRAs being unmasked as child sex offenders again and again and again… how can you not notice the link?

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Right there with you. So much of this stuff is about questioning consent and the age at which a child can consent. And, as an inevitable result, access to children.

Whether it’s queer theorists trying to disrupt the notion of family or family relationships, and theorising that childhood is a social construct, whether it’s activists saying that toddlers know their gender identity and puberty blockers are essential care (bonus points for those eternally childlike bodies and brains) whether it’s high profile TRAs being unmasked as child sex offenders again and again and again… how can you not notice the link?

Absolutely!

If young children can decide to irreversibly intentionally damage their bodies with drugs and/or surgery, then how can you argue that they can't "consent" to anything and everything else?

This is a PDF's wet dream come true.

 

[devonport123]

A part of the issue for me is religion.
I'm an atheist (or mostly humanist) and just cannot abide by restrictions forced on people, mostly women, in the name of what is essentially a book of fairy tales.
Sorry if that description upsets anyone, but to roughly quote Ricky Gervais, there are 100s of different gods and I just believe in one less than some people.

Absolutely spot on